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Offline RayF  
#1 Posted : 22 October 2010 15:51:21(UTC)
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In another topic we touched briefly on models not made yet by Marklin, so I thought it worthwhile to research exactly which models these were. The list soon became very long, so I have produced a list of only Steam locos which served with the DB. If you think there are any errors or omissions let me know.

List of DB Steam locos not made by Marklin (doesn’t include locos withdrawn before DB service, or Rack locos):

Br01.10 – Streamlined original version
Br18.5 - DRG produced version of S3/6
Br18.6 – Bavarian S3/6 with new boiler
Br38.4 – ex Bavarian P3/5 H
Br38.2-3 – ex Saxon XII H2
Br42 – 2 cylinder Kreigslok between Br50 and Br44 in power
Br50.40 – Franco Crosti version of Br50
Br54.15-17 – ex Bavarian G3/4 H
Br55.0-6 - ex Prussian G7.1
Br55.16-22 – ex Prussian G8
Br56.1 - ex Prussian G8.3
Br56.2.8 - ex Prussian G8 rebuilt with front carrying axle
Br 56.20-29 - ex Prussian G8.2
Br57.5 - ex Bavarian G5/5
Br57.10-35 - ex Prussian G10
Br58.2-3 - ex Baden G12.1-7
Br58.4 - ex Saxon XIII H
Br58.5 - ex Wurttemberg G12
Br58.10-21 - ex Prussian G12
Br62 - Einheitslok
Br65 - Neubaulok
Br66 - Neubaulok
Br70.0 - ex Bavarian Pt2/3
Br70.1 - ex Baden lg 1-2
Br71 - Einheitslok
Br74.0-3 - ex Prussian T11
Br75.1-3 - ex Baden VI b
Br75.4 - ex Baden VI c 1-7
Br75.10-11 - ex Baden VI c 8-9
Br76 - ex Prussian T10
Br77.0 - ex Palatine P5
Br77.1 - ex Bavarian Pt3/6
Br78.10 - rebuild from Prussian P8
Br82 - Neubaulok
Br87 - Cogwheel drive on outer axles
Br89.1 - ex Palatine T3
Br89.6 - ex Bavarian D 11.11
Br89.7-8 - ex Bavarian R3/3 (Marklin 3029 is similar)
Br91.3-18 - ex Prussian T9.3
Br91.19 - ex Mecklenburg T4
Br91.20 - ex Wurttemberg T9
Br92.2-3 - ex Baden X b
Br92.20 - ex Bavarian R4/4
Br93.0-4 - ex Prussian T14
Br93.5-12 - ex Wurttemberg T14
Br94.1 - ex Wurttemberg Tn
Br94.2-4 - ex Prussian T16
Br94.5-17 – ex Prussian T16.1
Br95.0 - ex Prussian T20
Br98.4-5 - ex Bavarian DXI
Br98.5 - ex Bavarian PtL ¾
Br98.6 - ex Palatine D VIII
Br98.8-9 - ex Bavarian GtL 4/4
Br98.10 - DRG new build
Br98.11 - DRG rebuild of Bavarian GtL 4/4 with extra axle
Br98.18 - ex LAG

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Offline H0  
#2 Posted : 22 October 2010 18:09:25(UTC)
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Hi, Ray!
Nice list - but I'd like to add some information:
RayPayas wrote:
Br42 – 2 cylinder version of Br44

BR 43 was the 2 cylinder sister of BR 44.
BR 42 (tractive weight 85.77 tons) was a war locomotive that had to fill the gap between BR 44 (tractive weight 95.30 tons) and BR 50 (tractive weight 75.30 tons).
More tractive power than a BR 50 on relations where the BR 44 was too heavy.
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Offline RayF  
#3 Posted : 22 October 2010 18:58:20(UTC)
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H0 wrote:
Hi, Ray!
Nice list - but I'd like to add some information:
RayPayas wrote:
Br42 – 2 cylinder version of Br44

BR 43 was the 2 cylinder sister of BR 44.
BR 42 (tractive weight 85.77 tons) was a war locomotive that had to fill the gap between BR 44 (tractive weight 95.30 tons) and BR 50 (tractive weight 75.30 tons).
More tractive power than a BR 50 on relations where the BR 44 was too heavy.


