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What is the difference between C, K and M Track?
Joined: 01/10/2008(UTC) Posts: 3 Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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I am just getting into older Marklin HO scale and am a little confused with the three types of HO Track? Can someone explain to me what the difference is between them? I am rather confused? I, also have been given a Marklin 4-6-2 Green Locomotive and Tender with the No. 3673 on the locomotive and on the Cabin are the following - S3/6 K. Bay. STS B. I have tried this Loco on my Hornby Dublo 3 Rail and it will not run? Could anyone explain to me why it won't run?  [:) |
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Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by 1726louise<br />I am just getting into older Marklin HO scale and am a little confused with the three types of HO Track? Can someone explain to me what the difference is between them? I am rather confused? I, also have been given a Marklin 4-6-2 Green Locomotive and Tender with the No. 3673 on the locomotive and on the Cabin are the following - S3/6 K. Bay. STS B. I have tried this Loco on my Hornby Dublo 3 Rail and it will not run? Could anyone explain to me why it won't run?  [:) Louise, Hornby 3 rail is DC. Marklin is AC. That is one reason why it will not run. C track is the latest track and has built in Plastic Ballast (well Sort of). K track is rails and Sleepers. M is the older type of C track and is metal. that is the short story. C Track looks good and has good electrical qualities, K track is for the Purists. M Track for the old look. M track does have some Keeping clean problems Welcome to the forum, you will have a lot good info and fun . there are a few of us arounfd Brisbane and we do get to get together now and then. Nev |
NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders and a hose pipe on the aorta Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around |
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Joined: 15/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 9,593 Location: Australia
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M-track is the best of course... |
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Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,453 Location: Scotland
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Hi Louise. Dont listen to Adrian regarding M track. He is great at everything else though. Why not visit a dealer who will be able to show you what is available and give you a demonstration. Nev or Adrian should be able to say who is near you.
David |
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer. |
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Joined: 03/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 2,764
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by xxup <br />M-track is the best of course...
Welcome Louise Like said above, K track is for purist     See: https://www.marklin-users.net/fo...ault.aspx?g=posts&t=8363or my website. I like the looks of K track, but C track is very good for temporary lay-outs. M track is no longer produced. |
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Joined: 14/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 459 Location: Berlin (D)
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Regard from Karachi Thomas |
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Joined: 19/03/2004(UTC) Posts: 976 Location: Gorizia, Italy
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Hi Louise,
welcome to the forum.
Bye
Renato
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Joined: 12/01/2002(UTC) Posts: 2,578 Location: Sweden
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by nevw <br /> ... Louise, Hornby 3 rail is DC. Marklin is AC. That is one reason why it will not run. ...
There isn't such a thing as a "DC track" or an "AC track". Some people use these terms as a shortcut for "track that traditionally used to be powered by DC" and "track that traditionally used to be powered by AC". I really hope nobody thinks that some tracks can only hold DC and some can only hold AC.
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Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,453 Location: Scotland
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Louise. My advice would be to buy a small amount of C track and run your train on that. C track is easy to lay and take apart and the running qualities are excellent. K is best for experienced modellers as it has to be ballasted and is more difficult to lay. A small Marklin start set will give you everything you need for a reasonable price and again I would suggest you see a dealer. Various opinions here I expect will only confuse you as it is much easier to have a practical demonstration. One more thing, Marklin model rail is not a cheap hobby and once started can prove expensive. Having said that it is long lasting and provides many hours of interest and fun.
David |
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer. |
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Joined: 02/10/2005(UTC) Posts: 856 Location: ,
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Hi Louise,
I would advice you to buy C track. They are easy to use and the electrical connections are very good. I think the steam locomotive must be cleaned first (same problem as the old steamlocomotive from my grandfather). Perhaps it is better to replace the mechanical relais by a Delta decoder. It suited me very well. The old mechanical relais must be adjusted at times and that it something I did not quite understand. A Delta decoder does not need any attention.
Ask for more advice a local model train dealer.
I'm not fully agree with David Dewar. Märklin has affordable models as well (for example the 44000 series of wagons) and with simple things you can do a lot yourself. Not a father, nephew or uncle with a model train in the family that can help ? |
You are never too late to become a Märklin fan. |
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Joined: 02/10/2005(UTC) Posts: 856 Location: ,
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by xxup <br />M-track is the best of course...
Oldtimer... [:I].   |
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Joined: 20/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 267 Location: , Denmark
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Adrian is right of course  Philip absolut old school  |
Philip.
Let's keep it simple. MFDWPL |
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Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,771 Location: New Zealand
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by xxup <br />M-track is the best of course...
Is there any other......??     [:p][:p] Welcome to the forum Louise. I would echo what others are saying, which is that C Track would be best for your needs.
