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Offline iceman  
#1 Posted : 05 May 2011 16:04:13(UTC)
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I have an ICE train that is around twenty years old. I took my trains into a local Marklin train retailer to get them assessed, and an estimate on repairs. Unfortunately, I couldn't test their condition due to unsupervised cousins damaging the tracks electronics. The ICE train has been stored safely. I will one day get the track fixed.

I learned that the trains I have are not compatible with the latest Marklin setup. I forget the technical term. The only train that can't be upgraded is the ICE or at least it would be expensive.

Are there instructions somewhere on how to perform the upgrade? Would it be better to just sell the train and get an updated version of the same model? Would I have to upgrade the entire track by doing this upgrade and are there any other expenses? The train does have sentimental value, so I would prefer to keep it. However, I'm intrigued by the digital options available such as the Marklin ipod controller.
Offline mmervine  
#2 Posted : 05 May 2011 16:14:04(UTC)
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What is the Marklin model number of this train?
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Offline H0  
#3 Posted : 05 May 2011 17:05:47(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: iceman Go to Quoted Post
I learned that the trains I have are not compatible with the latest Marklin setup.

Analog trains cannot run on digital layouts, but digital trains can run on analog layouts.
You can still buy transformers for analog operation.

Technical terms and ref. numbers (as Mark mentioned) will help us help you.

Any Märklin track can be used for either analog or digital operation. In the worst case you have to remove some radio interference suppressors from the track.
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Offline iceman  
#4 Posted : 05 May 2011 18:47:48(UTC)
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The model # for the ICE is 3371
Offline H0  
#5 Posted : 05 May 2011 21:33:24(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: iceman Go to Quoted Post
The model # for the ICE is 3371

It's a model of the ICE V.
According to HFKern's site this is the only Märklin H0 model of the ICE V, made in three variations (analogue, digital with 6080 decoder, HAMO).
See here:
http://www.hfkern.de/Maerklin/Dt_ICE.html

The 39710 is a completely different train, known as ICE S. Digital with C Sine motor.

I think I would keep the ICE V as it is and buy a different digital ICE.

Both ICE V and ICE S are experimental trains, only two motor units were built for each one.
So three through five units is the prototypical length of these trains.

Here's a German page (with English summary at the bottom) that describes the conversion (and gives some prototype information):
http://www.digital-bahn.de/bau_fzg/ice.htm
Regards
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Offline iceman  
#6 Posted : 05 May 2011 22:19:56(UTC)
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I found this website detailing the conversion.
http://www.ete-ene.org/3...%20Convert%20Article.htm

It seems fairly easy. Unfortunately, the last time I soldered anything was back in high school.
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#7 Posted : 05 May 2011 23:45:51(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: iceman Go to Quoted Post
http://www.ete-ene.org/3371ConvertArticleFiles/3371%20Convert%20Article.htm



Iceman, that article you refer to was authored by Mark Mervine (mmervine) who made the 2nd post in this thread. I'm sure Mark will help out with any questions you may have.
Offline mmervine  
#8 Posted : 06 May 2011 00:39:15(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: iceman Go to Quoted Post
I found this website detailing the conversion.
http://www.ete-ene.org/3...%20Convert%20Article.htm

It seems fairly easy. Unfortunately, the last time I soldered anything was back in high school.


I was going to send you that link. I need to update the article as the notes at the bottom are not correct. It will negotiate R1 curves just fine. I ended up replacing the wire in the photo with thinner wire. The wires were actually putting pressure on the trucks which is what caused the problem on R1 curves. Also, the pick up show switching seems to work fine.

As far as soldering goes, the hardest part is with the multi-pin connector. I would suggest having a friend help as 3 hands were better than two!
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Offline river6109  
#9 Posted : 06 May 2011 01:14:30(UTC)
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Iceman,

A coincidence, there is one digital PCB for sale on ebay from a very reliable source.:

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/w...sPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT

It is easy so long you have an unsoldering tool to remove the solder from the solder pads.

