nice

Re 421 (Re 4/4II) is one of those that comes with closed skirt and hoses (like the V 200, V 300, 103, 218, new E 10.3/E 10.12).
Owners of 37320 will be able to tell if the set includes hoses and closed skirts.

See also here:
https://www.marklin-user...ts&m=10673#post10673

Edit: 37321 also includes closed skirting (see page 25 of manual):

Copy the URL into the address field of your browser.

Edited by moderator 27 February 2010 01:49:07(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Nice photos, thanks Tom!

Lutz, Tom is not publishing Andreas' photos here, just providing a link to where they can be seen. This just goes to show how how retarded some people's attitudes are to stuff they publish on the internet. The whole point of the internet is the free flow and availability of information. There is no point in publishing a photo on the net, and then telling everyone they can't look at it!

Short answer is if you don't want it to be seen, don't publish it!

Hello,

here my original photos:















I hope you enjoy the pictures.

with kind regards,

Andreas

Absolutely, you are most welcome Andreas.

And thanks for providing the photos.

Andreas published his pictures on Imageshack.
Tom is not providing a link to Imageshack, but to a different server (and without crediting Andreas).
It's a matter of honour to credit the photographer.
It's a (potential) copyright issue to download photos and upload them to a different place.

I wouldn't do that coz the risk of being sued for copyright infringement would stop me.

@Andreas - Thanks for the photos. You're not nobody here.

I guess that we can close this thread by saying that nobody has been a bigger help to this thread than Lutz.

Regards

Mike C

Hello Andreas,

Welcome to the forum! Nice pictures .


RMW

Your English not bad.

How weight/heavy is the R6/6 model?

@Andreas,

If you have the Roco and/or Hag models of the Re 6/6, can you post a photo of the Maerklin model next to either the Roco or Hag model for comparative purposes.

Nochmals, besten Dank fuer die Fotos/Thanks for the Photos.

Regards

Mike C

Andreas welcome to the forum.

We could have a bit of fun here, when replying to your posts: nobody wrote: ......., we may have to change this to Andreas wrote: ........
SBB Ae 6/6 weight: 614g, 21cm, 3 axles powered, 4 traction tyres
SBB Re 6/6 weight: 688g, 22,2cm, 2 axles powered, ? traction tyres
The Roco Re 6/6 weight: 503g, 4 axles powered, 8 traction tyres (2axles added with traction tyres)

John

Edited by user 01 March 2010 15:13:28(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Stefan,
It is a rare moment in time when one can say that LH has been a bigger help that anyone else on the forum/s. I will admit SOMETIMES he will be a big help but usually by PM and by not by posting on the forum for all of the rabble (that is us) to read.

NN

Andreas,

Welcome to the forum and thank you for posting your photographs!



Regards,


Thomas

I am proud to report that Lutz has today honored the HAG forum by (slightly belatedly) allowing us to view a few of his pictures:

http://www.forum.hag-inf...p;postID=54772#post54772

Apart from some "Marklinisms" already pointed out here, the Marklin Re 6/6 has by no means met with unfavorable reviews in the HAG forum. One feature is the somewhat "upturned" position of the pantographs when lowered, but it is interesting to note that this peculiarity is not apparent in Lutz' pictures.

Thanks Andreas , and also thanks to Lutz for triggering the posting of the original pics here...

Nobody is warmly welcomed here... Eehhh - that sounded a bit wrong, didn't it?

yesterday night I've mistaken topic, so I report here my message:

Some pics of the Re 10/10 here:
37320

Classic five poles engine for the new Re6/6 and simple sound function.

