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Offline mahoose  
#1 Posted : 04 March 2010 12:02:14(UTC)
mahoose


Joined: 03/03/2010(UTC)
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Location: West Yorkshire
I hope that someone can see this message as it's my first attempt. I've had to try and figure out how to post a general message, ie. (not private).

I enjoy Z-gauge and have a small amount, (my stuff is mostly 'N')but I do have a few issues with 'Z'. Firstly, I have experienced an 80% failure rate of locomotives. The worst was the DB V200 diesel; four attempts to buy one that worked, all unsuccessful, still no V200. I became so fed-up with 'Z' that I left it alone for about 3 years. All dodgy locomotives were purchased new and all returns were honoured without question by the dealer, which was a great relief as I felt sure that my credibility must have been in doubt after 4 attempts to get a V200. Each loco lasted about 20 minutes; never to work again.

My questions are;

1. POINTS Why don't Marklin make self isolating 'Z' points? Currently my layout is temporary and I don't want wires and switches all over the board. This is soon to change to a permanent, but small, (could it be otherwise), layout and for simplicity, I would still prefer manual self isolating points. Is there something that can be done to the standard points?

2. TRACTION I too experience very poor traction in my 'Z' locos. The two Crocodiles are absoluteley hopeless and can only manage about 4 or 5 low sided flat bed trucks on the flat. The Croc. should be able to pull 30 large trucks without trouble. Gradients? No, no, no; no gradients. What's going on? How come Marklin make such a poor product? Traction tyres would sureley sort this out? I have read about Bullfrog Snot elsewhere in this forum and whilst it sounds a bit crude, I think it's worth a go.

3. STRINGS Maybe some well connected contributors could lean on Marklin, pull strings and scratch backs?

Regards; Mahoose
Offline ozzman  
#2 Posted : 04 March 2010 12:56:22(UTC)
ozzman

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Hello mahoose and welcome to the forum

I'd also like to know why Marklin doesn't make self-isolating turnouts, like Peco do, but the fact is that they don't. However if you look here:

http://www.zscale.org/

you might get a few clues about how to do something about it. Being a "it more or less has to work out of the box" modeller I haven't tried anything in that line myself.

I am VERY surprised that your Krokodils have such poor traction. My two will (individually) pull a rake of nine or ten wagons up a 3.5% gradient. Is your track clean? Do the wheels need to be cleaned? If you're looking for a real little goer in the electric loco line try an E44/Br144 (8811/88111). Supposedly one of the best mechanisms that Marklin have ever made. I'm such an enthusiast that I've now got five of them RollEyes

I have tried Bullfrog Snot myself and I know that it works.

Given that M* are in deep financial water at the moment we should consider ourselves lucky that they're still making Z scale at all. When the company is in better financial shape we can look forward to new and/or improved products in Z.
Gary
Z Scale
"Never let the prototype get in the way of a good layout"
Offline obxbill  
#3 Posted : 04 March 2010 23:49:08(UTC)
obxbill

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Welcome to the forum! I dabble in Z a bit as well as HO, OO, N and even O. I agree with Gary that the E44 is about the best Z lok out there. It spends more time on my tracks than any other. As for track, I use Micro trains track because it has roadbed included. The only minus is they don't offer much choices in their track line. Anyway, I'm sure there are others on this forum that can help you with almost any question. Certainly alot better than me! BigGrin

Bill
Marklin HO and Z also Hornby 00 and US 2-rail
Offline Breitenfurt  
#4 Posted : 05 March 2010 09:56:00(UTC)
Breitenfurt


Joined: 01/01/2008(UTC)
Posts: 874
Location: Scotland
Hi Mahoose, welcome to the forum and to the world of Z scale modelling.

I too asked about making Marklin turnouts self isolating but appreciate that the area of contact is very small and it could be unwise to rely on it alone. The downside can be seen on my website (see my sig.) but that's life.

