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Martin T		#1 Posted : 02 February 2010 13:56:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 878 Location: Stockholm, Sweden		Hi all Maerklin friends! We all know that it's said that the cable on the Mobile Station must not be extended. I'm thinking if someone here tried to do so anyway and what the results were. The reason for asking is (of course) that I feel that the cable is too short. I simply cannot reach over my shunting yard when holding the MS in my hand. If I move the connector box to another location, then I cannot reach the main station instead. I guess many of you have experienced the same.. Regards / Martin
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dmeephd		#2 Posted : 02 February 2010 15:49:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 10 Location: Milford, New Jersey		Martin T wrote: Hi all Maerklin friends! We all know that it's said that the cable on the Mobile Station cannot be longer. I'm thinking if someone here tried anyway and what the results were. The reason for asking is (of course) that I feel that the cable is too short. I simply cannot reach over my shunting yard when holding the MS in my hand. If I move the connector box to another location, then I cannot reach the main station instead. I guess many of you have experienced the same.. Regards / Martin There are at least three ways to extend the cable. The first, and easiest (albeit not without some research and expense) would be to purchase a ready-made cable with male and female DIN connectors, wired pin-to-pin. (I have found such cabling online when I was wiring up a German-made Baehr Communications systems that used DIN plugs for my BMW motorcycle.) The second is to buy ready-to-solder DIN connectors, acquire the necessary shielded cable, and make your own extension. Buy the same DIN connectors as used by the MS1, and wire the connectors pin-to-pin. Given the amperage used by the MS1, I expect that one could extend the cable by at least 2m before experiencing any signal attenuation or power loss. Finally, one could simply cut the existing cable, and insert a new shielded cable in between the cut, soldering and making good use of heat shrink tubing. Simply wire point-to-point, and do not forget to continue the shield - usually a metallic foil. This latter method is, of course, more or less permanent, and is difficult to retreat from if you make an error.
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Martin T		#3 Posted : 02 February 2010 17:06:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 878 Location: Stockholm, Sweden		Hi David! Thank you for your respond! "I expect that one could extend the cable by at least 2m before experiencing any signal attenuation or power loss" 2 extra meter on the master MS would make a world of a difference to me. Regards / Martin
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dmeephd		#4 Posted : 02 February 2010 18:37:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 10 Location: Milford, New Jersey		Martin T wrote: Hi David! Thank you for your respond! "I expect that one could extend the cable by at least 2m before experiencing any signal attenuation or power loss" 2 extra meter on the master MS would make a world of a difference to me. Regards / Martin I'm sure that it would, as I have experienced the same limitations. With all of my other projects, this seemed like a low priority that I was hoping would be made redundant by a wireless MS. Alas, that does not appear to be forthcoming this year, so I too will probably be looking for those connectors on the internet soon.
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H0		#5 Posted : 02 February 2010 19:11:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,463 Location: DE-NW		Hi, Martin! Martin T wrote: I guess many of you have experienced the same.. I think someone on Stummi's forum made a long cable for a slave MS. IIRC the reason was that 7-pin plugs are easier to get. And you only need 4 cables with low current. You can buy a 60124 adapter from M*, cut it apart and extend that. That'll work only if you have 2 MSs, of course. Remember that the full power from the transformer flows to the master MS and back again to the track. Bear that in mind when extending the master MS cable.
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clapcott		#6 Posted : 02 February 2010 20:50:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,448 Location: Wellington, New_Zealand		Concur If using a Central Station, Marklin state the system bus can be 100m. As there is no amplification in the terminals (60125) that they provide for extensions, then a single cable ,of suitable sheilding/quality, could theoretically also be up to 100m Note: Slightly off topic. With the MS2 (60653) having a "lit" display and potentially drawing more current/load, the distance and number of devices on the bus may be reduced. Haven't seen any specs on this.
