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steventrain		#1 Posted : 25 November 2011 19:02:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,697 Location: United Kingdom		Please vote Yes or No to buy the Donald Duck.
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petestra		#2 Posted : 25 November 2011 19:07:17(UTC) Retweet
You have been a member since:: 27/07/2009(UTC) Views messages in topic : 5,862 Location: Leesburg,VA.USA		Hi Yes vote for me, as a retired Lufthansa employee I rode it 5 or 6 times and always loved that ride up and down the Rhein. Peter
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5HorizonsRR		#3 Posted : 25 November 2011 19:10:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,991 Location: CA, USA		I'll refrain from voting as I don't typically buy german prototype anyways, but I'd for sure prefer the yellow version (which inevitably has to be coming)
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Western Pacific		#4 Posted : 25 November 2011 19:15:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/09/2009(UTC) Posts: 841 Location: Lidingö, Sweden		I voted NO, since there was no Don't know and it is very unlikely that I would buy it. Somewhere in here somebody wrote that the price would be over € 700.- and I'm not sure I want to spend that amount of money on such an odd train, which also was a sort of a failure in 1:1. It was built for TEE, thus being first class only, and it was launched realatively close to the replacement of TEE trains buy IC trains and thus making this train type redundant (and obsolete).
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Nielsenr		#5 Posted : 25 November 2011 19:29:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/10/2010(UTC) Posts: 883 Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL		Voted no ... doesn't do much for me ... would need to see it when finally produced and would still probably prefer to put my $$ for something on my wish list ... Robert
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Webmaster		#6 Posted : 25 November 2011 19:29:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,165		A no from me - too modern for my way of trains...
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H0		#7 Posted : 25 November 2011 19:32:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,460 Location: DE-NW		I voted yes because I'm interested. The price is not yet known, but I think I won't pre-order it. Might get one later (new or second hand) for a reasonable price (I'm afraid the RRP will be beyond my limit). The Insider Model shows the train as it was in use from 1973 through 1979 while IC trains were first class only. That's a short time only, but that's true for other trains, too - Senator, 42.90 Franco Crosti, 05 003, ... I once had a ride on such a train in that livery, therefore I am interested.
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pab		#8 Posted : 25 November 2011 19:36:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 2,764		I won't buy the insider 2012 trainset. It's not a steamer. It's not era 3. So I voted NO.
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klarinettmeister		#9 Posted : 25 November 2011 20:56:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 811 Location: Kirseberg		I voted no with the same reasons as Robert. I´d rather put my money on something else. There are alot of models that are still on my wishlist.
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Sergi		#10 Posted : 25 November 2011 21:48:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/12/2007(UTC) Posts: 13 Location: Barcelone, Spain		I won't buy it. Sincerely, this model has disappointed me. I buy all the Insider models, but this time I'll save the money...
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Bigdaddynz		#11 Posted : 25 November 2011 22:04:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,776 Location: New Zealand		Bad luck Sergi, you must have quite a collection of Insider Models then! Welcome to the forum. I won't be buying it, and as others have said, I too would rather buy something else. Like finding a Brawa 40207 Br06, since Marklin did not produce the Br06 as this year's Insider model, despite it being one of the more popular requests (Br58 being the other).
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Webmaster		#12 Posted : 25 November 2011 22:07:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,165		If not many are getting this model, then it should be a fireproof addition to the pension plan for collector value...
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sudhir36		#13 Posted : 26 November 2011 00:46:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/01/2011(UTC) Posts: 93 Location: Richmond		Definite Yes!!!!!!!!!! Maybe Marklin might introduce a steamer as a second model........but the model looks good in Insider News...........