Thanks Tom, I got them mixed up.
Ray
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Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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Offline pab  
#4 Posted : 23 October 2010 20:22:00(UTC)
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I think there was a BR 18.5 too.
A S 3/6 copy, build in the 1920's with a larger cylinder diameter
As far as I know, not made by Märklin. They did a 18.4
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Piet Brijs
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Offline RayF  
#5 Posted : 23 October 2010 20:40:34(UTC)
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pab wrote:
I think there was a BR 18.5 too.
A S 3/6 copy, build in the 1920's with a larger cylinder diameter
As far as I know, not made by Märklin. They did a 18.4


That's true Piet. I didn't include it as it's really very similar to a 18.4. I'll put it in now.
Ray
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Offline epierre  
#6 Posted : 05 November 2010 11:49:48(UTC)
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I would add:

- BR 07.10001
- BR 12.010
- BR 01.05
- BR 18.201
- BR 61.002 (only 001 as MHI)
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Offline RayF  
#7 Posted : 05 November 2010 13:38:19(UTC)
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epierre wrote:
I would add:

- BR 07.10001
- BR 12.010
- BR 01.05
- BR 18.201
- BR 61.002 (only 001 as MHI)


Hi Emmanuel,

I know the Br61 002 was converted into the Br18.201 which served with the DR. As far as I know none of these served with the DB and fall outside my list.

Similarly, 01.5 and 07.10 are DR rebuilds of pre-war DRG and SNCF locos.

I'm not familiar with the Br12.01. Do you have any info on this one?
Ray
Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
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Offline H0  
#8 Posted : 05 November 2010 18:33:01(UTC)
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epierre wrote:
- BR 12.010

Looks as if 12.010 was an Austrian locomotive that was listed with DRG in era II.

If era II was included, the list would be much longer - but this is a DB list.
Regards
Tom
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Offline RayF  
#9 Posted : 05 November 2010 20:45:24(UTC)
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H0 wrote:
epierre wrote:
- BR 12.010

Looks as if 12.010 was an Austrian locomotive that was listed with DRG in era II.

If era II was included, the list would be much longer - but this is a DB list.


Thanks Tom. I couldn't find that one.
Ray
Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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Offline Goofy  
#10 Posted : 06 November 2010 11:53:34(UTC)
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RayPayas wrote:
In another topic we touched briefly on models not made yet by Marklin, so I thought it worthwhile to research exactly which models these were. The list soon became very long, so I have produced a list of only Steam locos which served with the DB. If you think there are any errors or omissions let me know.

List of DB Steam locos not made by Marklin (doesn’t include locos withdrawn before DB service, or Rack locos):

Br01.10 – Streamlined original version
Br18.5 - DRG produced version of S3/6
Br18.6 – Bavarian S3/6 with new boiler
Br38.4 – ex Bavarian P3/5 H
Br38.2-3 – ex Saxon XII H2
Br42 – 2 cylinder Kreigslok between Br50 and Br44 in power
Br50.40 – Franco Crosti version of Br50
Br54.15-17 – ex Bavarian G3/4 H
Br55.0-6 - ex Prussian G7.1
Br55.16-22 – ex Prussian G8
Br56.1 - ex Prussian G8.3
Br56.2.8 - ex Prussian G8 rebuilt with front carrying axle
Br 56.20-29 - ex Prussian G8.2
Br57.5 - ex Bavarian G5/5
Br57.10-35 - ex Prussian G10
Br58.2-3 - ex Baden G12.1-7
Br58.4 - ex Saxon XIII H
Br58.5 - ex Wurttemberg G12
Br58.10-21 - ex Prussian G12
Br62 - Einheitslok
Br65 - Neubaulok
Br66 - Neubaulok
Br70.0 - ex Bavarian Pt2/3
Br70.1 - ex Baden lg 1-2
Br71 - Einheitslok
Br74.0-3 - ex Prussian T11
Br75.1-3 - ex Baden VI b
Br75.4 - ex Baden VI c 1-7
Br75.10-11 - ex Baden VI c 8-9
Br76 - ex Prussian T10
Br77.0 - ex Palatine P5
Br77.1 - ex Bavarian Pt3/6
Br78.10 - rebuild from Prussian P8
Br82 - Neubaulok
Br87 - Cogwheel drive on outer axles
Br89.1 - ex Palatine T3
Br89.6 - ex Bavarian D 11.11
Br89.7-8 - ex Bavarian R3/3 (Marklin 3029 is similar)
Br91.3-18 - ex Prussian T9.3
Br91.19 - ex Mecklenburg T4
Br91.20 - ex Wurttemberg T9
Br92.2-3 - ex Baden X b
Br92.20 - ex Bavarian R4/4
Br93.0-4 - ex Prussian T14
Br93.5-12 - ex Wurttemberg T14
Br94.1 - ex Wurttemberg Tn
Br94.2-4 - ex Prussian T16
Br94.5-17 – ex Prussian T16.1
Br95.0 - ex Prussian T20
Br98.4-5 - ex Bavarian DXI
Br98.5 - ex Bavarian PtL ¾
Br98.6 - ex Palatine D VIII
Br98.8-9 - ex Bavarian GtL 4/4
Br98.10 - DRG new build
Br98.11 - DRG rebuild of Bavarian GtL 4/4 with extra axle
Br98.18 - ex LAG