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Caplin		#7 Posted : 03 February 2010 01:13:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,497 Location: Denmark		Martin hi You might find these pages useful. The first one is in German but you may try the Google translate. It deals with MS1 issues. The second one deals with the Mini-DIN connectors, look right at the bottom under 10-pin (b). MS-1 Mini-DIN As to your cable issue, I found out a strange thing. The cable on my MS1 has imprinted the manuf. and partnumber: HAURTIAN E164535 D. This you can Google search for it and it finds a 2 m extension cable (just what we need) but unfortunately equipped with different (square) connectors! Also found on eBay: E164535 Cable
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H0		#8 Posted : 03 February 2010 01:43:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,463 Location: DE-NW		clapcott wrote: As there is no amplification in the terminals (60125) that they provide for extensions, then a single cable ,of suitable sheilding/quality, could theoretically also be up to 100m True for the slave MS, probably not true for master MS (or you need a really thick wire).
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dmeephd		#9 Posted : 03 February 2010 01:47:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 10 Location: Milford, New Jersey		Caplin wrote: Martin hi You might find these pages useful. The first one is in German but you may try the Google translate. It deals with MS1 issues. The second one deals with the Mini-DIN connectors, look right at the bottom under 10-pin (b). MS-1 Mini-DIN As to your cable issue, I found out a strange thing. The cable on my MS1 has imprinted the manuf. and partnumber: HAURTIAN E164535 D. This you can Google search and it finds a 10' extension cable (just what we need) but unfortunately equipped with different (square) connectors! Also found on eBay: E164535 Cable Here's a source for ready-made 7-Pin Mini-DIN extension cables (M/F): http://www.stockcable.com/md7p.shtml
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Caplin		#10 Posted : 03 February 2010 01:57:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,497 Location: Denmark		dmeephd wrote: ... buy ready-to-solder DIN connectors, acquire the necessary shielded cable, and make your own extension. Buy the same DIN connectors as used by the MS1, and wire the connectors pin-to-pin. Given the amperage used by the MS1, I expect that one could extend the cable by at least 2m before experiencing any signal attenuation or power loss. Did you manage to find the manuf. and part numbers for the Mini-DIN male/female?
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Caplin		#11 Posted : 03 February 2010 02:54:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,497 Location: Denmark		dmeephd wrote: Here's a source for ready-made 7-Pin Mini-DIN extension cables (M/F): http://www.stockcable.com/md7p.shtml Thanks for the link. This cable is for extending the MS to CS adapter (short) cable in the CS end. I don't know if this is what Martin is looking for, but I have been looking for an extension cable for the MS cable itself (MS to Ugly box) with this 10-pin MiniDIN male/female:
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Martin T		#12 Posted : 03 February 2010 11:12:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 878 Location: Stockholm, Sweden		Hi! Thank you for very helpful advice! I have 2 Mobile Stations. One Master and one Slave. Yes, it's an extension between the MS and the Ugly box I intend to make. Very good point to extend the SLAVE and keep the MASTER short. I'll go for that. I'm handy with my soldering iron, so I'll probably buy the connectors here at some local shop + shielded cable and make the cable extension myself. Regards / Martin
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Purellum		#13 Posted : 03 February 2010 11:21:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,528 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		I have this idea: On your uglybox you remove the slave-connector. On a second uglybox you do the same + remove most of "everything else inside". From the now empty space in uglybox-1 you connect a cable, going to uglybox-2 Now you have two uglyboxes, both with the right connector for MS. Of course you have to connect the wires correct I'm not home right now, so I can't look trough my notes. I hope this makes sense. Per. P.S: In case you need extra uglyboxes, I have many
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Caplin		#14 Posted : 03 February 2010 19:25:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,497 Location: Denmark		Purellum wrote: I'm not home right now, so I can't look trough my notes. What will your notes reveal? cont... wrote: In case you need extra uglyboxes, I have many At what price?
