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RayF		#1 Posted : 29 September 2011 09:53:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Hi people, Now that I am happy to have one of these locos at last, I have been comparing my 37912 to previous Marklin red versions of this loco. The original 3089 has black smoke deflectors and red wheels: The later 33911 had red deflectors and black wheels: The current version, 37912, has red deflectors and red wheels: Which of these is correct to the prototype? Or were all three seen at different times? Or are they all fantasy? I would be interested to know if anyone has an answer to this.
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mvd71		#2 Posted : 29 September 2011 10:35:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/08/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,919 Location: Auckland,		Dunno Ray, But apparently the really attractive blue one that I bought that was a one time only in 94' is completely wrong. I'm told (by Tom I think) it was pure Marklin fantasy! Never mind, they're still nice anyway Cheers... Mike.
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H0		#3 Posted : 29 September 2011 11:00:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,443 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: RayPayas Which of these is correct to the prototype? Or were all three seen at different times? Or are they all fantasy? According to a poster from Stummi's Forum, they are all fantasy (red, blue, green). https://www.marklin-user...ostst17052_BR-03-10.aspx BR 05 was red. It seems the latest 03.10 is painted like the 05, so the livery is authentic (but not for this mould).
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Bigdaddynz		#4 Posted : 29 September 2011 11:01:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,771 Location: New Zealand		Hard to say from the only decent photo I could find of the Br03.10 Streamlined http://www.dbtrains.com/...omotives/epochII/BR03.10 And then there is the green Polish version, that Ray posted a picture of in this thread - https://www.marklin-user...aspx?g=posts&t=17052
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kimballthurlow		#5 Posted : 29 September 2011 12:27:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,764 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Hi, My 37914 is painted black, black wheels, and a silver and purple stripe and insignia of the Atlantic Coastline Railroad back in the USA. (Their diesels were painted purple and silver at the time). Apparently, this was a real scheme, used by occupation railroadmen after 1945 on one loco. No doubt with the assistance of the fine DR employees of the time. regards Kimball
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H0		#6 Posted : 29 September 2011 13:23:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,443 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Apparently, this was a real scheme, used by occupation railroadmen after 1945 on one loco. No doubt with the assistance of the fine DR employees of the time. Yeah. M* used the correct loco number on the box (03 1004), but not on the loco (03 1060). I can live with that.
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RayF		#7 Posted : 29 September 2011 14:32:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		How about this one? RayF attached the following image(s):
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mattj70		#8 Posted : 30 September 2011 08:48:22(UTC) Retweet
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mvd71		#9 Posted : 30 September 2011 10:13:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/08/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,919 Location: Auckland,		If all the paint schemes are fantasy except the black one, then why do Marklin produce them in all these other colours? Mike.
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jvuye		#10 Posted : 30 September 2011 11:28:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/03/2008(UTC) Posts: 2,883 Location: South Western France		Originally Posted by: RayPayas How about this one? Thank you Photoshop!
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jeehring		#11 Posted : 30 September 2011 12:26:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		....we have to be careful with all those comments from web forums ...and Stummi forum is far to be an absolute reference...
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Bigdaddynz		#12 Posted : 30 September 2011 12:39:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,771 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: RayPayas Or are they all fantasy? Dunno for real, but it sure is a nice fantasy!
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RayF		#13 Posted : 30 September 2011 12:57:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		It is interesting that if I google for "DRG 03.10", and then switch to 'images', therre are no less than nine photos from my own layout on the first page of images displayed!
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Bigdaddynz		#14 Posted : 30 September 2011 13:52:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,771 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: RayPayas It is interesting that if I google for "DRG 03.10", and then switch to 'images', therre are no less than nine photos from my own layout on the first page of images displayed! Yeah, I noticed that
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H0		#15 Posted : 30 September 2011 19:29:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,443 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: jeehring ....we have to be careful with all those comments from web forums ...and Stummi forum is far to be an absolute reference... Do you have better information? Andreas Knipping writes in his book "Album der DRG-Lokomotiven" that there is no sufficient clue that class 03.10 ever operated in another colour than black. (It seems some were painted grey for the picture at the factory but that's a different story as they didn't operate in that livery.) And I don't see any other clues on any web forum. All colour pictures show 'em in black. B/W pictures don't help much. There were two streamlined 05s and one streamlined 03 in red, but that's a different class.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
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RayF		#16 Posted : 30 September 2011 19:36:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: jeehring ....we have to be careful with all those comments from web forums ...and Stummi forum is far to be an absolute reference... Do you have better information? Andreas Knipping writes in his book "Album der DRG-Lokomotiven" that there is no sufficient clue that class 03.10 ever operated in another colour than black. (It seems some were painted grey for the picture at the factory but that's a different story as they didn't operate in that livery.) And I don't see any other clues on any web forum. All colour pictures show 'em in black. B/W pictures don't help much. There were two streamlined 05s and one streamlined 03 in red, but that's a different class. Hi Tom, I'm intrigued! Which is the streamlined 03 that belongs to a different class? Do you have a picture, or a reference I can read?