John

Edited by user 06 May 2011 10:35:58(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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Offline iceman  
#10 Posted : 06 May 2011 16:06:31(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: river6109 Go to Quoted Post
Iceman,

A coincidence, there is one digital PCB for sale on ebay from a very reliable source.:

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/w...sPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT

It is easy so long you have an unsoldering tool to remove the solder from the solder pads.

John


The PCB looks different from the board pictured in the Mike's instructions. There a difference between these boards?

Mike, in your instructions you mentioned a test track to check if the lights are working. Unfortunately, my test track is 4hrs away...and its analog. Luckily, I have a Marklin retailer close by (the one testing/repairing my trains currently). All I would need is a long strip of track and a digital controller, right? I have actually never fully hooked up and setup a track.
Offline river6109  
#11 Posted : 06 May 2011 17:26:01(UTC)
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Iceman,
the difference with the PCB is mine is the original and has a decoder build in, the other one you have to buy a decoder with an 8 pin plug.

John
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Offline steventrain  
#12 Posted : 08 May 2011 21:51:44(UTC)
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Hi Iceman,

Welcome to the forum.
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Offline Dimi194  
#13 Posted : 09 May 2011 02:52:47(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: iceman Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: river6109 Go to Quoted Post
Iceman,

A coincidence, there is one digital PCB for sale on ebay from a very reliable source.:

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/w...sPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT

It is easy so long you have an unsoldering tool to remove the solder from the solder pads.

John


The PCB looks different from the board pictured in the Mike's instructions. There a difference between these boards?

Mike, in your instructions you mentioned a test track to check if the lights are working. Unfortunately, my test track is 4hrs away...and its analog. Luckily, I have a Marklin retailer close by (the one testing/repairing my trains currently). All I would need is a long strip of track and a digital controller, right? I have actually never fully hooked up and setup a track.


Yea all you need to do is test it at your marklin dealer; they should be able to help you out there.
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Offline BenP  
#14 Posted : 02 June 2021 06:39:33(UTC)
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I am late to the discussion, but just got a 3371. Instructions are clear, but parts no longer hotlinked or listed. Wher can I get these parts or similar 10y later?
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Offline marklinist5999  
#15 Posted : 02 June 2021 08:08:15(UTC)
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Re; Local Marklin dealer? Not here! Closest is 200 miles away roughly. I think a 3371 train if not running properly would be a good project for an upgrade to mfx sound, if there is space for a sugar cube speaker.
Offline mmervine  
#16 Posted : 02 June 2021 13:22:32(UTC)
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The article can now be found here:

http://www.ete-ene.org/d...xperimental-number-3371/

The circuit boards come from:

https://digital-bahn.de/shopping/ice_mtc

Looks like they have been updated significantly. Please note, it will work fine on R1 curves and pick up shoe switching also works fine.

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Offline mike c  
#17 Posted : 04 June 2021 02:13:31(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: iceman Go to Quoted Post
I have an ICE train that is around twenty years old. I took my trains into a local Marklin train retailer to get them assessed, and an estimate on repairs. Unfortunately, I couldn't test their condition due to unsupervised cousins damaging the tracks electronics. The ICE train has been stored safely. I will one day get the track fixed.

I learned that the trains I have are not compatible with the latest Marklin setup. I forget the technical term. The only train that can't be upgraded is the ICE or at least it would be expensive.

Are there instructions somewhere on how to perform the upgrade? Would it be better to just sell the train and get an updated version of the same model? Would I have to upgrade the entire track by doing this upgrade and are there any other expenses? The train does have sentimental value, so I would prefer to keep it. However, I'm intrigued by the digital options available such as the Marklin ipod controller.


