Hi Mike, all,

I agree with you that that combination would look good. I searched for relevant images that showed this combination but was unable to find any that suggested this has indeed been done.
Not much help, but fwiw I would run this combination even if it weren't true to prototype as it it would look very powerful pulling a longer freight train.

Regards,
Oliver

Thanks Guus. Good video. Buying all these waggons will cost a fortune.

dave

Guus,

my question referred to the Re 4/4II in the first (prototype) cargo livery with the various shades of green and white paint with SBB CFF FFS Cargo "We Go Logistics", the Swiss crest removed from the front and the large lok number painted in it's place.

http://www.maerklin.de/d...etails.html?art_nr=34345

I have the 37320 (Era IV 1980), the Hag Re 10/10 Set (Re 420 + Re 620) SBB Cargo Red/Blue (post 2002) but was wondering about a matching Re 4/4II to run with the 37322 for the period 1999-2001. I also have the Roco 69847 with a red Re 6/6 and Re 4/4III 11350 (ex-SOB 41) which depending on Revision dates could be suitable for 1996-2003. I had not been initially been planning on using the Roco locomotives as a multiple unit, as I was going to use the Re 4/4III with a postal train and the Roco Re 6/6 with a FS EC consist.

I found it rather curious that so far all but one of the photos of the "Cargo" Re 4/4II 11276 were in passenger use. I guess that it may be due to the fact that the fleet was only divided between Passenger and Cargo divisions a few years later and the loks may simply have been assigned as needed within each depot zone. Hopefully Stefan or one of the other Swiss members can enlighten us on this.

Regards

Mike C

I received some information from a similar post in one of the other forums. The Re 4/4II 11276 was painted in the green livery on 19.11.1999 and ran until 25.10.2002 when it was repainted in the current SBB Cargo blue and red livery. The formal assignment of loks to the passenger and freight divisions of the SBB occurred on Sept 1, 1999. 11276 was assigned to the freight division. Why almost all of the photos show it performing passenger operations is a mystery. It would have been possible for (Re 4/4II) 11276 to have been assigned to a Re 10/10 consist with (Re(f) 6/6) 11666. The revision dates on both loks would be suitable for the period late 1999 to 2002.

I did find photos of the similarly painted Re 6/6 with red or green Re 4/4II or Re 4/4III, but that wasn't the combination that I was interested in.

I guess other prototypically correct Maerklin Re 10/10 combinations involving Re(f) 6/6 11666 would include the following:

29859.2 Re 4/4II 11376 (Cargo Division 01.09.1999 Today Re 421 376): http://www.railfaneurope...c/Re421/376-381/CFF1.jpg
3434/3734 Re 4/4II 11162 (Cargo Division 01.09.1999-31.12.2005 Today red livery with rectangular headlights Passenger Division): http://www.juergs.ch/bahn/vorbild/sbb/re420.html (Select 11162)
34341/37341 Re 4/4II 11294 (Cargo Division 01.09.1999 Today red livery with rectangular headlights)
37356 Re 4/4II 11239 (SBB Cargo since 31.12.2003)
34344/37344 Re 4/4II 11252 (SBB Cargo since 31.12.2003)
37320.2 Re 4/4II 11319 (Cargo Division 01.09.1999 Today red livery with rectangular headlights)
26534 Re 4/4II 11332 (Cargo Division 01.09.1999 Today red livery with rectangular headlights)

It has happened infrequently that Re 421 37345 (Re 421 397) and 29482/29483 (Re 421 374) have been used in Re 10/10 combination, but this would also be a possibility.
RM Re 436 were for a while leased by SBB Cargo for use with Re 10/10 consists, but AFAIR not since the loks were repainted in the Crossrail livery as released as 37346.1

I have not included the loks from the 37342 Set due to incorrect features on the model (railings).

The only Maerklin Re 4/4II that has since 1999 been exclusively used by passenger division is 37343 Re 4/4II 11161, but that model represents the TEE livery from the period 1969 to 1981. The lok was repainted in SBB green in 1981 and remains one of the few Re 4/4IIs still in the original green colours as can be seen here (with new headlights and UIC handrails): http://www.finnmoller.dk...l-ch/sbb-re4-4-11161.htm

I guess that it would be nice if Maerklin would produce a model of a Re 4/4II in red that is currently assigned to the passenger division as well as a Re 420 (original domestic version) or even a Re 430 (Re 4/4III) in Cargo livery.
A set with 2 Re 420 in the new LION livery and a reissue of the double deck coaches from the 28505 Set might also be an interesting set. I would also like to have a SOB Re 4/4III (42-44) (1985-1996), maybe in a set with 2 lightsteel coaches painted in the SOB green/beige livery.

