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Offline Roman  
#1 Posted : 04 April 2011 16:43:07(UTC)
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Hello all,
With any DRG or any older European passenger trains that had baggage cars, particularly the long cars with the raised cupolas. If the baggage van was leading or trailing the consist, how was the raised cupola oriented? Was it aft if the baggage car was leading the consist or directly behind the engine? And if the baggage car was at the end of the consist, was the cupola oriented to be in the front or trail? Thank you.
Roman
Offline GG1 Fan  
#2 Posted : 04 April 2011 21:55:41(UTC)
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Take a look at this thread....starting at post #9

https://www.marklin-user...-Pictures-of-the-DB.aspx
Offline BR01097  
#3 Posted : 05 April 2011 04:28:25(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Roman Go to Quoted Post
Hello all,
With any DRG or any older European passenger trains that had baggage cars, particularly the long cars with the raised cupolas. If the baggage van was leading or trailing the consist, how was the raised cupola oriented? Was it aft if the baggage car was leading the consist or directly behind the engine? And if the baggage car was at the end of the consist, was the cupola oriented to be in the front or trail? Thank you.
Roman



There was a rule--Germans insist on regulation--shortly after the formation of the German Imperial Railway Co. in the 1920's (die Deutsche Reichsbahn Gesellschaft) that no passenger car could be coupled directly behind a locomotive. So, the baggage car intervened. Its cupola was meant to be at the extreme of the consist, but that was not always possible. They wouldn't bother putting a baggage car on a turntable so its cupola faced the optimal direction, so they would run it whichever way it happened to be.

But unlike American railroads where the baggage car as a rule is always up front, the Germans after those days preferred to place baggage cars in the rear or even central in the train, with maybe a mail van in the front. It was pointed out that some models of baggage cars have lanterns mounted for end operation. See also #4044, a modern baggage car with such taillight treatment.

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Offline mmrcnzjohn  
#4 Posted : 05 April 2011 06:30:06(UTC)
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Now this is where it gets difficult.

As a general rule of thumb baggage cars were coupled behind the locomotive in the 1920’s. There were even instances when a freight car was the “first” wagon in a passenger train, but these freight cars were built specifically for this purpose. It didn’t matter which end the cupola was, and some baggage cars had it in the middle.

http://www.eisenbahnstif...mp;num=1145&thema=64

As far as the “rule” goes it was not that no passenger car was allowed, but more that no passenger carrying car was allowed. In effect if the first car of the train was empty of passenger, then in effect the rule was being complied with.

Hard to say whether the mail car was at one end of the train and a baggage car at the other. This may have just been happenstance with the number of major terminus stations on the trains route rather than a conscious decision in train make up.

As far as “lantern” holders are concerned this is where modelling fidelity gets in the way mass production. Marklin have elected not to model this feature on most of their wagons, but the likes of Brawa does, so really the Marklin models without the brackets are wrong.

Now I love the exception to the rule type things. The first unit trains of OOt hopper wagons in the 1920’s in fact had the baggage car at the rear of the train because the drawbar weight of the train was greater than the baggage car could handle!

John
Offline kariosls37  
#5 Posted : 05 April 2011 11:09:23(UTC)
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The reason behind the "baggage car at the front" rule was that passenger coaches were made of wood. When wooden coaches get pushed into a steel locomotive tender as a result of a crash, the first coaches usually telescope and get pushed on top of eachother, with the result that the first coach turns into kindling. I have seen photos of coaches to which this has happened. The only thing that is left is the underframeThumbDown Once all steel coaches were introduced this rule could be slacked off, as steel coaches are much stronger than wooden onesThumpUp
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