I have not yet received my 37320, but am basing my initial evaluation on the photos supplied by Alberto (above):

Hag:
+ Great motor and pulling power
+ Metal body
+ Spring loaded buffers
+ Separately applied wipers
+ Best reproduction of the front windows (main)
+ So far only producer with accurate depiction of model with A/C panel
+ Closed snowplough available as accessory
- Swiss Crest is a little oversized
- Light shines through bogie opening
- Body moulding line visible on some models*

Roco:
+ Very detailed plastic body with raised lettering
+ Swiss Crest is correct
+ Separately applied wipers
+ Very accurate Swiss Pantographs
+ Best overall reproduction of the front windows
+ Best reproduction of the hoses/connections on the lok front/Closed plough
+ Very smooth operation
- Light can shine through body shell of red locomotives
- Middle bogie lacks weight and can derail on switches
- End footboards extend too far out on the sides

Maerklin:
+ Metal body
+ First model with bright white LEDs/Cab lighting
+/- Swiss Crest on front is moulded into the lok shell, but the dimensions are correct.
+/- Closed front piece with hoses included but may interfere with the bogies
- City Crest and lok number on side too high
- Roof adjacent to vents looks different than prototype.

Common:
As far as I can tell, none of these model come equipped with true close couplings. All three come with coupler shafts or couplings mounted directly on the bogie.
The Hag Re 6/6 probably looks best when combined with a Hag Re 4/4II/Re 4/4III. The same can respectively be said for the Roco model and likely for the Maerklin model as well.
As far as traction, the model Hag probably has the best motor. Maerklin's traditional motor has proved itself to be reliable and the Roco model is the quietest.
All three models come with 3 white/1 white Swiss lighting. None of the models come with working red lights. Roco has so far had the best imitation of the current rectangular halogen lights.
The Hag and Maerklin models are metal. The Roco model has a metal frame with a plastic body.
All models come with the correct rectangular buffers. Hag's model has spring loaded buffers while the Maerklin and Roco models have fixed plastic buffers.
The main windows look the best on the Hag model. The Roco model has the best overall reproduction of the windows, probably due to the fact that the lok is moulded in plastic. Maerklin still has the brown tinted side windows.
The Roco model has the most accurate pantographs, while the Hag and Maerklin models rely on Sommerfeldt designs that go back to the 1970s. The Sommerfeldt pantos are still way better than the original Maerklin 7219s that came with earlier models with single arm pantos. The Roco pantos cannot be installed on the Hag or Maerklin models without some modifications as the screw mount locations are different.

I guess that in conclusion, the choice of whether you prefer one specific model is up to you. I like certain aspects of each model and because of that, I cannot decide which model I prefer. I do not have any of the red Re 6/6s by Roco due to the glow-through issue and am looking forward to a red model from Maerklin. I have not ordered the 37321 as I already have two Re 620s (Cargo) from Hag. I would hope that Maerklin would go through the Hag catalog or Stefan's website before selecting future coats of arms. There are still some models that have not been made that would probably be big sellers.

As soon as I receive my 37320, I will take some photos of the three models, individually, all together and head to head with each other.

I have not included any of the older Lima models in this comparison, as I do not have any of those models in my collection.

Regards

Mike C

Edited by user 06 March 2010 20:51:55(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Hi Mike,
I will post some pictures of my 3 Lima locos of the Re 6/6 for you. They are not the older ones but the ones made at the end of the 90 may be 99-2001 they have a very good detail and a central motor with all wheel drive.
This night I will take the photos.

Regards
Eduardo

Great, thanks for the helpful.

Thank you Mike for the information.
Here I am posting some photos of my Re 6/6 from LIMA. This are not Hornby Limas I think they are from the late 90 or begining of the 2000. I was able to get this trains last year in a garage sale, they were new, never used, I payed only 30$ for each and I made the convertion to Digital AC with a decoder and a slider, also I made some adjustment to the wheels. They run very smooth and they are very silent. They are not a Marklin or Hag loco but they look very good, I could even compare them with some Roco locos from the same year, metal frame and metal inserts. Let me know your comments.
Regards
Eduardo

There are some minor details missing.
e.g. Panto hydraulic lifter,
Wheels are not seethroug,h also the step, some details missing from the bogy, extra step, hoses, front hook and hoses ((could be missing), handrails are part of the housing mold.
The price you've paid for it is a bargain.
My argument is, when you play with your trains and the locos are in motion none of the above missing details will be noticed. I would give them an 8 out 10.

Here is my version of the Roco model:












4 axles powered with traction tyres on 3 axles.



John

Hi Mike,

Are the Roco body metal or Plastic?

Thanks, Mike.

Are you sure it's not pneumatic?