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Offline sudibarba  
#1 Posted : 26 May 2010 05:24:15(UTC)
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I have to admit I am ignorant on this issue. I run a CS2 and have converted 50 or so analogue loks to magnets and ESU decoders. I install them and set the decoder address as I wish. I do nothing to set the speed steps. I believe these decoders can run more than the delta ones. How many steps do they default to and should I change them? I am aware that ESU recommends certain CV settings for various Marklin motor types. I've tried these once or twice but not sure I saw an improvement.

Anyway, my real question is about speed steps.

Thanks,
Eric
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Offline applor  
#2 Posted : 26 May 2010 06:10:21(UTC)
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If you're running a CS2, you should add the loco's address using DCC since the Lokpilot v3.0 supports 128 speed steps using DCC.
Otherwise it will run using Motorola, which will probably be 14 speed steps (or might be 27 on the CS2)

As for delta, they are not load regulated (analog) so they don't even have speed steps so anything is better than that.
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Offline H0  
#3 Posted : 26 May 2010 12:35:34(UTC)
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Hi, Eric!
sudibarba wrote:
How many steps do they default to and should I change them?

The decoder supports 14 and 28 speed steps with Motorola protocol (I'm not sure if CS2 supports those 28 speed steps because this is an ESU extension of the MM protocol).

With DCC, you can choose between 14, 28, and 128 speed steps.

If you register the loco for Motorola protocol, the default probably is 14 speed steps.
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Offline RayF  
#4 Posted : 26 May 2010 13:00:12(UTC)
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applor wrote:

...As for delta, they are not load regulated (analog) so they don't even have speed steps so anything is better than that.


Hi Eric,

I'm not sure that this statement is accurate in every way. It is true that a delta decoder is not load regulated, but it is definitely digitally controlled, and not an analogue device. In fact it is not very different from the original 6080 motorola decoders.

As a digital system, Delta most definitely uses speed steps (14 I believe). This is quite obvious as you start increasing the throttle. Usually there is no movement on the first 2 or 3 steps, though you start hearing the motor buzzing or growling! Then at the next step the loco starts moving, and you can sometimes back it off one step and it will still carry on.

I would qualify the final part of your statement by adding that "any load regulated decoder is better than that"
Ray
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Offline river6109  
#5 Posted : 26 May 2010 14:47:34(UTC)
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Weix,
I'm surprised you haven't got yourself a lokprogrammer. it qualifies after converting 50 locos or so.

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Offline H0  
#6 Posted : 26 May 2010 15:18:02(UTC)
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RayPayas wrote:
As a digital system, Delta most definitely uses speed steps (14 I believe).

The latest Delta decoders have 27 speed steps (just like the 60901 decoders). But that's no real improvement IMHO.

Any decoder with adjustable minimum and maximum speed is better than a Delta decoder.
But the old AC/DC motor is part of the problem. Delta decoders with DC motors (there are some ex works) are much better.

(Gotta punish myself for writing this OT post.)
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Offline sudibarba  
#7 Posted : 28 May 2010 03:00:44(UTC)
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river6109 wrote:
Weix,
I'm surprised you haven't got yourself a lokprogrammer. it qualifies after converting 50 locos or so.

John


John, you are right. I have been looking at that for 2+ years and just have not done it. I think I will. I even spoke to the ESU guys at the last big show (Amherst Society - Springfield ,MA) but they really did not explain things well. For $125 or so from Eurolokshop.com I'm going to do it.
Eric
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Offline mmervine  
#8 Posted : 28 May 2010 05:30:12(UTC)
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Eric-once you have your Lokprogrammer, you can adjust the motor parameters (CV's) as recommended in the LP manual. I have found that my loks run much better when the CV's are set properly. A few of us in the ETE-ENE have these and, sometimes, bring them to meetings and shows to help others 'tune up' their loks. I am not so far away from you, so let me know if you need some help!
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Offline H0  
#9 Posted : 28 May 2010 12:01:28(UTC)
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mmervine wrote:
Eric-once you have your Lokprogrammer, you can adjust the motor parameters (CV's) as recommended in the LP manual.

You can do that with a MS1, a CS1, a CU 6021 - and probably even with a CS2 (should work even without DCC).
One doesn't need a LokProgrammer for this basic setting.
Eric mentions in his first post that he already tried the recommended settings ...

The MS1 or CU 6021 cannot dim the lights (CVs above 80), but most other controllers can change that.
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Tom
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Offline mmervine  
#10 Posted : 28 May 2010 17:27:30(UTC)
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Didn't mean to imply that CV's could not be adjusted any other way...just a lot easier for an ESU decoder with the Lokprogrammer. I really enjoy being able to alter the sound files for my Loksound decoders.
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