Train crash North of Los Angeles Share  Email this topic  LinkBack Topic URL  Retweet this Topic  Share Topic on Google+  Like this Topic  Share on Facebook  Digg this Topic  Reddit this Topic  Share on Tumblr Options  Watch this topic  Print this topic View » Normal Threaded

Previous Topic Next Topic

nevw		#1 Posted : 13 September 2008 12:14:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Just saw it on TV. A commuter train hit head on with a Freight Train. Many dead and Badly injured. I hope that no forum members had family involved and our thoughts are with the dead & injured. Nev
		NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders and a hose pipe on the aorta Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

	Wish to join the discussion?! Login to your marklin-users.net community | Forum accountor Register a new forum account. Or Connect via Facebook

ozzman		#2 Posted : 13 September 2008 12:20:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,828 Location: Sydney, Australia		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by nevw <br />Just saw it on TV. A commuter train hit head on with a Freight Train. Many dead and Badly injured. I hope that no forum members had family involved and our thoughts are with the dead & injured. Nev Let me second those wishes. You just never know when that sort of thing will happen to you...
		Gary Z Scale "Never let the prototype get in the way of a good layout"
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

Bigdaddynz		#3 Posted : 13 September 2008 13:28:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,763 Location: New Zealand		That's very sad news. Our prayers and best wishes to all affected.
		WWW BLOG
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

steventrain		#4 Posted : 13 September 2008 13:50:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,685 Location: United Kingdom		I have see on news this morning, It is a Deadly train.[V]
		Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

Macfire		#5 Posted : 13 September 2008 14:04:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/11/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,652 Location: New Zealand		http://www.latimes.com/n...008sep13,0,2874450.story Very Sad [:(]
		Lord Macca New Zealand branch of Clan Donald.
		WWW
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

Will		#6 Posted : 13 September 2008 16:50:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/08/2002(UTC) Posts: 320 Location: Charlotte, North Carolina		Awful.
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

pserup		#7 Posted : 13 September 2008 16:53:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 897 Location: Ramløse, Denmark		Sad to see [:(]
		CS, Denmark/Germany Ep. I - V, Switzerland Ep. II - V, USA Ep. III/IV
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

rhtastro		#8 Posted : 14 September 2008 01:17:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 2,835 Location: Northern California,		A few years ago a commuter train in the Frisco Bay area hit a tanker truck that was stalled on the track. The driver ran away but was found later. The folks in the lead passenger car saw it coming at them but of course couldn't do anything. Many died in the inferno. One of those was a big train fan who always rode in the lead car to watch things. People who knew him said he was always talking trains. I believe he was also a train modeler. It can happen to anyone at anytime. Live well and enjoy every day like it could be your last one. Cheers, Bob
		Robert's trains insured by Colt 45--Marklin Club of NorCal, Founder and Sole Member--- Robert's photos may be used as public domain-all copyrights waved "All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent"-T.Jefferson
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

Ranjit		#9 Posted : 14 September 2008 01:55:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/06/2003(UTC) Posts: 3,023 Location: Chennai, Tamil Nadu, INDIA		Death toll has reached 23 and rising! Awful tragedy. Our prayers and best wishes to all affected. Here is a link to the article... http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2.../09/13/calif-trains.html Cheers, Ranjit
		Modelling in HO Scale - Era III & IV. K+M Track, Analogue + Digital _____________________________________________________________________________ #Get Vaccinated -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "If you have a garden and a library, you have everything you need" - Marcus Tullius Cicero "Nothing is as powerful as an idea whose time has come" - Victor Marie Hugo "If you can dream it, you can do it" - Walt Disney
		Twitter
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

mmervine		#10 Posted : 14 September 2008 03:57:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,893 Location: Keene, NH		I just saw the latest update on the news. The death toll is now 25 with 40 people in critical condition. Very sad!
		Märklin C-track, Marklin Digital & ECoS, multi-era French & Swiss http://www.ete-ene.org/m...mervines-layout-gallery/
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

p .g		#11 Posted : 14 September 2008 04:43:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 181 Location: ,		MY PRAYER TO ALL FAMILIES AND RESCUE WORKERS. Thanking GOD that our family freind for over 20 years that travels that rute 4 days a week was not on that train .Also that it dint take plase inside of one of the 3 tunnels in that curvy santa susana pass a low muntain range in the middel of two valleys .Its very stange to me i take that same rute several times a year to go see family on holliday and the servise is allways very carefull and leting us know whats happening .GOD BLESS ALL FROM PAT N CECE
		back on land but it feels funny
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

foumaro		#12 Posted : 14 September 2008 08:42:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 4,430 Location: Attiki Athens Greece		Very sad news.
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

ozzman		#13 Posted : 14 September 2008 09:24:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,828 Location: Sydney, Australia		I heard on the news here a few hours ago that the driver of the passenger train went through a red light.
		Gary Z Scale "Never let the prototype get in the way of a good layout"
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