Did you go to Westend Trains or to John's Photo (Danforth)?
Either way, they did not give you accurate information.
Old Maerklin can still be used, providing that you have an analog transformer and track.
The current analog transformer for 120VAC is 6646. If you have a plastic blue transformer from the late 1980s, you should still be ok, but check the condition of the cord.

The 3371 was a model of the prototype ICE-1. At that time, ICE stood for InterCity Experimental. It was later changed to InterCity Express once it went into service. The model was available in digital under the number 3681. That model had very limited functions, perhaps lights on/off in digital operation.

The model had a different motor than much of the rest of the Maerklin catalogue at that time. It may be complicated to find parts.
You can check the Maerklin.de site under Ersatzteile for 3371 or 3671.

I don't have this model, so I am going to leave it to those who have it or have experience with it to provide more information.

Regards

Mike C



Offline marklinist5999  
#18 Posted : 04 June 2021 06:55:50(UTC)
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The 3371 and 3671 have Faulhaber tm. Can motors. The only other Marklin model of that decade to use a Faulaber brand motor was the 3511, and 3611 Wurtemberg class C.
Offline 60904  
#19 Posted : 06 June 2021 16:02:13(UTC)
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Hi there,

the ICE Experimental was delivered in three* versions: 3371 (analog), 3671(digital) and 3871 (DC). If you want to convert an analog version to digital you should have quite some experience with that of work. These trains are quite cheap today. There is a lot of wiring to do.

In case you do it don't forget to darken the roofs of the coaches on the inside because otherwise light will shine through the plastic. Good luck.

* plus the Brunel Award version.
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Offline marklinist5999  
#20 Posted : 06 June 2021 20:02:46(UTC)
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Yes, one can be had for less than $150 U.S. in running order.
Offline BenP  
#21 Posted : 31 July 2021 17:27:56(UTC)
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I took the easy route at about same cost as conversion. I bought a used digital ICE on eBay and added led lights for interior lighting. Needed a little bottom shaving to fit shoes, but otherwise good. Now I have a spare ICE if I decide to restart with analog ;-)

Originally Posted by: BenP Go to Quoted Post
I am late to the discussion, but just got a 3371. Instructions are clear, but parts no longer hotlinked or listed. Wher can I get these parts or similar 10y later?


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Offline river6109  
#22 Posted : 01 August 2021 07:36:46(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: BenP Go to Quoted Post
I took the easy route at about same cost as conversion. I bought a used digital ICE on eBay and added led lights for interior lighting. Needed a little bottom shaving to fit shoes, but otherwise good. Now I have a spare ICE if I decide to restart with analog ;-)

Originally Posted by: BenP Go to Quoted Post
I am late to the discussion, but just got a 3371. Instructions are clear, but parts no longer hotlinked or listed. Wher can I get these parts or similar 10y later?




see my post and you don't need any other spare parts so long you can do it yourself and you have soldering skills and the right tools to do it(make your own PCB) and than choose your option whether you want to convert it with Märklin or ESU.
My conversion consists of 2 loudspeaker (front & rear) , interior lights (via AUX) and sound

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Offline PJMärklin  
#23 Posted : 01 August 2021 09:15:17(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: BenP Go to Quoted Post
I took the easy route at about same cost as conversion. I bought a used digital ICE on eBay and added led lights for interior lighting. Needed a little bottom shaving to fit shoes, but otherwise good. Now I have a spare ICE if I decide to restart with analog ;-)

Originally Posted by: BenP Go to Quoted Post
I am late to the discussion, but just got a 3371. Instructions are clear, but parts no longer hotlinked or listed. Wher can I get these parts or similar 10y later?





Hello Ben,

I did a similar conversion of a burnt-out 33712 in 2014, inspired by the posts of biedmatt seen here at post # 9 et seq :
https://www.marklin-user...nversion.aspx#post395999

and my own experience at post # 19 here : https://www.marklin-user...50-Conversion#post454669

Enjoy your ICE.

Regards,

PJ
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