Very impressive list of era 1 locomotivs! ThumpUp
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Offline pab  
#11 Posted : 06 November 2010 13:44:15(UTC)
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Some additions to your already impressive list Ray

18.0 (sachs XVIII H)
19 1001
19.0 (sach. XX HV)
36 (P4.1)
37.0-1 (P6)
38.70 (bad IVe2-6)
54.0, 54.2-3, 54.6, 54.8-10, 54.12 (versions of the Prussian G.5)
56.7 (bad. VIIIe)
56.5-6 (sachs. IX V, IX HV)
82 Neubau (1950-1955, last one out of service in 1972)

Most of those locs ended there life in era II, some managed to survive the WW2.
With kind regards
Piet Brijs
Website: http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~pabrijs
Topic in Marklin-users.net: https://www.marklin-user...pics/18-Me-and-my-layout
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#12 Posted : 19 November 2010 16:51:41(UTC)
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H0 wrote:
epierre wrote:
- BR 12.010

Looks as if 12.010 was an Austrian locomotive that was listed with DRG in era II.

If era II was included, the list would be much longer - but this is a DB list.


Yes it was never a DB, but it has a strange history: ÖBB Class 12 (ex BBÖ 214, DRG Class 12.0)

BR 12 (in german)
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Offline epierre  
#13 Posted : 19 November 2010 16:53:21(UTC)
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Hello,

RayPayas wrote:

I know the Br61 002 was converted into the Br18.201 which served with the DR.



As was the one in my avatar H45.024 ThumpUp
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Offline H0  
#14 Posted : 19 November 2010 18:01:59(UTC)
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epierre wrote:
RayPayas wrote:

I know the Br61 002 was converted into the Br18.201 which served with the DR.

As was the one in my avatar H45.024 ThumpUp

For the 18 201 they used the frame and five wheelsets from 61 002 along with two cylinders, one wheelset, and some other parts from H45 024. And a new boiler.
Regards
Tom
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Offline I_love_Marklin_37538  
#15 Posted : 24 November 2010 23:21:23(UTC)
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The 18.1 Lady C,most of them survived until 1954
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#16 Posted : 25 November 2010 01:05:29(UTC)
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I_love_Marklin_37538 wrote:
The 18.1 Lady C,most of them survived until 1954


I do believe Marklin have made this loco! ThumpUp
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Offline jeehring  
#17 Posted : 26 November 2010 04:11:37(UTC)
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I like the BR71 series (all of them).....BR 70 too (see page before)...
Some pictures ( scroll down )
http://www.forum-train.f...&t=155&start=500
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#18 Posted : 26 November 2010 05:01:42(UTC)
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H0 wrote:
epierre wrote:
RayPayas wrote:

I know the Br61 002 was converted into the Br18.201 which served with the DR.

As was the one in my avatar H45.024 ThumpUp

For the 18 201 they used the frame and five wheelsets from 61 002 along with two cylinders, one wheelset, and some other parts from H45 024. And a new boiler.


.....and beside usual European gauges this machine appears...gigantic !
See here , beside the machine how people look small (scroll down untill end of the page):
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http://www.forum-train.f...&t=155&start=570
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Offline river6109  
#19 Posted : 26 November 2010 07:11:00(UTC)
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This website illustrates various Steamlocos

http://www.locomotives-w...dervereichnis019_041.php
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