Goofy		#14 Posted : 14 September 2008 10:37:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,273		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by ozzman <br />I heard on the news here a few hours ago that the driver of the passenger train went through a red light. Madness...! Pass trough the red light...!!! [:(!] In Sweden it will become impossible,because we have an so called "ATC" which means:Automatic Train Controller This way make sure for the traindriver not to keep on,if the driver did passed the red light. Goofy
		H0 DCC = Digital Command Control
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

ulf999		#15 Posted : 14 September 2008 11:48:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/05/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,908 Location: Stockholm, Sweden		Sad news indeed [:(]
		Ulf, American HO. www.goldenvalleyroute.com/
		WWW
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

Tivvy		#16 Posted : 14 September 2008 11:49:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 414 Location: Melbourne, Victoria		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Goofy <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by ozzman <br />I heard on the news here a few hours ago that the driver of the passenger train went through a red light. Madness...! Pass trough the red light...!!! [:(!] In Sweden it will become impossible,because we have an so called "ATC" which means:Automatic Train Controller This way make sure for the traindriver not to keep on,if the driver did passed the red light. Goofy We have a smillar system here in melbourne that emergency brakes trains that pass a red signal. I would have assumed it would be a standard thing around the world, its not that expensive and it could have easily saved 23+ lives[:(!][V]
		Ep IV / V Marklin Layout 6 track dead end station, twin track loop, 4 track through station. Under construction.
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

spitzenklasse		#17 Posted : 14 September 2008 11:58:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/04/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,573 Location: ,		Yes, the driver ignored the signal to let the oncoming freight train pass. That section of track is Northbound and single track section near Chatsworth California. Metrolink spokeswoman said the driver may have been text messaging on his cell phone.
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

Legless		#18 Posted : 14 September 2008 13:45:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/07/2007(UTC) Posts: 809 Location: Leopold, Victoria		Very sad news and my heart goes out to all that this has touched. [V]
		Legless Era's 1 to 111,C track,k track
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

lokbraz		#19 Posted : 16 September 2008 03:50:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/03/2008(UTC) Posts: 122 Location: San Francisco, CA		Sad news. Even more now that maybe it was caused by the deceased engineer text messaging!!!! [:0][:0][:0]. That has been a new plague in California by many irresponsible drivers and now train engineers. Ed
		My ancestors came from the land of rising sun. I was born in South America. Spent time in Europe. Now I live in California. So, I am a builder of south american brass models. I read about the railroads on the Sierras. But I play with Marklin and have best time with my Marklin peers.
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

rhtastro		#20 Posted : 16 September 2008 22:39:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 2,835 Location: Northern California,		Goof, many of the roads here have the automatic system also. Mainly on the fast passenger lines around the cities on the east coast. But this privately run line in LA didn't and it's had other problelms in the past. Regards, Bob
		Robert's trains insured by Colt 45--Marklin Club of NorCal, Founder and Sole Member--- Robert's photos may be used as public domain-all copyrights waved "All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent"-T.Jefferson
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

intruder		#21 Posted : 16 September 2008 22:43:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 5,382 Location: Akershus, Norway		Very sorry to see this. Sad news.
		Best regards Svein, Norway grumpy old sod
		WWW
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

dntower85		#22 Posted : 16 September 2008 23:00:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,218 Location: Shady Shores, TX - USA		Even with out automatic train control I would of thought that there would of been many systems in place to alert the engineer and the rail road to the situation. Especially when a passenger train is involved. With todays technology this type of incident is just plain stupid and unessary.
		DT Now powered by ECoS II unit#2, RocRail era - some time in the future when the space time continuum is disrupted and ICE 3 Trains run on the same rails as the Adler and BR18's.
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

rschaffr		#23 Posted : 17 September 2008 21:25:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,181 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		That is because we are mostly Rail Fans first and MRR fans second.
		-Ron Digital, Epoch IV-V(K-track/CS3/6021Connect/60216051), Epoch III(C-track/6021/6036/6051) http://www.sem-co.com/~rschaffr/trains/trains.html
		WWW
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