I have very little experience of non-steamers but can vouch for the E44/BR144. Mine goes like the clappers and can pull a healthy train of wagons. However, in steam it is, strangely, the case of more driving wheels the less traction. My S3/6's (4-6-2) can pull up to nine short wheelbase bogie coaches at a push and definitely eight. However, my 2-10-0s can hardly pull anything. I did buy some Bullfrog Snot but haven't tried it yet as it looks a bit fiddly to apply and I am not sure how it would affect electrical pick-up. The only exception to the more wheels problem is the Borsig BR53.0 2-6-0+0-8-0 which happily pulled 34 4-wheeled wagons until it packed up after about and hour and was sent back to the factory for repair. It's first big test will be at an exhibition at Easter. However, you may be able to help things if there is space inside the body of croc to insert some lead weights of even Plastercine (sp.). I don't have that luxury. Also, I understand, a very light application of fine oil on the axle bearings on the rolling stock can help.

Good luck.

All the best,
Chris.
Offline steventrain  
#5 Posted : 06 March 2010 09:53:34(UTC)
steventrain

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Location: United Kingdom
Hi and Welcome to the forum, Mahoose.Smile
Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
Offline ztrack  
#6 Posted : 06 March 2010 17:20:42(UTC)
ztrack


Joined: 25/11/2005(UTC)
Posts: 124
Location: Dublin, OH
Mahoose,

Welcome. I am very surprised by the failure rate you are experiencing. The V200 should be very reliable. I find most Bo- Bo locomotives are superior in performance to steam locomotives. The trucks offer more flexibility than rigid frame steam locomotives. This failure rate is very much not typical of Marklin Z equipment. A few tips is to make sure you always keep you track clean and vacuum around the track to pick up loose debris, especially if you are doing scenery. It is VERY easy to pick up debris in the gears of Marklin Z locos. I highly recommend using a Guagemaster HF1 electronic track cleaner. It swear by these and the really improve the performance of my Z scale locomotives.

I actually like the fact that the Marklin points are not isolating. This has given me more flexibly in creating my layout. I have created block and isolate only the sections I want to, It is interesting, but Micro-Trains is now offering turnouts for Z. They also are not isolating. Plus, they don't play well with some Marklin equipment. One of my favorite aspects of the Marklin turnouts is that locomotives can 'push' through them if they are not set correctly. This is a great feature that allows you to use manual turnouts at the end of a siding. You don't have to worry about setting the points. I have a very large Z layout so this is important to me.

There is only one Z scale company offering traction tires. This is American Z Line. AZL offers traction tires on their GP7 and SD70 locomotives. The new brass Challengers will also have traction tires. They really do help. You are right about the Crocodiles. These are very poor performers when it comes to pulling. Extra weight can help, but there is little room under the shell to do so. I typically run consists of about a dozen freight cars and about 6 passenger cars. I don't use grades on my mainline. I do have grades on my branch lines. I have tested Bullfrog Snot and think the product is viable.

Marklin is not in the position to make changes to their track and locomotive design. Maybe in the future, but definitely not at this time. I would like to see Marklin emphasis operations more so in their designs. Companies like AZL and Micro-Trains are emphasizing operations. For instance, an AZL SD70 can easily pull over 25 cars. Double headed, 50 - 70 cars operations are achieved. It is amazing to see.

Rob

Ztrack Magazine Ltd.
The Magazine For Z Scale Model Railroading.
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Offline ozzman  
#7 Posted : 08 March 2010 02:01:34(UTC)
ozzman

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It's best to avoid putting Bullfrog Snot on the pickup wheels of locos, if you can avoid it. On Marklin six-coupled locos (eg 4-6-2s and 0-6-0s) the centre driving axle is non-pickup, and on ten-coupled locos (eg 2-10-0s) driving axles two and four are non-pickup. I don't know about eight-coupled locos.

I heartily agree with Chris about the mighty Borsig. What a champ! Mind you, it's heavy and it has 14 driving wheels.
Gary
Z Scale
"Never let the prototype get in the way of a good layout"
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