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Offline sebastian  
#1 Posted : 17 February 2010 15:23:17(UTC)
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Hi all,
Just out of curiosity, what's so special about the tin-plate cars Marklin is issuing this year as a one time only deal? Don't get me wrong, I just want to know more aboyut them. I haven't experienced tin-plate cars before, therefore I have to ask. Smile All I know is plastic cars. Will these tin-plates have more of a heavy feeling? Do they run smoother than the plastic ones? How about the detail level? Obviously they are heavier than the their plastic sibblings, but wouldn't the locos have to pull harder in this case, especially on an incline? These are just a few questions I have about them.
DRG, DB and SBB
Era II, III and IV
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Sebastian
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Offline RayF  
#2 Posted : 17 February 2010 15:42:09(UTC)
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Hi Sebastian.

They are not necessarily heavier than plastic cars. They do run very freely, in my experience.

Their main attraction is in nostalgia value. For many years these were the only passenger coaches Marklin made, and most older enthusuasts will have some of these. They also have the advantage, if you can call it that, that they are only 24cm long. At this length they look better going round sharp curves than longer coaches, and you can get a train with more different coaches in a shorter station.

In operation they are very forgiving of poor track, because of their compensated bogies.
Ray
Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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Offline supermoee  
#3 Posted : 17 February 2010 16:38:26(UTC)
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Hello,

for italian railways fans it is the only possibility to get FS cars from Märklin.

rgds

Stephan
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Offline sebastian  
#4 Posted : 17 February 2010 19:17:02(UTC)
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RayPayas wrote:
...They do run very freely, in my experience.

Their main attraction is in nostalgia value. For many years these were the only passenger coaches Marklin made, and most older enthusuasts will have some of these. They also have the advantage, if you can call it that, that they are only 24cm long. At this length they look better going round sharp curves than longer coaches, and you can get a train with more different coaches in a shorter station.

In operation they are very forgiving of poor track, because of their compensated bogies.


Thanks Ray. What do you mean run very freely? As well, what are compensated bogies?
It sounds like they will be a home run. I will see what do they look and feel like when they arrive at my dealer.

DRG, DB and SBB
Era II, III and IV
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Offline RayF  
#5 Posted : 17 February 2010 20:28:33(UTC)
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sebastian wrote:
RayPayas wrote:
...They do run very freely, in my experience.

Their main attraction is in nostalgia value. For many years these were the only passenger coaches Marklin made, and most older enthusuasts will have some of these. They also have the advantage, if you can call it that, that they are only 24cm long. At this length they look better going round sharp curves than longer coaches, and you can get a train with more different coaches in a shorter station.

In operation they are very forgiving of poor track, because of their compensated bogies.


Thanks Ray. What do you mean run very freely? As well, what are compensated bogies?
It sounds like they will be a home run. I will see what do they look and feel like when they arrive at my dealer.



They have metal wheels running in metal bogies. In my opinion they run with less friction than coaches with plastic bogies.

Compensated bogies are those where the bogie side frames are free to rotate slightly, so that the wheels can all go up and down independently of each other. On uneven track all four wheels in the bogie will always be in contact with the track, making derailments less likely.
Ray
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Offline Hemmerich  
#6 Posted : 17 February 2010 20:40:48(UTC)
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Offline mike c  
#7 Posted : 17 February 2010 21:30:17(UTC)
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supermoee wrote:
Hello,

for italian railways fans it is the only possibility to get FS cars from Märklin.

rgds

Stephan


Actually, I was able to order a Trix 23414 Set (3 Coaches) with AC wheelsets. Same coaches as the DB versions, but in gray with FS markings. Destination signs for the "Riviera Express".

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Offline Dreadnought  
#8 Posted : 18 February 2010 01:59:27(UTC)
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I think Ray has said it all.
I have old 24 cm tinplate I received in the 1950's and they run beautifully. I also have some shorter ones, perhaps 22 cm? of the same vintage . The only disadvantage is that they do not push as well particularly over switches (points). My theory is that because the coupler draw bar is attatched to the trucks they have do not take curves as well when pushed rather than pulled. This seems particularly true the longer the train.
The noise they make running at speed on my old M track layout takes me back to a long lost childhood, and age of innocence.
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#9 Posted : 18 February 2010 02:15:11(UTC)
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I'm certainly keen to get the train pack that ETS are selling - a 30210 V200 loco with 3 German tinplate cars for 199.99 euro. Very good value I would think.
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Offline PeterG  
#10 Posted : 18 February 2010 02:21:33(UTC)
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I'm really keen on the V200 with the German carriages too, but I also noticed a strange thing on the ETS price list which is that when sold individually, there is a huge price difference between some of them.
The DB carriages all cost 24.99, but then the SNCF and OeBB ones cost 69.99!!THen, the FS Italian carriage costs a huge 79.99!

Who can explain this enormous difference in price??
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Offline mike c  
#11 Posted : 18 February 2010 02:33:35(UTC)
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PeterG wrote:
I'm really keen on the V200 with the German carriages too, but I also noticed a strange thing on the ETS price list which is that when sold individually, there is a huge price difference between some of them.
The DB carriages all cost 24.99, but then the SNCF and OeBB ones cost 69.99!!THen, the FS Italian carriage costs a huge 79.99!

Who can explain this enormous difference in price??


I would assume that ETS (and other dealers) are basing the individual prices on the collectors' prices for similar items. The 4063 FS 1st class coach is one of the most valuable and harder to find models. So, the matching 2nd class coaches have a higher price. This is also partially due to the fact that Maerklin never did release this as a model before. I did order two to complete my 24cm train consist.

The DB coaches are probably reeditions of models which existed in large numbers, the SNCF, SNCB and OBB models were a little more rare.

Maybe somebody can confirm which models are exact reproductions, which are variation on existing models (new livery, etc) and which, if any (other than the FS coach) are new models that did not exist before?

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Mike C
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#12 Posted : 18 February 2010 03:19:06(UTC)
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Have a look at this Cave thread.

John Black posted (17/02/2010) a Marklin price list for the individual coaches from this set. It seems that the difference in price stems from Marklin.

http://marklincave.hobby...C_ID=297&whichpage=1
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Offline sebastian  
#13 Posted : 18 February 2010 04:38:39(UTC)
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Very informative. Definitely I will have very close look at these cars. If my dealer brings them. I asked him today and he said he's not sure if he brings them in. But sure they sound like something to consider.
Lutz, can you post a picture of the bogies? Thanks.
Cheers! ThumpUp
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Offline Hemmerich  
#14 Posted : 22 February 2010 12:47:13(UTC)
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Offline hxmiesa  
#15 Posted : 22 February 2010 14:04:43(UTC)
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Hemmerich wrote:
you've got a message.

Must be a secret picture!
Is Lutz secret cat¿?
Best regards
Henrik Hoexbroe ("The Dane In Spain")
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Offline Hemmerich  
#16 Posted : 22 February 2010 16:31:30(UTC)
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Offline sebastian  
#17 Posted : 22 February 2010 17:16:43(UTC)
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Hemmerich wrote:
Sebastian,

you've got a message.



Thanks Lutz. Where did you send it? PM or e-mail? I have not received anything yet.
DRG, DB and SBB
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#18 Posted : 22 February 2010 21:35:49(UTC)
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This is the bundle ETS are selling together with the 30210 and 3 tin plate coaches for 199.99 euro.

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