Davy		#24 Posted : 17 September 2008 23:33:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,915 Location: Netherlands		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by dntower85 <br />Even with out automatic train control I would of thought that there would of been many systems in place to alert the engineer and the rail road to the situation. Especially when a passenger train is involved. With todays technology this type of incident is just plain stupid and unessary. I agree, but the American infrastructuur is very old and not up to date.
		M-track with a CS2.
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

hemau		#25 Posted : 17 September 2008 23:35:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/01/2007(UTC) Posts: 589 Location: The Netherlands		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by rschaffr <br />That is because we are mostly Rail Fans first and MRR fans second. Which means - why did it not go in this forum here: https://www.marklin-users.net/ap...um3/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=9 [|)][|)][|)] Well I don't suppose it was because somebody was text-messaging while posting on the users-net. Or maybe you were when you posted this answer to Ron's?
		C and M track; CS1R and 2 MS
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

dntower85		#26 Posted : 18 September 2008 01:07:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,218 Location: Shady Shores, TX - USA		This was posted on yahoo news "In Washington, Sen. Dianne Feinstein introduced legislation Tuesday requiring the installation of technology to prevent train crashes and warned that there would be more disasters without it. The California Democrat hopes to nudge Congress to pass her requirement for so-called positive train control before recessing at the end of next week. The House and Senate have already passed separate legislation to implement the technology but the differing versions have not been reconciled. The technology can engage the brakes if a train misses a signal or gets off track. It has been installed on a fraction of U.S. rail tracks. Feinstein blamed "a resistance in the railroad community in America" to the price tag of installing the systems. Failure to act now, she said, amounts to "negligence, and I'll even go as far to say I believe it's criminal negligence not to do so." In the US it always comes down to money. Just Sad.
		DT Now powered by ECoS II unit#2, RocRail era - some time in the future when the space time continuum is disrupted and ICE 3 Trains run on the same rails as the Adler and BR18's.
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

rschaffr		#27 Posted : 18 September 2008 01:49:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,181 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		Has such technology been installed in other countries? Does it work? Seems that there have been a number of crashes elsewhere recently, also. The highly publicized Maglev was quite a disaster and that was only one train on the whole system plus a maintenance vehicle. Maybe this technology is warranted, however it still comes down the responsibility of the operator in my view. Having said all that, I will be getting on an Amtrak train to travel overnight from Virgina to Florida next week. I still have faith in the rail medium as a travel option.
		-Ron Digital, Epoch IV-V(K-track/CS3/6021Connect/60216051), Epoch III(C-track/6021/6036/6051) http://www.sem-co.com/~rschaffr/trains/trains.html
		WWW
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

fred443		#28 Posted : 18 September 2008 06:14:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/07/2006(UTC) Posts: 68 Location: Hunt Valley, MD		And remember that the deadliest recent train wreck in America was an Amtrak that derailed when crossing a bridge down South that a stupid barge captain had hit and weakened, and he apparently didn't bother to report the collision. Should there, then, be a law requiring collision detectors on all RR bridges? Congress can't outlaw stupidity; it comes in too many varieties.
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

Davy		#29 Posted : 18 September 2008 06:33:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,915 Location: Netherlands		We the Dutch have it since the fifties. Automatische TreinBeïnvloeding or ATB is a Dutch train protection system developed in the 1950s. Its installation was spurred by the Harmelen train disaster of 1962. ATB operates by the train collecting electrical signals from line-side apparatus which will override the driver's controls in the following situations: * a) failure to brake for a red signal (ATB makes an immediate brake application) * b) failure to reduce speed at a caution signal (ATB will slow the train sufficiently to stop at the next signal). * c) failure to observe speed limit (ATB slows the train) (such as around a sharp curve or low speed turnout) For completeness, the ATB should also: * d) restrict the speed of the train after passing a signal at danger. This was a factor in the Glenbrook train disaster. Speed limits are set in 5 steps: 40 km/h, 60 km/h, 80 km/h, 130 km/h and so-called volle materiaalsnelheid (i.e. full speed allowed for that type of train), which can be 140 km/h at most. If the train's maximum allowed speed is lower, the 130 km/h setting is omitted. A newer version for higher speeds and lower speeds is now installed. It shows again that the USA is way behind with their rail infrastructure.
		M-track with a CS2.
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