Regards

Mike C

Lutz,

we have been doing so well for quite a while now, that there should be no need for the attitude in your post. I did report that most of the photos of the Re 4/4II 11276 showed it in passenger operations. I was not aware that this lok had any specific equipment that other or some Re 4/4IIs did not have. Maybe some of the forum members would like to know more about this model and not just a hint of "mystique?" about it.

You refer to the 37342 as having the correct "Re 420" handrails. I was specifically referring to the horizontal handrail under the windows, which was incorrectly rendered on the production model from Maerklin. Comparing this, or making allusions to the diagonal UIC handrail, which is more prototypical on the Maerklin model than on Hag models is misleading and it does not change the fact that Maerklin incorrectly used the chassis of a Re 421 with this shortened handrail instead of a Re 420 (Re 4/4II) to produce this model. As far as their revision dates, I don't think that there was any plan by Maerklin to correct these models.

If somebody wanted a model of a Re 4/4II to go with their 37322 Re(f) 6/6, would they not be better off going for one of the correct models than going for one with a blatant production error?
It is nice to see that LS Models announced that they will be issuing replacement shells for 47214 and 47231 models just because they omitted to include a minor detail (rain gutter above the doors) on one side of the model. That is customer service, which seems to be lacking in case of Maerklinisms.

I think that my post above provided a pretty good overview of which Re 4/4IIs could be combined with the 37322 to make a Re 10/10, so if you want to elaborate on this, feel free, but do it in a helpful way.

One last thing, it was very nice to hear that you were able to have a "nice conversation". Too bad that it doesn't occur here more often.

Regards

Mike C

Those YouTube videos by Overhaulin27 are very nice. I also like the productions of www.reos.nl see: http://www.re-os.nl/preview-en.html for some snippets that can be viewed on PCs. (wmv files open with windows media player).
I do not know if Macs have the ability to view these files.

Regards

Mike C

The "We go Logistics" livery involved a myriad of different shades of green, which was very expensive to paint. As a result, the administration of SBB Cargo decided it would be cheaper to introduce a new livery and the red/blue livery was introduced. The large "Cargo" lettering is quite a recognizable logo that differentiates those loks from other operators.

I guess that the debate about new liveries will be active this year as the first Re 420 in the new "LION" livery go into service. I wonder if all Re 420 in passenger operations will eventually be "Lionized"
Swiss train fans and modellers are a passionate lot.

I am sure that "We go Logistics" also served to raise the blood pressure of English teachers living alongside lines where so lettered locomotives regularly passed by.

Regards

Mike C

Hi Guus,

guess why I wrote this (latest when you see my different Re10/10 pictures, you'd surely see which combinations are more and which ones are less "appealing"?



Yes, but since we're here in the model train (HO) section, this is not really relevant for the model(s); detailed discussions about prototypes can be better discussed in the designated forum section https://www.marklin-users.net/forum/yaf_postst20492_SBB-Re10-10.aspx. The prototypes existed and operated in that livery in any combination for almost three years and there is no reason whatsover not to do the same with the corresponding models (at least by customers who have the models).


Yes; this was clear to me right from the beginning (I guess we share a number of similar or same information sources ). I recall having seen this combination during one of the exciting Swiss Collection journeys which Märklin Switzerland conducted together with the intro of their models; unfortunately -or better luckily- I was sitting in the train which prevented me from taking a (good) picture.

I clearly pointed out that whatever might have be used in prototype operations - regardless of it being explicit "proven" - should not avoid a model train enthusiast from composing his own train compositions, based upon the material s/he personally has.
Over many years have numerous own taken pictures of any kinds of Re10/10 combinations (including those two "special" Re420 cargo's, and even that is just a very minor snapshot of all such trains consists in daily operation on Swiss rails.

Knowingly I do have the double set #37342 like many other happy owners; both of my models are equipped with the correct hand rails - I/we even got this nice SBB waggon for free in addition as a courtesy from Märklin (http://www.maerklin.de/de/service/suche/details.html?art_nr=48055) - and as said, the revision dates on both models perfectly match that of this Re6/6 as well - thus it would be just stupid not to use them or discourage their usage, even for that combination.

Simply compose your trains according to your own desires or imaginations; it can never be wrong for this hobby!

Regards,
Lutz

Hi Lutz,




Starting with a quote of the last sentence from your post, I'd like to say I could not agree more and I thank you for your extensive reply.

Most of my trains are probably not entirely prototypically correct, however the trains I have satisfy my imagination of what a Swiss or a German train would look like in reality.

That said, over the years I've gained more knowledge of Swiss train compositions for a large part thanks to Mike's postings on that subject.

I've found that sometimes with a little more effort one can build a model train that resembles the real thing in more detail.