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Offline WelshMatt  
#1 Posted : 22 October 2008 03:04:14(UTC)
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I've just ordered a 66032 kit to convert my 3323 to digital. However, I could do with some spares and was wondering if anyone has part numbers? I need a couple of pantographs (it has one damaged blackened one and one perfect silver one) and would like to fit the modern style close coupling heads in place of the stamped metal ones it currently has. I know later versions of this loco had these, but I'm not sure what type. Are they the same as those used on the 4100 series coaches?

Matt from Wales.

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Offline RayF  
#2 Posted : 22 October 2008 10:40:17(UTC)
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Matt,

Looking in the Marklin spare parts database:

http://www.maerklin.com/...search/spare_parts.html#

The pantographs for this loco are 226600, which comes up as a 7219 single arm pantograph, available in stock at Marklin.

The 3430 has the newer close couplers with NEM pockets, and I believe are just a simple swap for the original.

The coupler pocket is 404020 and the coupler head is a standard NEM one 701630 individually, or 7203 for a pack of 50.

Hope this helps,

Ray
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Offline WelshMatt  
#3 Posted : 22 October 2008 11:40:54(UTC)
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Thanks Ray - I wasn't sure if those were the right pantographs. I did look a while ago but they didn't quite seem to match what it already has. Will order them after I've got the decoder installed and working as intended.

Matt from Wales.

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Offline RayF  
#4 Posted : 22 October 2008 11:54:36(UTC)
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Matt, the pantographs quoted may not match the originals. I would buy 2 and swap them both.

The 3430, which is a newer model, has different pantos fitted. The number for these is 644240.

I have no idea what the difference is. I might go through my old catalogues if I get a chance and see if I can spot the difference.

Ray
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Offline WelshMatt  
#5 Posted : 22 October 2008 14:29:13(UTC)
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Problem is, Marklin's photos of the pantographs (which every other site uses) are just square-on side views. They don't show any detail of the structure of the thing beyond the fact that it's a single arm one rather than scissors.

Edit, just had a bit of a rummage and found a better photo. Looks like 7219 is the right part after all. It would help if Marklin changed the photo on their site for one showing the part from various angles! Smile
Matt from Wales.

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Offline intruder  
#6 Posted : 22 October 2008 19:58:59(UTC)
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Also Märklin Archiv indicates blackened single arm pantographs, as the 7219.

On the other hand, so it does for 3430...
Best regards Svein, Norway
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Offline mmervine  
#7 Posted : 23 October 2008 00:54:01(UTC)
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Lutz:

What an impressive collection! I only have one of these re446 (Swisscom #34305), but was thinking about getting another.

r/mark
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Offline WelshMatt  
#8 Posted : 23 October 2008 01:16:07(UTC)
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They do look good Lutz - snag is that getting any spares is difficult here. I can get the standard pantographs from Gaugemaster but not those.

Mark, they're great locos. All metal and an interesting oddball as only a handful were built. Mine was the third Marklin loco I bought and is being converted as the anti-jolt circuit plays havoc if I try to run it on my 6600 controlled shuttle line, so it hardly gets run at the moment. It'll put a few miles under the wheels after conversion!

I plan to use it with either a set of orange Eurofimas or some suitable SBB stock.
Matt from Wales.

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Offline intruder  
#9 Posted : 23 October 2008 01:24:58(UTC)
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Lutz, can you tell us about the light enhancement?

I have the 34302 (converted with 60901) and would like to rebuild to the Swiss light change.
Best regards Svein, Norway
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Offline mmervine  
#10 Posted : 23 October 2008 02:44:40(UTC)
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Lutz...thanks for the photo of the prototype!
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Offline seatrains  
#11 Posted : 23 October 2008 07:50:50(UTC)
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Lutz, nice work! In the U.S.A., we would call that "customizing". Love the swiss loks, model & 1:1. Thanks
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Offline mmervine  
#12 Posted : 24 October 2008 03:51:40(UTC)
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Lutz:

Did you upgrade the motors and decoders in yours or are they still DELTA? Mine is DELTA, but it seems to run smooth.

