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Offline river6109  
#1 Posted : 14 September 2010 15:00:02(UTC)
river6109

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Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square
I've just fiddled aound with the overhead system to accompany the DB restaurant car pantograph.

After all the work I've done and loosing 2 of the finely detailed pantos (broken) I realized the panto is only up when stationary, when the car sits on its own and meals have to be cooked before hand until the loco is coupled to the carriages.

Never the less it was a good exercise getting the right angle of the overhead wire within the limits of the pantograph.

the problem with the Panto was, a.) it worked only in one direction, as this sounds odd but having the panto in front of direction it stayed with in the framework of tolerance, turning it around )panto in the back, the panto became free and lost the contact with the wire.
Having had the restaurant car already wired up for interior lights and the Roco electrical coupling again I had to unsolder all wires and reverse all soldering points.

In the end a lot of work for almost nothing, 2 panots ruined but now I'm relaxed, in case of any derailment, hopefully no more pantos will be destroyed with the Pantograph down.

Soon I'll have a video of my DB Class E 44 (beige & turquoise colour) [Primex 2702 Set] with the restaurant car included.

John
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Offline mike c  
#2 Posted : 14 September 2010 20:12:25(UTC)
mike c

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Many people aren't aware that Restaurant coaches equipped with pantographs use those only when the train is not connected to the locomotive (in station or in preparation) so that the Restaurant coach can power the kitchen. In normal use, the coach receives power through the cables connecting it to the locomotive.
Maerklin released to my knowledge 4 models of such a coach, the SBB WRm (24cm) and the variants of the DB WRmz135 (4153/4294/...), the SBB EWIV WR (4125/4217) and the SBB EWIV WRm 42172/42173.
A new model of the SBB WRm UIC (same prototype as 4068) is expected this year as part of the 26557 TEE Bavaria Set. Maerklin has not yet released any other Restaurant coach with Panto in 1:93.
Here is an interesting thought for those who are interested in expanding their collection/operability. If you are using C or K Track, have you considered powering your catenary with DC voltage? This would allow you to operate your 3 rail Maerklin loks via the center rail and to operate 2 rail electric locomotives via the catenary. This would allow you to enjoy some models not available in AC on your layout without requiring any complicated conversions or modifications to the loks.

Regards

Mike C
Offline Unholz  
#3 Posted : 14 September 2010 20:49:04(UTC)
Unholz

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mike c wrote:

Maerklin released to my knowledge 4 models of such a coach, the SBB WRm (24cm) and the variants of the DB WRmz135 (4153/4294/...), the SBB EWIV WR (4125/4217) and the SBB EWIV WRm 42172/42173.


...and not to forget Marklin's classic 4016 (green) and 4035 (red) light-steel dining cars of the SBB. Wink
Offline mike c  
#4 Posted : 14 September 2010 21:08:17(UTC)
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Thanks. Those classics slipped my mind.

Mike C
Offline Charlie  
#5 Posted : 16 September 2010 23:27:53(UTC)
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Interesting thought, DC through the catenary... Could you still reverse the DC locomotives I wonder??
Offline H0  
#6 Posted : 16 September 2010 23:55:44(UTC)
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mike c wrote:
If you are using C or K Track, have you considered powering your catenary with DC voltage? This would allow you to operate your 3 rail Maerklin loks via the center rail and to operate 2 rail electric locomotives via the catenary. This would allow you to enjoy some models not available in AC on your layout without requiring any complicated conversions or modifications to the loks.

I plan to do that with my Roco streetcar (tiny wheels, no chance to install a pickup).
It's prototypically correct to run (certain) streetcars on one track with Diesel freight locos.

And yes: DC locos can be reversed then. No more reversing loop problems with DC vehicles.
Regards
Tom
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Offline Macfire  
#7 Posted : 17 September 2010 01:42:26(UTC)
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Brilliant topic ThumpUp Thanks guys.

No I did not know how the pantos were used, I just assumed (Ass/u/me)that they were up for normal operation

And DC thru the overhead - thinking outside the square there ThumpUp ThumpUp
and the advantage of cheaper purchasing price and greater choice ThumpUp ThumpUp ThumpUp
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Offline Dreadnought  
#8 Posted : 17 September 2010 04:22:24(UTC)
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I have found that single arm pantographs snag on my old style M track catenary, unless they go in the direction of the flex in the pantograph. I.E. if the direction of travel is to the right of this page, ">".