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Purellum		#15 Posted : 03 February 2010 20:07:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,528 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Quote: What will your notes reveal? Some of it you can see here; originally posted here on November 30, 2005: (Quote.) There are 8 wires going to the mobstat. On a single master that is: The green wire supply positive power from the uglybox The blue wire supply negative power from the uglybox The black wire is power output, that becomes the red wire after the uglybox The amber wire is power output, that becomes the brown wire after the uglybox When a slave is added: The violet from the master goes to the violet of the slave ( BUS ) The yellow from the master goes to the yellow of the slave ( BUS ) The brown from the master goes to the brown of the slave The red from the master goes to the red and the blue of the slave ( The brown and red from the master carries a voltage of 21,5_V_DC, with the brown being the positive. ) Beware: The colors of the wires in the "7 to 10" pole connection cable are not the same as the colors of the wires in the mobstat-cable!!! I hope that this makes sense, otherwise, ask again!!! ( I don't mind making a scheme, it's just a lot of work, and I am allergic ) (/Quote.) I will see if I can find time in the weekend to make a scheme, if anybody is interested. Quote: At what price? A big glass of beer Per.
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Dreadnought		#16 Posted : 04 February 2010 05:20:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 422 Location: Niagara, Ontario		dmeephd wrote: Here's a source for ready-made 7-Pin Mini-DIN extension cables (M/F): http://www.stockcable.com/md7p.shtml David, Forgive what may be a dumb question, (my speciality). Do the "Stockcable" extensions fit between the CS2 and the slave MS? If so it is the answer to my many requests of my fairy godmother. I am confused by the talk between "square" and "round" that is raised in this thread. Cutting an splicing seven or more cables is more than I can safely do, and would likely explode my CS and MS Thank you in advance for your answer. Edited by moderator 07 February 2010 01:49:21(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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Caplin		#17 Posted : 04 February 2010 12:26:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,497 Location: Denmark		Totally OT, sorry. To Dreadnought. If you edit your post #16 by adding a space between shtml and the quoted line comes out right. Just a hint. I see that you have done it. Looks OK now. Edited by user 04 February 2010 18:25:19(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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Purellum		#18 Posted : 04 February 2010 17:06:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,528 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		WHAT ABOUT MY BEER ??? Per.
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Caplin		#19 Posted : 04 February 2010 18:31:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,497 Location: Denmark		Per, it keeps itself cold in this weather. Martin, I am very interested to hear what you finally decides to do, and if you find the Mini-DIN male/female connectors.
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Dreadnought		#20 Posted : 05 February 2010 05:23:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 422 Location: Niagara, Ontario		Caplin wrote: Totally OT, sorry. To Dreadnought. If you edit your post #16 by adding a space between shtml and the quoted line comes out right. Just a hint. I see that you have done it. Looks OK now. Hello Benny, I am afraid I do not understand what I should have done. Thank you for giving me credit for fixing whatever it was, and the "thumbs up". I am afraid I did nothing. Somehow the problem cleared itself up. Feel free to continue to give lessons. Hopefully I will catch on in the end. D
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Dreadnought		#21 Posted : 06 February 2010 17:54:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 422 Location: Niagara, Ontario		Good News!! A trip to the local Marklin dealer got the answer. The 60126 extension cable, (C$ 18) fits between the MS and the CS2. It works beautifully. No splice, no muss, no fuss!
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H0		#22 Posted : 07 February 2010 01:09:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,463 Location: DE-NW		Dreadnought wrote: The 60126 extension cable, (C$ 18) fits between the MS and the CS2. Did you also buy a 60125? According to the product database, 60126 has 9-pin plug and socket, while MS has 10-pin plug. You can use a 60126 cable between a 60125 terminal and the Central Station and you can plug a MS into the 60125 terminal (with a 60124 adapter). I'm afraid this won't work for a MS connected to an UglyBox™.