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H0		#17 Posted : 30 September 2011 21:17:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,443 Location: DE-NW		"Class 03" is short for "class 03.0-2" and is the two-cylinder predecessor of class 03.10. 03 193 was streamlined, red - and jumped in for 05 001/2 when they were in service. Pictures: http://www.microfeinmech...9fd07224fcf086d8e949.jpg http://loco.skyrocket.de/img/drg_03_193.jpg Same tender as 05 001/2, but apart from the axle configuration it has not much in common with Märklin's 03.10.
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kimballthurlow		#18 Posted : 30 September 2011 21:41:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,764 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Here is a different slant on these musings. It is a bit like the Borsig 53 class (Marklin 37022), which never existed in real life, but was certainly planned. Marklin justify their model on this basis. Directives from DRG head office about colour schemes would give Marklin justification for painting models, even if the colour was never applied. Perhaps even correspondence about future paint schemes, particularly a corporate "colour" proposal. The Marklin 3748 electric 70 21 is a good example. A circa 1947 directive from HQ in Bavaria went out to paint the loco blue, but in reality was never applied. Marklin model is blue. regards Kimball Edited by user 01 October 2011 05:10:11(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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jeehring		#19 Posted : 30 September 2011 21:43:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: jeehring ....we have to be careful with all those comments from web forums ...and Stummi forum is far to be an absolute reference... Do you have better information? Andreas Knipping writes in his book "Album der DRG-Lokomotiven" that there is no sufficient clue that class 03.10 ever operated in another colour than black. (It seems some were painted grey for the picture at the factory but that's a different story as they didn't operate in that livery.) And I don't see any other clues on any web forum. All colour pictures show 'em in black. B/W pictures don't help much. There were two streamlined 05s and one streamlined 03 in red, but that's a different class. "Andreas...no sufficient clue..." "No sufficient clue" doesn't mean that it didn't exist...From Him it only means that there is not a color photo ...today. If my memory serves me correctly, few machines - may be only one - have been wearing a blue livery for a while ...(reports) The light grey color was a light coat for showing the machine to public & media but...they were bearing this livery also when pulling train in scheduled service because they didn't repaint it immediately just after the show....In fact machines stayed like that until the first planned normal overhauling...
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H0		#20 Posted : 30 September 2011 22:13:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,443 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: jeehring If my memory serves me correctly, few machines - may be only one - have been wearing a blue livery for a while ...(reports) Sure there was a streamlined loco in blue: http://lh5.ggpht.com/-4I...Foto31_01%2525201102.JPG AFAIK this is a creation of era V (and there were plans to make a black 1:1 crocodile in era VI). Are there clues for blue DRG locos of era II? Or red class 03.10 locos in era II?
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kariosls37		#21 Posted : 30 September 2011 23:43:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 1,067 Location: Auckland, New Zealand		To add to the "grey livery" It was common for manufacturers to paint one or two new engines of a class in what was called "photographic grey" Normal, more glossy paints don't register very well on black and white photographs. To get a nice photo that could be used on publicity pamphlets ect. a loco would be painted in water based shades of grey. These paints were matt, so reflections didn't cause any problem. These photos could then also be coloured in for publicity purposes. In service, the water based paints quickly washed off, revealing the loco's proper coat of paint. The photo of the 03.10 that is posted above looks suspiciously much like such a photo, with the light coloured ballast and white background, and the loco looks quite matt for a new engine.