I have the old 1950's red Swiss restaurnat car. I use the pantograph to light up all the cars of that train. The restauant car pantograph is thus always up, sorry to be unprototypical/
Offline mike c  
#9 Posted : 17 September 2010 06:34:38(UTC)
mike c

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@Dreadnought,

If you want to light your train without having the pantograph up at all times would be to order one of the original Hag AC sliders (old generation passenger coaches), fix that on one of the bogies (they clip in wonderfully) connect it to the lights and then run a cable from the lighting socket at the other end of the car with a Maerklin pin or socket at the end. When you couple the coaches, connect each coach using pins and sockets. All that will be visible between the coaches is a single cable. The connectors can be pushed through the window in one of that gangway doors.

Anybody else considering lighting any older Maerklin 24cm or shorter 4 axle bogie coach should also consider the Hag slider instead of the original Maerklin ones. I recommend this highly.

Regards

Mike C
Offline Macfire  
#10 Posted : 17 September 2010 08:26:09(UTC)
Macfire


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mike c wrote:
@Dreadnought,

If you want to light your train without having the pantograph up at all times would be to order one of the original Hag AC sliders (old generation passenger coaches), fix that on one of the bogies (they clip in wonderfully) connect it to the lights and then run a cable from the lighting socket at the other end of the car with a Maerklin pin or socket at the end. When you couple the coaches, connect each coach using pins and sockets. All that will be visible between the coaches is a single cable. The connectors can be pushed through the window in one of that gangway doors.

Anybody else considering lighting any older Maerklin 24cm or shorter 4 axle bogie coach should also consider the Hag slider instead of the original Maerklin ones. I recommend this highly.

Regards

Mike C


Mike one picture is worth a thousand words...
Got any piccies?????? Wub Wub Wub
What is the part number of the HAG slider?
Lord Macca
New Zealand branch of Clan Donald.
Offline Unholz  
#11 Posted : 17 September 2010 17:47:31(UTC)
Unholz

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Macfire wrote:

What is the part number of the HAG slider?


HAG part no. 518, domestic price per piece 6 Swiss Francs.
Offline Macfire  
#12 Posted : 18 September 2010 12:45:36(UTC)
Macfire


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Unholz wrote:
Macfire wrote:

What is the part number of the HAG slider?


HAG part no. 518, domestic price per piece 6 Swiss Francs.


Thanks Stefan ThumpUp
Lord Macca
New Zealand branch of Clan Donald.
Offline kgsjoqvist  
#13 Posted : 18 October 2010 16:48:35(UTC)
kgsjoqvist

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mike c wrote:

Here is an interesting thought for those who are interested in expanding their collection/operability. If you are using C or K Track, have you considered powering your catenary with DC voltage? This would allow you to operate your 3 rail Maerklin loks via the center rail and to operate 2 rail electric locomotives via the catenary. This would allow you to enjoy some models not available in AC on your layout without requiring any complicated conversions or modifications to the loks.

Regards

Mike C


Well, it is at least possible to operate one loco this way without modifying the tracks. 2-rail loco typically uses one of the rails + catenary. If you separate all of the outer rails you can use 2 electric 2-rail locos, but no 3-rail vehicle can be on the same power circuit, because it will connect the outer rails. In a modular layout some people use K-track to be able to connect to a 2-rail or a 3-rail layout as desired.

While it is possible, I would say that it is not tempting. It would only be useful if you are running electric 2-rail locos, and adding a decoder in those locos is far easier if you are running digital. You can still operate them from catenary!
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Offline river6109  
#14 Posted : 18 October 2010 17:04:45(UTC)
river6109

Australia   
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Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square
This is correct,
I for instance have 2 rail Roco locos (not available in AC) and by using the overhead system I'm able to run them without adding electrical couplings to the loco to convey the power to a neighbouring carriage with a slider.

Nothing would stop me of running all the locos (incl. Märklin > multiprotocol decoders) on a DCC system.

John
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