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Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,226 Location: Montreal, QC
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Hello Louise, welcome to the forum. I would guess that for a temporary or "play" layout, C Track would be the best option. You can forget about M Track, since it is not readily available, as it is no longer being made. K Track might be a solution if you are building a permanent or semi-permanent layout on a board or other support. K Track offers some advanced options that do not yet exist on C and never existed on M Track, like flex tracks. Either way, Maerklin will give you years of pleasure and fun. Here's an idea for the M Track hold outs, why don't we start a thread about whether it is better to have M Track with a solid rail or with dotted studs?  Regards Mike C
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Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,181 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA
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Welcome, Louise.
I have built two permanent layouts, one with K and one with C. I have always preferred K but when C came out I decided to use it on another layout. C is very easy to work with and has great operating and electrical characteristics. There is an outstanding question as to the plastic growing brittle with age, but you have that on the ties or sleepers of the K track, too. I still prefer the look of K and will continue with it. I also have a fairly large collection of M track that I set up periodically on the carpet and run some of my old analog loks that I will never convert just for nostalgia. To a true Marklin lover, there is really nothing like the sound and smell of a heavy metal lok with a flat commutator motor rattling around an M-track layout. |
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Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,771 Location: New Zealand
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by mike c<br />.... why don't we start a thread about whether it is better to have M Track with a solid rail or with dotted studs?  Dotted studs by far!
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Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,181 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA
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Mike: This is true, but the solid center rail (3600 series?) M track was before my time. You really need it, though if you are running the old 800 series with the scoop pickups. |
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Joined: 15/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 9,593 Location: Australia
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by Bigdaddynz<br /> Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by mike c<br />.... why don't we start a thread about whether it is better to have M Track with a solid rail or with dotted studs?  Dotted studs by far! Yep... That's decided then... [^][^][^][^][^][^] |
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Joined: 09/08/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,919 Location: Auckland,
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Hi Louise,
Welcome on board!
In terms of which track you should use, I think you need to decide what you want to do with your trains, and how much money you want to spend.
M track is readily available second hand, and at good prices. C and K track are available new of course.
If you want to build a permanant layout and senic it well, I would suggest K track, as it looks best. And contrary to some opinions, is easy to use and extremely reliable if you exercise a little care.
C or M track I would only use for carpetbahn as they withstand the rigours of this quite well.
Cheers....
Mike.
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Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,689 Location: United Kingdom
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Welcome to the forum, Louise.  |
Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy. |
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Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,771 Location: New Zealand
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by mvd71 <br />C or M track I would only use for carpetbahn.....
NEVER I say! There are many layouts shown on this forum made from C Track that look very realistic. It is too much of a generalisation to say that M and C track are no good for permanent layouts. Many people start off with a starter set, add more track to it, then they want to build a permanent layout. C Track is fine for this. Yes I agree K is the very best for realistic track, but that does not mean the other types cannot be used without success. See Cem's layout for a example of an M Track layout well done.
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Joined: 09/08/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,919 Location: Auckland,
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Terribly sorry, didn't mean to say that you couldn't, only that I wouldn't given the option when starting from scratch. Cheers... Mike. P.S Cems layout is nice, and from the examples of seen, the M track comes up nicer looking than C track. 
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Joined: 15/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 9,593 Location: Australia
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by mvd71 <br />... the M track comes up nicer looking than C track.... No surprises there...    |
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Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,453 Location: Scotland
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C track is pure dead brilliant. Gentleman... Louise is looking for a balanced view here not us arguing about which is best (C of course)
What we need to know is what type of layout Louise would like to build in order that we can help further/ Over to you maam
David |
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer. |
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Joined: 02/10/2005(UTC) Posts: 856 Location: ,
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It becomes a little bit silent over here... |
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Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY
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What a lady, what a topic - welcome to the bunch, Louise  Nev's the man (who else!)  but watch for Rita ... |
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Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD
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AS Louise Resides in Brisbane I sent her a PM Email. We had a Phone conversation. Explained the Track Differences, and differences with Hornby 00 3 rail.
Louise has a largish 3 rail Hornby layout and a large collection of same.
Has a Marklin Loco and possible powersupply and Controller to suit.
Intends to make an inner loop for the Marklin.
Nev |
NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders and a hose pipe on the aorta Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around |
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Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,453 Location: Scotland
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Well done Nev. Perfect gentleman.
David |
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer. |
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Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,771 Location: New Zealand
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Quite frankly, any of the 3 track types would be suitable for Louise's purposes, but if she is buying new, then C Track is best, and if 2nd hand then maybe M Track (although I would still recommend C Track).
I used M Track for my permanent layout because it is what I had, and I didn't want to spend big $$$$$ changing to something else. Plus our club regularly has good quality M track coming through at good prices, so a ready available supply was there. If I ever do a layout extension, that will be in C track, as I am buying new.