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Bigdaddynz		#23 Posted : 07 February 2010 10:13:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,778 Location: New Zealand		Some related information that may be of use.... http://www.toottoot.co.n...nnection%20Box%20vi5.pdf http://www.toottoot.co.n...n%20Box%20Lead%20vi5.pdf
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clapcott		#24 Posted : 07 February 2010 10:22:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,448 Location: Wellington, New_Zealand		H0 wrote: Dreadnought wrote: The 60126 extension cable, (C$ 18) fits between the MS and the CS2. Did you also buy a 60125? Ditto ????? Or did you perform some surgery
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Dreadnought		#25 Posted : 07 February 2010 16:35:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 422 Location: Niagara, Ontario		Surgery would be beyond my abilities. The dealer took out the 60126, and tested it between his CS2 and the MS. It worked. I bought it, took it home plugged the MS into it, and it into the CS2.I did not need any extra boxes, or adaptors. It plugs in just as the MS does to the front of the CS2 I have no idea if it works for the "ugly track", (C track adaptor)but if it plugs into the MS, I should think it would. Mine is now exteded and running beautifully. One time the MS became unplugged, I think it was not in firmly enough.
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Dreadnought		#26 Posted : 07 February 2010 16:36:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 422 Location: Niagara, Ontario		P.S. No I did not buy the 60125 connector. It was not needed.
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H0		#27 Posted : 07 February 2010 17:41:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,463 Location: DE-NW		Dreadnought wrote: The dealer took out the 60126, and tested it between his CS2 and the MS. It worked. If you can put a square peg into a round hole, you can also plug a 10-pin plug into a 9-pin socket and a 9-pin plug into a 10-pin sockets. An MS connected to a CS only needs 4 pins, so losing some pins doesn't matter much. But that's what must have happened here: pins that were bend or have been pushed into the socket. With a 60125, all pins are in the right place.
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Dreadnought		#28 Posted : 08 February 2010 06:25:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 422 Location: Niagara, Ontario		I did not count the pins on either. I did not have to take any out. They fit perfectly. The holes were all round, so not a problem Even a tech no mind, me, could do it. The 60126 fit perfectly at each end. You might say made for the job. I don't know about a CS1 or the "ugly box", but CS2 to MS, perfect fit.
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Caplin		#29 Posted : 08 February 2010 14:51:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,497 Location: Denmark		H0 wrote: Dreadnought wrote: The dealer took out the 60126, and tested it between his CS2 and the MS. It worked. If you can put a square peg into a round hole, you can also plug a 10-pin plug into a 9-pin socket and a 9-pin plug into a 10-pin sockets. An MS connected to a CS only needs 4 pins, so losing some pins doesn't matter much. But that's what must have happened here: pins that were bend or have been pushed into the socket. With a 60125, all pins are in the right place. Must admit that I am quite confused now. Is it possible to have a close-up picture of both ends (end views) of the 60126 extension cable showing the pin/plug positions so one can see exactly what kind of 9-pole male/female is used. Thanks in advance.
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Purellum		#30 Posted : 08 February 2010 20:41:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,528 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		I'm confused too How long is your 60126 ??? Per.
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clapcott		#31 Posted : 08 February 2010 21:01:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,448 Location: Wellington, New_Zealand		Purellum wrote: How long is your 60126 ??? 2000mm Not the best picture, However if you consider the actual pins/sockets are arranged in 3 row - 10 pin (MS) = 3(top),4(middle),3(bottom) - 9 pin (MS) = 2(top),4(middle),3(bottom) the casing is same, as are the alignment of the middle and bottom rows. But it is a stretch to bend the 2 (of the 3) pins of the top row of the 10 pin plug(MS) into 2 holes of the 9 pin connector of the 60126 extension cable . Which way do you bend? left or right ?
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Purellum		#32 Posted : 08 February 2010 21:28:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,528 Location: Mullerup, 4200 Slagelse		Peter, my question was meant to determine if it really is a 60126 Dreadnought has..... Per.
