Hello,

I just found this link. I hope this helps a little.

NO (new) Mobile Station in 2009.

http://www.modellbahnecke.de/Sortimentsinfo.pdf

Many regards,

Hans

( Edited because link did not work any longer. New link:

http://catalog.lokshop.de/MAR/2009_updates1.pdf. Thanks to Steventrain)

My German is a bit rusty. My understanding is that the development/production of the MS2 is postponed to 2010. Are the startersets containing the new MS2 accordingly postponed as well, or are they cancelled altogether?

Märklin wrote:
"Die Einführung der neuen Mobile Station wird auf 2010 verschoben. Deshalb werden folgende Startpackungen ebenfalls nicht gefertigt."
Translation: Introduction of new Mobile Station postponed to 2010. The starter sets won't be produced.

They are cancelled for now. I wouldn't be surprised if some of them were re-announced in 2010.

The Marklin database wesite have now update today.

Seems to me that Mother is killing or postponing all new developments and tooling. One one hand it makes sense (maximize return on what you already have), on the other, can they really take one year off of doing something new?

Not really: BR 23, BR 39, BR 110, BR 140 are not postponed.

And we're still waiting for Rh. 1216 (announced more than one year ago).

They need quick returns if they want to survive. So I hope this is a step in the right direction.
I received an order confirmation today - delivery expected in October and December 2009 respectively. I'm optimistic that Märklin will still be around by that time.

There may be a case for not making any new items this year and just sorting out the mess that the firm is in. Messing around with customers just drives them away.
I would not mind waiting until 2010 for new models if it means the firm can start to be run properly.

That's the real & crucial question .

I don't actually see this as being so bad at all.

As is, there is already plenty on Marklin's already released items that are still on my wish list. This will actually give some breathing space for me and allow more proper 'buy plans' rather than being rushed to get all the new items. So I don't see that I'm going to spend any less this year.

Hey, new items like the Re 6/6 is good and all... but for me, it won't actually meant that I would spend more. No, my FD would kill me .
I would actually just postpone the acquisition plan on some items to get the newer ones that I wanted more.

And surprise, surprise, I don't have any plan to get any of the One time series item this year.

The 37320 and 37321 delay until 2010.

So what is interesting to me is that some of the starter sets with the MS2 are not canceled. If you look at the email someone posted from RJF Trains who is also my dealer you will see you can still get the following (Includes MS2):

29534 - "Freight Train" Digital Starter Set DB - Germany
Metal Locomotive Frame Digital locomotives with high-efficieny propulsion Digital decoder with additional digitally controlled functions (F1-F4) Triple headlights that change over with the direction of travel New organization of European railroads and modernization 1945 - 1970
Pre-order price: $ 289.00
Freight Train Digital Starter Set


Digital Functions
6020 6021 Mobile Station Central Station

Headlight(s) X X X X
TELEX coupler(s) X X X
Direct control X X X

Prototype: Federal Railroad (DB) class 86 tank locomotive and 5 freight cars.

Model: The locomotive has a digital decoder, controlled high-efficiency propulsion, and Telex couplers for remote-controlled switching. The triple headlights change over with the direction of travel, will work in conventional operation, and can be controlled digitally. The train comes with 1 boxcar, 1 stake car, 1 gondola, 1 tank car, and 1 baggage car. The cars have Relex couplers. Train length 75.5 cm / 29-3/4". Contents: 14 no. 24130 curved track, 9 no. 24188 straight track, 11 no. 24172 straight track, 1 pair of no. 24671 and no. 24672 curved turnouts, 1 no. 24612 right turnout, 1 no. 24224 curved track, and 1 no. 24977 track bumper. Track connector box. 230 volt / 18 VA transformer. Mobile Station. The set comes with an illustrated instruction book with many tips and ideas. A "Warehouse" cardstock cut-out sheet is also included. This set can be expanded with the C Track extension sets and with the entire C Track program. The 74490 electric turnout mechanism can be installed in the turnouts.

Highlights:

* The way to get started in the digital world of Märklin.
* New Mobile Station included.
* Locomotive includes controlled high-efficiency propulsion
* Includes TELEX couplers for switching maneuvers.

Thanks for that news though that is a bummer :(

I would have thought that the basis for items being cancelled would be based on Initial order placement for the year, and projected sales using the pre-orders as an indicator of what will be profitable this year.

Prehaps they are looking at the order book, and rationalising the products based on that.
It would seem to me that that is the most likely way to get the company back on the right path.

Cheers...

Mike.

I'm sure Mike is right. In fact the cancellations and postponements don't really surprise me, much as we might all regret them. Surely it is better to have fewer new models than no Marklin at all?

excepted contributor's comments , I haven't seen any postponement or cancellation of The MS 2 itself as a single reference...In fact I haven't seen anything about it .
From a business/marketing point of view , It appears to me that there is more sense to sell MS 2 as a single item first ( finding customers in the segment of those "who absolutely want it" ) and then, later, in a second step : to sell it with startsets !
Instead of selling it immediately and launching it as a part of a starter set !
IMO , launching it as a part of a starter set could be a marketing mistake...It could be a good option only on a market in expansion...
At the time thay have plan the launching of MS2 , the "worldwide economical crisis " was probably not known as it is today.

Well, it depends on wether you want to make lots of money on the MS2 (not a bad thing) or just make a little money, but draw in lots of people to the system, tie them down as Märklin users. Then attractive and cheap starter sets with the MS2 would be logical.

Newbies go to their dealer and hear that MS1 can only handle 10 locos and 0 switches and will compare this with Roco MM, Fleischmann Profi Boss, Piko controller and and and ...
With 2 MS2 you can handle 20+2 locos and switches which is much better than MS1.

Märklin fans with transformer, Delta, or MS1 might go for a MS2. But I'm not sure if that really is a large number.
They'd feel ripped off later when they pay 160 Euro for a single MS2 to find 'em for 40 Euro from starter sets a few months later.

It takes programmers to develop MS2. But they also need programmers to add new features to CS2 (not to mention the bugs that need to be fixed).
This may be another reason for the postponement: improve CS2 before launching MS2.

Just a wild guess.
MS1 has an RRP of 149,95 Euro.

I'm surprised that electric lok 3600 CFL - ref T22366 from Trix- is cancelled , while the same 3600 CFL - ref 37334 from Marklin - is not cancelled .
Did Mr Pluta noticed that Trix & Marklin are sometimes sharing same models ? There is something I don't understand in their motives or logics . Or may be it's an error...?...

Personally I would never buy any digital controller unless included in some sort of starterset. Regarding the splitting up of startersets into individual items, I did buy an extra Alco PA-1 New York Central to supplement the 29575 starterset as I would like to drive the 2 engines in "vorspann". Though I still miss the box for the extra engine, I, on the other hand did get it cheap, and I can easilly understand why retaillers do it. While their revenue gets bigger that way, the customers get it cheaper. In Denmark there are over 100 Euros saved when buying a MS from a starterset just to make an example.
(Ps-I hope my english is not too bad).

Thanks a lot, Bigdaddy from New Zealand.
By the way, I just love "footrot Flats" by Murray Ball,
my favourite character being the cat Horse.

I see they have a list of cancelled items on www.eurorailhobbies.com [:(]

Darren

Dont you mean 100 kroner? (13,5€)
I know that Denmark is expensive, but 100€ is around 750 kroner!?

PS: Your english is terrible!

Hej Henrik. No I mean 100 Euros. Nettog.dk charge only Kr. 299,00 for a MS from a starterset, and the savings are even bigger when bought with one of the transformers.

Further OT I have a collection of Footrot Flats Books