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Hi all, The Insider model will be announced later this year (probably in November). Known so far are the Top 6 from the Insider model poll last year: "Baureihe E 95, Baureihe V 320, Stromliniendamplok Baureihe 06, Triebwagen ET 403 Donald Duck, Dampflok Baureihe 58 und Triebwagen ET 30." Source: http://www.stummiforum.d...pic.php?p=694817#p694817Translation: E 95, V 320, streamlined BR 06, powered rail car class 403 (era IV), BR 58, ET 30. One of these six will be the Insider model in 2012 (and I presume the others will follow in later years). |
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I think we'll see or the ET403 or the ET30 for two reasons. The first is that the other lok are yet made by Brawa and they're of really good quality. And than because for a model like the ET30 Marklin own yet the know-how thanks to the VT08... |
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BR 403 has been made by Lima, BR E 95, BR V 320 and BR 06 have been made by Brawa - and still they are among the Top 6 favourites of the Märklin Insider Club members.
I have no inside information, but I presume these four models will come in the next seven years simply because they are the favourites of the club members.
Märklin put them on the list knowing that others had made them before - and the members gave their votes knowing that they had been made before. And if the members now put their money where there vote is, this will work out fine for Märklin.
The question is: in which order will they come. |
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Thanks for the info Tom! Fingers crossed for the BR 58. Seems to me as awkward models some of the others. Maybe I should have voted...  /Torbjörn
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BR58 is indeed my favorite among these too - in DRG livery, then... They've made it in 1 & Z gauge - time to fill the gap IMHO... Got a Fleischmann BR55 years before it was introduced by M, have avoided to buy an F BR58 in hope of a forthcoming M version... |
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Hi,
The E95 looks to have the same wheel arrangement as the recently announced E17.
Except that the E95 is articulated.
Also, as Juhan has pointed out, they have already made the 58 in 1 gauge.
The Marklin TV recently said that with the new CAD system, it is much quicker to get a model into production, regardless of scale.
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Originally Posted by: H0  Hi all, The Insider model will be announced later this year (probably in November). Known so far are the Top 6 from the Insider model poll last year: "Baureihe E 95, Baureihe V 320, Stromliniendamplok Baureihe 06, Triebwagen ET 403 Donald Duck, Dampflok Baureihe 58 und Triebwagen ET 30." Source: http://www.stummiforum.d...pic.php?p=694817#p694817Translation: E 95, V 320, streamlined BR 06, powered rail car class 403 (era IV), BR 58, ET 30. One of these six will be the Insider model in 2012 (and I presume the others will follow in later years). Tom, Many years ago, a German friend young son asked me when I exhibited my layout at the German Club in Perth, do I know a train referring to the Donald Duck (grey colour) and have I got a model of this train, I said: No, such trains in this coulor exists. It is still in my mind today thinking about it sometimes, he was right, he most probably travelled on it, because of his age (around 8) he didn't pursue the issue. I noticed Lima made one many years ago. I may add this to my Airport express fleet. I have also noted, each carriages had a motor and because of this the ICE 3 took on the the same Class number. Another unique feature was the leaning technique in curves. It was commissioned in 1973 and in winter 1974-1975 came into service, it only lasted for 4 years. The train had a 4 carriage configuration the main route was between Munich - Bremen Lufthansa bought the train in 1982 and used it in their service (increased the configuration to 5 carriages and also as coupled units. it was also used on the left Rhine route for the tourist trade but was not used on short routes, maximum speed 200km/h and it needed a good track system (hence the restrictions of routes) It was used into the 1990's until they've found corrosion on the aluminium body. So if you order one, look out for zinkpest John John |
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz I'd be in with a grin for a Br06!  The class 58 would be my 2nd choice.  I always had a soft spot for the BR 58 John |
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Originally Posted by: Leitner I think we'll see or the ET403 or the ET30 for two reasons. The first is that the other lok are yet made by Brawa and they're of really good quality. And than because for a model like the ET30 Marklin own yet the know-how thanks to the VT08... Off topic: How come you avatar shows the years 19008-1962, just curiosity John Edited by user 18 September 2011 07:22:58(UTC)
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They are the "serial number" (19008) and the year of construction (1962) of the V200 116... But actually i've that avatar because i like the Krauss Maffei Logo. :) |
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Originally Posted by: Leitner They are the "serial number" (19008) and the year of construction (1962) of the V200 116... But actually i've that avatar because i like the Krauss Maffei Logo. :) Off topic: When was the company established ? |
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Maffei was founded in 1838, Krauss Co. in 1860, they merged in 1931. |
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Hi all,
Even though pure speculation, I would both hope and put my money on the BR 58. Firstly because this model offers a wide variety of possible liveries, including era I (An era which lacks any new toolings for almost two years, with the blue Badische steamer 39021 being the most recent). Moreover, Märklin must be in possession of a lot of information on the prototype, given that the BR 58 is already being produced by Märklin for years in other scales (Z, 1).