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mike c		#14 Posted : 26 November 2011 01:20:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,243 Location: Montreal, QC		A little surprising since Rivarossi has released an updated version of the ex-Lima model and LS Models has announced both the "Donald Duck" and "IC" liveries in exact scale 1/87. The LSM model will be available in both AC and DC. I never saw the ET 403 in person. I did see photos and postcards of it when I was in Europe in the mid-1980s. I prefer the black/white/red "IC" version to the gray and yellow Lufthansa "Donald Duck" Airport Express livery. The ET 403 was a stepping stone in the development of German trainsets and as such, it merits inclusion in the catalog. If Maerklin is going to make such a model, it may be worthwhile to do it in metal, like the VT11 (602) and the RAe Gottardo. I was anticipating the exact scale ICE 1 (Trix) which was cancelled. A model of that trainset was also announced by LSM in 2011, so that will be another model where Maerklin/Trix has lost a sale. http://www.railfaneurope...Duesseldorf_Hbf_1991.jpg Original IC Livery: http://www.railfaneurope...istoric/403/403000cs.jpg Regards Mike C
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I_love_Marklin_37538		#15 Posted : 26 November 2011 03:10:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/09/2008(UTC) Posts: 957 Location: ,		No it does not look appealing,if it was a steamer then yes
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kimballthurlow		#16 Posted : 26 November 2011 07:23:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,764 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Originally Posted by: mike c A little surprising since Rivarossi has released an updated version of the ex-Lima model and LS Models has announced both the "Donald Duck" and "IC" liveries in exact scale 1/87. The LSM model will be available in both AC and DC. I never saw the ET 403 in person. I did see photos and postcards of it when I was in Europe in the mid-1980s. I prefer the black/white/red "IC" version to the gray and yellow Lufthansa "Donald Duck" Airport Express livery. The ET 403 was a stepping stone in the development of German trainsets and as such, it merits inclusion in the catalog. If Maerklin is going to make such a model, it may be worthwhile to do it in metal, like the VT11 (602) and the RAe Gottardo. I was anticipating the exact scale ICE 1 (Trix) which was cancelled. A model of that trainset was also announced by LSM in 2011, so that will be another model where Maerklin/Trix has lost a sale. http://www.railfaneurope...Duesseldorf_Hbf_1991.jpg Original IC Livery: http://www.railfaneurope...istoric/403/403000cs.jpg Regards Mike C Hi, Thanks for the Poll, Stephen. And thanks for the cogent comments, Mike. As Tom and Leitner pointed out in the "Insider 2012" topic, the six choices by the Insider Club members as possible models, were "E 95, V 320, streamlined BR 06, powered rail car class 403 (era IV), BR 58, ET 30. One of these six will be the Insider model in 2012". So ET403 was a very popular choice. So Marklin chose ET403, and it will be in metal. Scale "about 1:93.5" (from the 6/2011 Insider News). That is a distinct marketing difference to those put out by Rivarossi (ex Lima) and LS. As Leitner said, "Marklin have the know-how", and as Mike says, ".... metal, like the VT11 (602) and the RAe Gottardo". The poll here, while interesting, represents opinions of those generally whose native language is not German. Like other polls, it does not represent the opinion of the majority of Insider members. (From another post recently, over 80,000 members a few years ago, in Germany alone). regards Kimball
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mjrallare		#17 Posted : 26 November 2011 10:42:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 563		Money saved also for me. I was very surprised to see this loco so high ranked in the vote. It must have more to do with "feelings" than "looks" (IMHO). But all Insider-locos can't be era III and steamers... /Torbjörn
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jonquinn		#18 Posted : 26 November 2011 17:29:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,591 Location: Pennsylvania		no for me. I have the older Lima version, and that's fine with me. (lufthansa version-yellow/white). I doubt it would get much in resale, as I didn't pay that much for it on ebay anyways.
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xxup		#19 Posted : 27 November 2011 01:52:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 9,601 Location: Australia		I'm in.. I like it and besides FD likes variety (not another red and black steamer - she says)... The Thalys, flying hamburger, ICE, red arrow and the blue glass car are all on the shelf layout at the moment.. era star trek..
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seatrains		#20 Posted : 27 November 2011 04:29:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/11/2006(UTC) Posts: 676 Location: Shoreline, WA		always a big fan of multiple units, but would like to see it with this custom paint job,See link: http://www.bahnbilder.de...nsa+Airport+Express.html LOL..