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Joined: 15/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 9,593 Location: Australia
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This Brisbane crowd is getting big Nev... When you get your new tin arm and they finish using it to film "Wizard of OZ - The Tin Man's revenge", we should have another party at your place... |
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Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by xxup <br />This Brisbane crowd is getting big Nev... When you get your new tin arm and they finish using it to film "Wizard of OZ - The Tin Man's revenge", we should have another party at your place...
or at your place    [:p]  boss not up to gatherings due to her delicate condition [:p] |
NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders and a hose pipe on the aorta Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around |
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Joined: 15/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 9,593 Location: Australia
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by nevw<br /> Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by xxup <br />This Brisbane crowd is getting big Nev... When you get your new tin arm and they finish using it to film "Wizard of OZ - The Tin Man's revenge", we should have another party at your place...
or at your place    [:p]  boss not up to gatherings due to her delicate condition [:p] Ooopppppsss sorry... I forgot about that.... I am sure we can work something out...  <IDEA MODE ACTIVATED> I know... Kimaball is always away - why don't we get the keys off him... I am sure that Mrs Kimball won't mind catering... <Back to the topic> And the other reason why M-track is best is 'cause it is MUCH cheaper than the other inferior plastic stuff... [^][^][^] |
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Joined: 01/10/2008(UTC) Posts: 3 Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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Hi to all of those who took the time to read and comment on my first post, I must extend a big thank you. An update on the loco...visited my local Marklin dealer today with the Bavarian Railways loco and another much older one. To my surprise we find that it is not a "Marklin" loco but a "Hamo" by Marklin from Era I and it is actually 2 rail DC. My assumption that it was Marklin was a little of center and so was the pick up Stub. Did not realise that it was different to a shoe. So what have I learnt today, Marklin ain't always Marklin especially when it is Hamo by Marklin. So how I have Marklin AC, Marklin 2 Rail DC, very old Horny Dublo 3 rail. All I need now is a very large layout or a new home with a basement or a very large back shed. I have found each and every one of your posting helpful, informative and food for thought in the planning of my layout/s. I hope that this is the start of many happy years of 'training'!!! Again, many thanks[:I] |
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Joined: 06/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,159 Location: The Netherlands
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I should stick to one system only, and reading your post it should be 2 rail DC. At leat you will avoid a lot of technical problems. I am not surprised if the Hornby Dublo locomotive can be rebuilded to 2 rail DC. That is what Wrenn model railways did when Hornby Dublo stopped production. C track is also available in 2 rail DC under the brand name TRIX. That left one Märklin 3 rail AC locomotive to be sold, but inform first before you do so. Some Märklin locomotives can be rebuilded into a Hamo locomotive (2 rail DC). |
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Joined: 06/04/2006(UTC) Posts: 655
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Hi Louise,
Welcome to the Forum. Here are some differences between M, K and C-track:
Track profile heights:
Maerklin C-track is 2.3 mm (0.090" or Code 90) TRIX C-track is 2.1 mm (0.083" or Code 83)
Maerklin M-track is 2.5 mm (~0.010" or Code 100) Maerklin K-track is 2.54 mm (0.010" or Code 100)
There are transition tracks available so that you can connect M to K, and K to C and M to C.
As others have stated, Maerklin is 3-rail AC. You cannot operate 2-rail DC on this track system unless you isolate the two outer rails from each other. This is very easy to do with regular straights and curves, I would not attempt it with turnouts. K-track is a little easier to convert for 2-rail use. If you really want to operate 2-rail DC, then simply purchase either TRIX C-track, Fleischmann, Peco, Roco or any other manufacturer's 2-rail system.
You can have 2-rail DC and 3-rail AC on the same layout as long as you have both systems electrically isolated from each other. If you are going to be modeling older Maerklin you can easily operate it on C-track even though the profile height is a little lower than M-track. If you want a more "prototypical" look go with K-track. Since it has the highest profile height of all Maerklin's track systems you can easily operate the older locomotives/rolling stock alongside the new ones.
The only track system that allows you to operate both AC and DC locomotives together is TRIX Express 3-rail track. TRIX no longer manufactures this but lots of it can be purchased on E-bay for reasonable prices. The profile height for this track is 3.3 mm. TRIX Express always had larger wheel flanges!
Happy railroading!! |
Regards (a Scot in Wisconsin),
Maurice [ETE, TTRCA, IG-TRIX Express, Maerklin-Insider & TRIX Profi-Club]
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Joined: 04/11/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,652 Location: New Zealand
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Hi and Welcome to <s>the Forum</s> Funland, Louise from <s>Brisbane</s> West Island. Regards Lord Macca, Serious K TRACK purist  |
Lord Macca New Zealand branch of Clan Donald.
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