I'll keep my fingers crossed for sure... ;)
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Bah! humbug!!  I want a BR56, the same as they have done in 1 gauge  Mike (sadly lacking in BR56's) 
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.... Internet.... Stummi forums....I haven't seen any list from the manufacturer, I'm still searching for it.... 
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Originally Posted by: jeehring .... Internet.... Stummi forums....I haven't seen any list from the manufacturer, I'm still searching for it.... The image of the list of new Insider modell 2012
List of the insider modell 2012
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I am interesting in BR06 or BR58 for 2012 Insider. |
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I hope the Insider model will be the Donald Duck.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DB_Class_403BR58 should made it into production as a regular bread-n-butter model. (We should get a minimum of one new tooling steamer every year!) |
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Originally Posted by: vilithejou I think that of 15th of this month we know the answer, it's the day that begins Kolnmesse It starts on November 16 this year - but without IMA (that was in Göppingen this year). Märklin will be at Faszination Modellbau, Friedrichshafen (04.11. - 06.11.2011) - maybe they'll reveal the model then. |
Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS |
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It would be good if someone could make a BR 57 (prussian G10). Can't believe no one has (in AC anyways) given how many were made. |
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Well I don't mind if they make the Donald Duck, it will save me buying the Insider model next year   |
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I agree with Glen, the "Donald Duck" is definitely horrible. |
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Same for me : Ugly...definitely ! I 'm just wondering what credibility have those Insider Polls ...and the publishing of the results ! Will Marklin officially announce to other manufacturers what are the favorite models expected by 3 railers ...really ?....  May be once, one from the list from time to time...to fudge the issue , or, as we say in French : " noyer le poisson dans l'eau " ("to drown the fish - into water")... Edited by user 04 November 2011 13:52:33(UTC)
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Can we have an EMD F7 this time?   Dreams.
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Originally Posted by: Leitner I agree with Glen, the "Donald Duck" is definitely horrible. Originally Posted by: steventrain Lima made class 403 Donald Duck, Not interesting. Originally Posted by: jeehring Same for me : Ugly...definitely ! I can't say that it gets me too excited! Quack Quack!
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If the Koln messe started on the 16th, was the 2012 Insider not released?
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Originally Posted by: minirail If the Koln messe started on the 16th, was the 2012 Insider not released? Not there yet. I will check Insider club and will let you know soon. |
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Reply from insider Club.
'we will send the news of the insider model in magazine no. 06/2011, We ask you to be patient for a little while.'
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Originally Posted by: minirail If the Koln messe started on the 16th, was the 2012 Insider not released? Koelnmesse is the exhibition hall at Cologne. The IMA is at Cologne in even years only (2012 they'll probably announce the 2012 model at Cologne). Latest information say that the next Club News will reveal the Insider model (and not any earlier). Somebody told me it is not a steamer. I cross my fingers for the Diesel loco ... |
Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS |
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Question for anyone,
Here in the USA the steam engines are classified by the wheel arangement.
So this engine would be called a 2-10-0.
Are there any German engines that would have been 4-10-4 or 2-10-2 or
what is the largest wheel arrangement that has ever run in Germany and that Marklin has a model?
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Originally Posted by: H0 Somebody told me it is not a steamer. Really?? Surely Marklin know by now that steamers are the models that sell. Of course, there are usually more than one Insider loco per year, maybe one will be a steamer of some sort, and the other a diesel or electric.