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Armando		#21 Posted : 27 November 2011 06:06:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/07/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,358 Location: Houston, Texas		Hi all, Even if it's not the insider model that I would've hoped to see this year, I will buy it nonetheless. Why? Well, because despite not being to correct H0 scale, it's still made of metal and it will have sound and light functions. I also like the colour scheme, and the streamlined shape of the head. And lastly because it's an insider model.
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I_love_Marklin_37538		#22 Posted : 27 November 2011 10:08:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/09/2008(UTC) Posts: 957 Location: ,		Originally Posted by: seatrains always a big fan of multiple units, but would like to see it with this custom paint job,See link: http://www.bahnbilder.de...nsa+Airport+Express.html LOL.. LOL what happened to that image on the News from Marklin area
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steventrain		#23 Posted : 27 November 2011 10:56:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,697 Location: United Kingdom		Please note the scale Insider 2012 ET403 is 1:93.5.
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Weltenbummler		#24 Posted : 28 November 2011 21:03:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 459 Location: Berlin (D)		Like I wrote it in different other threads regarding the ET 403 Donald Duck. For me it's a YES and a MUST HAVE. Can't stand the old steamers as insider models and am happy I get something I like this time. First insider model to buy for a long long time. Just checked, at lerast none bought since 1999
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Piggy		#25 Posted : 28 November 2011 21:09:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/05/2009(UTC) Posts: 590 Location: Sydney		I voted yes, this model will fit perfectly in on my layout. The question now is if I'll be able to afford it next year.
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alonso231gery		#26 Posted : 28 November 2011 23:45:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/08/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,959 Location: Hellas (Athens)		I believe it is a good notion that M keeps creating new models although this model is a bit surrealistic.
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kimballthurlow		#27 Posted : 29 November 2011 01:11:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,764 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Originally Posted by: Weltenbummler Like I wrote it in different other threads regarding the ET 403 Donald Duck. For me it's a YES and a MUST HAVE. Can't stand the old steamers as insider models and am happy I get something I like this time. First insider model to buy for a long long time. Just checked, at lerast none bought since 1999 Hi Thomas, It appears that amongst German speaking Marklinists, this model will be sought-after. Am I correct in this assumption? Do your German Marklinist friends feel the same as you do? regards Kimball
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sebastian		#28 Posted : 29 November 2011 01:37:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2007(UTC) Posts: 729 Location: Ontario		I voted no. This is not something which interests me at all. That doesn't mean I am disappointed or fed up with Marklin. Marklin has to cater for a wide range of customers. And as such, for 2012 this has been assigned as the Insider model. While I will take Marklin's side and say not every year is a Steamer Insider year, I am not getting next year's model. There are so many other locomotives which I really desire, I am not worried even one bit that I will not have plenty of choices to spend my money on, next year. At least I can concentrate on what's missing and not on the new stuff.
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shannon		#29 Posted : 29 November 2011 02:26:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/01/2005(UTC) Posts: 353 Location: Taipei,		I think ET403 is more beautiful than any other railcar else built from DB since it appearred but I voted " no " cause it is not Lufthansa coating and is not correctly scaled. I can wait for white-yellow one.
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Bigdaddynz		#30 Posted : 29 November 2011 02:38:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,776 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: shannon I think ET403 is more beautiful than any other railcar else built from DB since it appearred ..... To me (being an outsider, i.e. outside of Germany), I think the VT 08, the SVT 137 and the VT 11.5 Railcars are far more elegant looking than the ET403. I have all of those other railcars, but as previously stated, I won't be getting this one. However, I certainly will look forward to pictures from those of you who do get it, and the relating of your experiences with it.