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Osterthun		#22 Posted : 08 October 2011 21:21:54(UTC) Retweet
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Jeremy Palmer		#23 Posted : 08 October 2011 21:35:38(UTC) Retweet
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Webmaster		#24 Posted : 08 October 2011 21:45:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,165		Frits, you are missing a couple... I don't have the "USTS" one (last pic) but I have all other color versions, I think, including photogrey and olive green...
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Osterthun		#25 Posted : 08 October 2011 22:45:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2001(UTC) Posts: 111 Location: Netherlands		Quote: you are missing a couple... Hi Juan, you're absolutely right about that, since I have not had the occasion of shooting them myself. You mean 33912 and 33913 PS: My sincerest apologies for the fact that I 'ruined' your screenshot in the first post with pictures wider then 800 pixels... Frits
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Bigdaddynz		#26 Posted : 08 October 2011 23:19:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,771 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: Osterthun PS: My sincerest apologies for the fact that I 'ruined' your screenshot in the first post with pictures wider then 800 pixels... Frits No problem Frits, with such fantastic photos, we are not complaining! I'm taking my first 'dip in these waters', as I've purchased the 37912 set. Looking forward to getting them.
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RayF		#27 Posted : 09 October 2011 00:16:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		I like the green one. What is that one meant to represent?
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kimballthurlow		#28 Posted : 09 October 2011 06:32:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,764 Location: Brisbane, Australia		So out of the 8 in Osterthun's first set of photos, only 2 have black wheels. And perhaps also the 33912 olive green, and the photo grey one. regards Kimball
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Osterthun		#29 Posted : 09 October 2011 11:53:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2001(UTC) Posts: 111 Location: Netherlands		Hi to all, If you click on the pictures with the right mouse click (click 'show picture') you'll get the Märklin number in the URL on top of your screen. Greetings Frits
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Webmaster		#30 Posted : 09 October 2011 21:25:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,165		Yep, those are the 2 I have somewhere at my storage location... Seems like I'll have to look for the USTS one on ebay, looks nice.. Kinda regret I did not get it... 03.10's "is the shit" for me, as well as the other streamlined classes... @Ray - The green one was a Vedes (German store chain) special, dunno why it's green... It actually looks quite good...
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Webmaster		#31 Posted : 09 October 2011 21:35:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,165		Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz I'm taking my first 'dip in these waters', as I've purchased the 37912 set. Oooohhh.... Dangerous stuff... I got hooked by just watching the 3791 grey one in that 90's catalog, and then ordering it... No turning back, you know... Congratulations for daring to taste the streamliners, but be warned for the addictive effects it may have...
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Bigdaddynz		#32 Posted : 09 October 2011 21:58:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,771 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: Webmaster ..... but be warned for the addictive effects it may have... So, you're saying I now have 'Streamlined Marklinitis'........
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RayF		#33 Posted : 09 October 2011 23:47:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		It would be great if Marklin made a model of the 06, like this Brawa model They used to make a version in the 40s and 50s called the SK800, but it had one pair of drivers missing
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Bigdaddynz		#34 Posted : 10 October 2011 00:12:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,771 Location: New Zealand		Ray, the Br06 was one of the options voted on by Insider members for possible Insider Models. Here's hoping Marklin does produce one. I have had serious thoughts about tracking down the red version of the Brawa Br06, but haven't got around to it yet.
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Osterthun		#35 Posted : 12 October 2011 15:09:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2001(UTC) Posts: 111 Location: Netherlands		Quote: So, you're saying I now have 'Streamlined Marklinitis'........ Or Streamlined Brawaitis...
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steventrain		#36 Posted : 12 October 2011 18:20:23(UTC) Retweet
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Webmaster		#37 Posted : 27 October 2011 21:39:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,165		Originally Posted by: Webmaster I don't have the "USTS" one (last pic) Now I do... Thanks, gt.305 on Ebay.de for the great service... Just had to get this one too after seeing Frits' pic... Looked much nicer than in the catalog...
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Yumgui		#38 Posted : 27 October 2011 22:13:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/03/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,660 Location: Paris, France		Fritz ... ahem, no words left here ^^ Your locos and their photos are just great references ... for us mere mortals ! Thanks for them, Yum
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Osterthun		#39 Posted : 09 May 2012 14:46:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2001(UTC) Posts: 111 Location: Netherlands		Yum, I'm just as mortal as anyone else. Nevertheless thanks for your compli. Frits
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