 Joined: 23/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 384 Location: Alberta
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Greeting one and all:
I have a concern regarding the newer Marklin E Loks, or more specifically, the pantographs on them. I was wondering if it is just me that finds them a major pain in the butt to get them to go up? I have recently been collecting a number of E Loks these days and it seem that every pantograph on the newer loks are very difficult to release. So much so that inevitably, I end up bending them. Is this Mother M's way of getting you to spend more money?
I'm really getting PO'd over it. I have a newer Crocodile with which either panto's will not release, as well as a number of other E loks that will not release as. Most of these issues are found in the older style pantographs of such items as the E103 or the E120, however I have issues on some of the newer single arm types as well. Frustration does not begin to describe what I feel these days. Does any body have any tips on how to release them without causing major damage?
Sincerely
James |
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Isn't just a slight press down/sideways action needed to unlock them? |
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Originally Posted by: James  Does any body have any tips on how to release them without causing major damage? I have four different tips because there are five different mechanisms I can think of right now (but there may be more). Old single-arm pantographs must be pushed gently to the left (looking from the elbow). Modern single-arm pantographs must be pulled - it can help to push the wiper towards the elbow. With modern scissors pantographs, it's as Juhan mentioned it: push gently to the left to release the hold on the right side, then gently push to the right to release the hold on the left side. With older scissors pantographs, just pull upwards. Which locos do you have problems with? Maybe I (or someone else) can help with photos. |
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 Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,875 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square
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James, I don't think it has anything to do with Marklin.
I've bought Sommerfeldt pantographs and they are the same, difficult to release them.
One has to look closely to find out why they're not coming apart from their locked position. look at one that hasn't got the problem and than adjust the part which is slightly bent.
There are no specific reasons or solutions.
SBB pantographs and some others you have to pull sideways and lift them out of the lock and than move it to the opposite side and do the same and this where the problem can lie, you cant release them from this locking system.
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Joined: 23/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 384 Location: Alberta
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Thanks for the response guys, it certainly helps  I just find the older pantographs a lot easier to manipulate. I guess I'm getting old fashioned these days. The delicacy of the new pantographs are nice when it comes to overall appearance, however, when it it cones to functionality......... Thanks again for the support. Sincerely |
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 Joined: 01/03/2008(UTC) Posts: 2,883 Location: South Western France
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Originally Posted by: James Thanks for the response guys, it certainly helps I just find the older pantographs a lot easier to manipulate. I guess I'm getting old fashioned these days. The delicacy of the new pantographs are nice when it comes to overall appearance, however, when it it cones to functionality......... Thanks again for the support. Sincerely Hi James Personally I don't find the "new" pantographs any harder to use or even more fragile than the old ones, although a few years ago, when I first saw these I would have sided with you entirely!  As others have said it is often a matter of slightly pressing sideways once to the left, then once to the right to free them up. I would suggest that you sit down, with good light, take your magnifying glass(es) and take the time to observe how they are locked in place and how pushing lighty sideways frees them up. I don't know about you, but I used to be able to observe that kind of details with naked eyes and in average light... No more  ...but still, I compensate that with patience.  Cheers Jacques |
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Originally Posted by: river6109 I've bought Sommerfeldt pantographs and they are the same, difficult to release them. Guess who makes pantographs for Märklin ...  |
Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS |
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