r/mark
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Offline mike c  
#13 Posted : 25 October 2008 05:17:18(UTC)
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The SBB and SOB versions of the Re 4/4IV (Re 446) have always had the standard BBC single arm pantograph. It is possible that one or two of the loks were used to test the new type pantographs prior to the introduction of the Re 460s, but in normal operation, the loks were not equipped with these pantos.
The correct pantographs for this model would be either the ones from the Roco Re 6/6, or the standard BBC model from Sommerfeldt. I wonder if the base plate and panto for the 3434 Re 4/4II can be installed on the Re 4/4IV model.
I have replaced my Maerklin 3328 with Roco's model of the 10103, as well as the standard red SOB version (446 018), Tesa (446 017) and Seedamm (446 016). The Tesa and Seedamm loks have ESU decoders, the others work only in analog. I have not yet converted any of the Roco loks to the correct pantographs either.
I would like to see a model of this lok in the new SOB colors. Staiber was supposed to make a version (Repaint) a few years back, but it seems that the model never saw the light of day.
Still, the Re 446s look very nice pulling my SOB/BT EWIV and Voralpen Express coaches.
@Lutz, the SOB loks had to pull a test train as part of their acceptance by the SOB. This test had the trains operating as part of the SBB network for those runs. Aside from that, they have been used for sonderzuege (private trains) and with some SBB coaches (ie Gipfeli Express Einsiedeln to Zuerich Altstetten). It was not normal use for them to haul SBB rolling stock outside of normal scheduled traffic. I have seen photos of the Swisscom lok hauling SBB EC coaches on a special train, but no photos of SBB stock other than EWI and EWII on the Gipfeli run. If you have other photos, I would love to see them.

Regards

Mike C
Offline mmervine  
#14 Posted : 25 October 2008 05:34:27(UTC)
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Mike:

In looking at the Tee-USA website, HAG seems to make several of these in different paint schemes, but they are listed as re456's? Can you explain?

r/mark
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Offline WelshMatt  
#15 Posted : 26 October 2008 02:57:21(UTC)
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Glad to hear they behave well with a 6080 as the decoder I've ordered is the final Delta one (add a couple of dabs of solder and it's a 6080 in all but name).

I've just realised that I haven't the faintest idea of the technical side of these locos. Were they multi-voltage? Did they wander out of Switzerland on EC services?

They also look surprisingly good with the 1960s Rheingold set, despite being about twenty years too late for it!
Matt from Wales.

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Offline mike c  
#16 Posted : 28 October 2008 03:13:40(UTC)
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The Re 4/4IVs were commissioned in the early 1980s as the successor to the successful Re 4/4II/III series. In order to test the new design, the SBB committed to ordering four prototypes. At the same time, the SBB commissioned a further series of Re 4/4II (11371-11397).
The Re 4/4IVs were delivered starting in 1982. They were stationed in Lausanne and were mostly used on the Vallorbe-Domodossola and Geneva-Domodossola routes, although they were also infrequently used on other routes.
The locomotives were designed for use within the SBB network and never saw use outside of Switzerland. The loks could be seen pulling Swiss domestic and international consists, ranging from Lightsteel, EWI, II and IV coaches, Eurofima coaches, as well as TEE coaches from Italy and France (Mistral 69) along with other international consists.
Beginning in 1994, these loks were sold to the SOB in exchange for the Re 4/4III 42-44 (11351-53) and SOB 41.
The SOB did conduct some tests around 2001 with Re 446 016 in the region (Germany) around Basel after the dissolution of Lokpool, possibly with the idea of retaining some of the services that had previously been operated by that company.
At present, the Re 4/4IV (446) now haul passenger and freight loads on the SOB and parts of the SBB network. At least one lok has been used regularly with the Voralpen Express trains, another with the Gipfeli Express, and recently with postal trains as well.
As the SOB shifts more and more passenger services to the Flirt trainsets, the Re 446 are available for more freight duties.

Regards

Mike C

Re 4/4IV - Mistral 69 Coaches (TEE Cisalpin)
Re 4/4IV - SBB/FS Eurofima Coaches (IC J-J Rousseau)
Re 4/4IV - FS TEE Coaches (TEE Lemano)

Re 446 - SOB EWIV (MAR42161, RO 44348/44349 or RO44968/44969)
Re 446 - SOB EWI (HAG726/728)
Offline WelshMatt  
#17 Posted : 28 October 2008 11:49:46(UTC)
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The decoder arrived yesterday and has been fitted, works perfectly on analog, now to wait for my new digital controller to turn up.
Matt from Wales.

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Offline mmervine  
#18 Posted : 28 October 2008 23:50:44(UTC)
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Since mine seems to run pretty well as a DELTA unit, I was thinking of just upgrading with a hamo magnet and LP3. Thoughts?
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Offline WelshMatt  
#19 Posted : 29 October 2008 01:44:33(UTC)
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Well mine is on a 66032 and behaves well on analog. I know it will be different on digital but comparing it to my 6080-fitted BR 120 I'm expecting it to behave pretty well. I didn't fancy 60760 as I now have no way to program the decoder in that kit, and I've heard that they can be a bit flaky.
Matt from Wales.

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Offline intruder  
#20 Posted : 30 October 2008 23:58:39(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich

Svein, light enhancement is not very difficult:


Thanks, Lutz. I will see what I can do, maybe with small LEDs.
I allready removed the interior to install interior light.
Best regards Svein, Norway
grumpy old sod
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