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Weltenbummler		#31 Posted : 29 November 2011 10:23:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 459 Location: Berlin (D)		Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Originally Posted by: Weltenbummler Like I wrote it in different other threads regarding the ET 403 Donald Duck. For me it's a YES and a MUST HAVE. Can't stand the old steamers as insider models and am happy I get something I like this time. First insider model to buy for a long long time. Just checked, at lerast none bought since 1999 Hi Thomas, It appears that amongst German speaking Marklinists, this model will be sought-after. Am I correct in this assumption? Do your German Marklinist friends feel the same as you do? regards Kimball Hi Kimball, cannot say yes or no Even in Germany the opinions on the ET 403 go both ways. Just talked to a few friends about the insider model and about 2/3 were happy about the choice. But I would not say that this is represantativ for all German speaking Marklin lovers. Regarding steamers I might be one in a thousand who feels about it this way.
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Frankenbahner		#32 Posted : 29 November 2011 11:05:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 625 Location: Nuremberg, Bavaria		I voted No. It's quite expensive (too expensive), and there are too many other models on my wishlist. Regards, Florian
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H0		#33 Posted : 29 November 2011 12:07:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,460 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Frankenbahner It's quite expensive (too expensive) AFAIR I haven't seen any price information from Märklin. I presume it's gonna be expensive (with 2 motors) but I don't know yet how much it will cost. Do you know or are you only guessing?
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Bigdaddynz		#34 Posted : 29 November 2011 13:24:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,776 Location: New Zealand		I think Steventrain may have said it will be 799 Euros. Originally Posted by: steventrain I think the ET403 price too high, I think it is 799 Euro.
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Frankenbahner		#35 Posted : 29 November 2011 13:45:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 625 Location: Nuremberg, Bavaria		I read about these 799 € here. But even if it's not an official information, and if the model won't cost that much - it's not one my particular wishlist items, as there are still a few ohter items I'm planning to buy (as well as there is still some analog stuff waiting for decoders). Regards, Florian
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H0		#36 Posted : 29 November 2011 14:00:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,460 Location: DE-NW		RRP for BR VT 08.5 (#39081) is EUR 599.95, RRP for BR 601 (#37607) is EUR 799.95. Both are four-piece trains, the former with one motor, the latter with two motors. So the price for BR 403/404 may well be in the range EUR 599.95 through EUR 849.95. But no official price known yet, only speculation.
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RayF		#37 Posted : 29 November 2011 16:05:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,871 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		I'm not very interested in railcars, prefering loco hauled trains any day, but anyway in this case I think the Br 403 is really ugly. It's a definite no from me!
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kimballthurlow		#38 Posted : 30 November 2011 05:02:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,764 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Originally Posted by: Weltenbummler Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Hi Thomas, It appears that amongst German speaking Marklinists, this model will be sought-after. Am I correct in this assumption? Do your German Marklinist friends feel the same as you do? regards Kimball Hi Kimball, cannot say yes or no Even in Germany the opinions on the ET 403 go both ways. Just talked to a few friends about the insider model and about 2/3 were happy about the choice. But I would not say that this is represantativ for all German speaking Marklin lovers. Regarding steamers I might be one in a thousand who feels about it this way. Hi Thomas, Thanks for the reply. No doubt it was a new experience for many German travellers, and so fits the ideal as a model from Marklin. Their Insider poll confirms that. I like it. regards Kimball
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TimR		#39 Posted : 30 November 2011 17:04:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,752 Location: Jakarta		Actually I think the ET 403 though somewhat an "ugly duckling" looks quite ok and distinctive. it's probably time that Marklin offered this model, though I don't believe such a model should be overdone with metal body and two motors ... I prefer a cheaper model with plastic body, and a single centrally mounted motor.. from Insider's club point of view, every once in a few years, they had went sideways with trainsets like VT08 and VT11. some people might actually be looking forward for a break from having the annual "steamer" insider every year.. The point is, no guarantee that as an Insider you'll always get a model that you'd like. I'm sure as consolidation reward, they'll probably offer a new steamer tooling for everybody next year.. (probably a long awaited NEW decapod) so noone's missing out on anything, really.
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MarioFabro		#40 Posted : 30 November 2011 18:05:00(UTC) Retweet
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