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Originally Posted by: Loadmaster Question for anyone,
Here in the USA the steam engines are classified by the wheel arangement.
So this engine would be called a 2-10-0.
Are there any German engines that would have been 4-10-4 or 2-10-2 or
what is the largest wheel arrangement that has ever run in Germany and that Marklin has a model?
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Rob The German class 45 is of a 2-10-2 wheel arrangement, biggest freight steamer they made. The German class 05 is a 4-6-4 wheel arrangement and one of the biggest designs. It broke the land speed record. |
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There also is class 06 (4-8-4, axle configuration 2' D 2'), the strongest German passenger train locomotive - the Märklin model is a 4-6-4 though.
And then there is class 59.0 (2-12-0, axle configuration 1' F) - not really big, but six powered axles are rare. |
Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS |
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Originally Posted by: applor Originally Posted by: Loadmaster Question for anyone,
Here in the USA the steam engines are classified by the wheel arangement.
So this engine would be called a 2-10-0.
Are there any German engines that would have been 4-10-4 or 2-10-2 or
what is the largest wheel arrangement that has ever run in Germany and that Marklin has a model?
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Rob The German class 45 is of a 2-10-2 wheel arrangement, biggest freight steamer they made. The German class 05 is a 4-6-4 wheel arrangement and one of the biggest designs. It broke the land speed record. I'm sorry but not The largest is 2-12-0, a K series of Wutt. Märklin references: 37059-37058-37057-37056-37055 So beautiful lok with and excellent lok, specially 37059, 37058 |
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Originally Posted by: vilithejou The largest is 2-12-0, a K series of Wutt. The wü K, later BR 59.0 has a total length of 20200 mm and 1920 PSi. The BR 45 has a total length of 25645 mm and 3020 PSi - the literature says it's the strongest German freight locomotive. The wü K was the strongest locomotive of the "Länderbahnzeit" (the pre-DRG era). |
Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS |
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Originally Posted by: vilithejou
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So beautiful lok with and excellent lok, specially 37059, 37058
And also lately, the 37054 in the Bellingrodt series. A very rare wheel arrangement, but it is the "largest" on the criteria of number of driving wheels. regards Kimball |
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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow A very rare wheel arrangement, but it is the "largest" on the criteria of number of driving wheels. BR 96.0 or bay Gt 2x 4/4 (0-8-8-0 or D'D) beats it in that aspect. The BR 96.0 had an operating weight (Lokdienstlast) of 131.10 metric tons and 1470 PSi - Europe's strongest and largest tank locomotive when it was built. The BR 85 (1' E 1' or 2-10-2) looks less impressive, but has an operating weight of 133.60 metric tons and 1500 PSi. |
Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS |
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Thanks Steven, when is the 6th issue due to be published?
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Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow A very rare wheel arrangement, but it is the "largest" on the criteria of number of driving wheels. BR 96.0 or bay Gt 2x 4/4 (0-8-8-0 or D'D) beats it in that aspect. The BR 96.0 had an operating weight (Lokdienstlast) of 131.10 metric tons and 1470 PSi - Europe's strongest and largest tank locomotive when it was built. The BR 85 (1' E 1' or 2-10-2) looks less impressive, but has an operating weight of 133.60 metric tons and 1500 PSi. Yes Tom, true. Driving wheels on a rigid frame would be the criteria. regards Kimball |
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Originally Posted by: H0
Somebody told me it is not a steamer.
I am only interesting in steam. |
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I want a BR58 in DRG livery - now!  |
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I'm not interested in era II steamers (might make an exception for a streamlined 4-8-4 though).
So Märklin cannot make all people happy with a single Insider model. |
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I told you already : a Diesel machine ! VT 92 or V 320 both are OK for me, but it will be a V 320  ...with a tremendous sound . (to boost the new range of Marklin sound-decoder)
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Would still prefer a BR58... |
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Originally Posted by: Webmaster Would still prefer a BR58... Ditto here.  |
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Wilfried : no,... it was a digression... Only official info from Marklin must be taken into account...
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