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Dreadnought		#33 Posted : 09 February 2010 01:39:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 422 Location: Niagara, Ontario		Hello Per, I tried for a picture, but getting it onto the computer, never mind onto this thread was beyond me. Please accept my apologies. Given the quality picture I take, I doubt it would have been much help anyway. It is the 60126 I bought. The dealer opened the MArklin package, and tested it on his CS2and MS. He had to do this, as I had been following this thread and did not think it possible. He was very patient with me, and willing to humour me. The package has the 60126 number, and says, "Extension cable for 60125 terminal" on the front. I did not buy the 60125, It was not necessary. If I look at Peter's picture, my 60126 looks like the cable on the left, not the one on the right. The cable fits perfectly into my CS2, and my MS. The pins are arranged: three-top, four-middle, three-bottom. The three bottom are asymetrical, as in the picture. The plugs are circular, as in the left side cable in Peter's picture. I did not have to do anything to the cable. I did not bend any pins, nor did I remove any pins. I did not splice the cable or the plugs. It fit just as it came from the package. I apologise if it is not clear. Please feel free to keep asking questions. I will do my best to explain. If all else fails you can come to Canada and I will let you have a look at it. Our winter is easier than yours this year! D
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Dreadnought		#34 Posted : 09 February 2010 01:51:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 422 Location: Niagara, Ontario		P.S. My 2009/2010 catalog (English version)has the 60126 on page 315. It describes it as "9 pin socket and a 9 pin plug". It also says it is 2 meters long, 79 inches.
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H0		#35 Posted : 09 February 2010 01:55:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,463 Location: DE-NW		Hi! Dreadnought wrote: The pins are arranged: three-top, four-middle, three-bottom. My 60126 has three on top, four in the middel, two at the bottom - like the one on Peter's picture. That matches the documentation (9-pin plug and socket).
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Caplin		#36 Posted : 09 February 2010 03:53:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,497 Location: Denmark		H0 wrote: Hi! Dreadnought wrote: The pins are arranged: three-top, four-middle, three-bottom. My 60126 has three on top, four in the middel, two at the bottom - like the one on Peter's picture. That matches the documentation (9-pin plug and socket). I find it hard to see that we are talking about the same cable number here
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Caplin		#37 Posted : 09 February 2010 04:19:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,497 Location: Denmark		Hi Peter Sorry still to be unclear about this. "Borrowed" your picture to add numbers to it. Which two numbers belong to the 60126 cable? #1 and #2 presumably. I count 9 in both ends. If #4 has 10 pins (very hard to see) and belongs with #3 then this is the cable, I am looking for to extend the MS cable 10 pin male into the UglyBox 10 pin female. Do you have a source/part number for that? Or did I mixup the #'s wrongly?
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clapcott		#38 Posted : 09 February 2010 11:26:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,448 Location: Wellington, New_Zealand		OK, sorry, my ups and downs are mixed up and not pictured consistently #1 = 60126 - Female 9 holes #2 = 60126 - Male 9 pins #3 = 10 holes - connector shown in photo is from 60124 (short MS master->Slave adapter) - same connection as 24088 (UglyBox),60111 ,CS2(front) #4 = 10 pins - picture is from an MS What I am hearing in this thread is that somehow it is possible ... - to plug #4 (MS 10 pin 3/4/3 ) into #1 (60126 as extension cord 9 hole 2/4/3) <-- NOGO and at the other end of the 60126, - plug #2 into the 9-pin system bus connector at the rear of the CS2 (next to the RJ45 ethernet connector) <-- this is OK - plug #2 into a socket like #3 <-- NOGO
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Dreadnought		#39 Posted : 10 February 2010 00:50:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 422 Location: Niagara, Ontario		I have to apologise to all of you. I have missed the point of your questions. Let me try again. Looking at the picture as numbered by Benny, the 60126 looks like numbers 1 and 2. It has nine pins, and nine holes on the socket. The socket for the MS on my CS2 is on the front of the CS2. There are two sockets,to the right and left, and beneath the large "STOP" button. They are 10 hole sockets. They look like what Benny has numbered as 3. The plug on the MS cable has ten pins. It looks like number 4 on Benny's numbering. Having begged you to forgive the confusion I have caused, allow me repeat it works!! I plugged it in, not having realised the difference. Looking at the plugs and sockets, I canot see any damage. I can only assume the extra pin, somehow misses the edge of the socket. Nothing appears bent or broken. Functions and controls seem to work with no problem. Like the stopped clock that is right twice a day, the Dreadnought can accidently get it right, even if by accident. I hope I do not run into a futur problem. I would be grateful if anyone thinks I will, to be told. I hope I have made it clear. Please continue to ask if it is not.
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