rschaffr		#30 Posted : 18 September 2008 06:43:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,181 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		Thanks for the info, Davy. Still, I feel the ultimate responsibility is the operator's. No question about the US being behind in rail technology..we practically abandoned rail as a viable transportation alternative back in the 50's. We are paying for it now.
		-Ron Digital, Epoch IV-V(K-track/CS3/6021Connect/60216051), Epoch III(C-track/6021/6036/6051) http://www.sem-co.com/~rschaffr/trains/trains.html
		WWW
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

rhtastro		#31 Posted : 18 September 2008 10:44:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 2,835 Location: Northern California,		Even the most elaborate and sophisticted technology can and does fail. If it's made by man it's not infallible. Accidents will happen, alway have, always will. There can be human error or mechanical failure or both. Even Marklin is not infallible. There have been quite a few train wrecks over the last 10 years with many lives lost in many different countries. I'm sure many of the systems were using a state of the art technology but it somehow failed. Systems must be maintained properly. There is no perfect system and when you think it is, that's when it can happen. Cheers, Bob
		Robert's trains insured by Colt 45--Marklin Club of NorCal, Founder and Sole Member--- Robert's photos may be used as public domain-all copyrights waved "All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent"-T.Jefferson
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

hxmiesa		#32 Posted : 18 September 2008 11:50:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,587 Location: Spain		"When you think you have made something fool-proof, somebody will always come up with a better fool!" The input about the barge captain colliding with the bridge, is terrible. Danger and accidents comes in too many forms and shapes...
		Best regards Henrik Hoexbroe ("The Dane In Spain") http://hoexbroe.tripod.com
		WWW
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

MärCo		#33 Posted : 18 September 2008 12:23:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,159 Location: The Netherlands		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Davy <br />Long story. Ironically is that the ATB system is developed from the American CTC system.
		Absolutly AFB-NOHAB fan ;-)
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

mike c		#34 Posted : 19 September 2008 04:43:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,216 Location: Montreal, QC		Two comments: 1) Metrolink, the operator of the LA Commuter Rail Line, was acquired by Veolia a few years back. After this and other accidents, I wonder when the various authorities in Europe and in America are going to decide that lok-pulled is better than push-pull in terms of safety, even though it increases the costs due to lok changeovers. Consists involved in collisions when being pushed by a lok usually involve more serious injuries due to the fact that A) people are riding in the pilot coach at the front of the train, and B) after the impact, the lok keeps on pushing the rest of the consist forward deeper into the wreck. My thoughts go out to those injured, the families of those killed, and to those who may now be too scared to ride on trains anymore. Regards Mike C
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

fred443		#35 Posted : 19 September 2008 06:21:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/07/2006(UTC) Posts: 68 Location: Hunt Valley, MD		People will still keep riding, and the irony is that the rails will be safer, at least for a while, as everybody will be on their toes. My family and I were in Toronto some years ago and were riding their subway when -- on another line -- there was a horrible rear-ender collision at a station inside a deep tunnel, caused by operator error in blowing past a stop signal, accompanied by a system failure (which should have been detected) in the automatic braking mechanism that should have stopped the train when it blew by the signal. Many died in the hell that followed that collision, almost 130 feet below ground (as I remember it). We didn't know the details when we were diverted past the wreck scene to another station, but we know there had been a wreck. The family didn't want to get on the train. I pointed out that it was probably now safer to ride on than before the accident, as the operators would be super-careful. We travelled safely, and I don't think there have been any wrecks there since.
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

rhtastro		#36 Posted : 19 September 2008 06:41:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 2,835 Location: Northern California,		Mike, I think the loco was pulling the cars, since in the pic I saw the loco was pushed back half way into the first car on impact after the loco collided with the UP train. The two locos came together. At least that's the way it looked. However, your staement is true, since many times the cars are being pushed and that makes the first car very vulnerable in a collision. That shouldn't occur. Cheers, Bob
		Robert's trains insured by Colt 45--Marklin Club of NorCal, Founder and Sole Member--- Robert's photos may be used as public domain-all copyrights waved "All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent"-T.Jefferson
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

MärCo		#37 Posted : 19 September 2008 22:25:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,159 Location: The Netherlands		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by MärCo <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Davy <br />Long story. Ironically is that the ATB system is developed from the American CTC system. I hope your country rail system is changing to ETCS in the foreseeing future too! Resulting in a useless "Betuwelijn" and high speed line?
		Absolutly AFB-NOHAB fan ;-)
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

hemau		#38 Posted : 19 September 2008 22:32:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/01/2007(UTC) Posts: 589 Location: The Netherlands		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by rhtastro <br />Mike, I think the loco was pulling the cars, since in the pic I saw the loco was pushed back half way into the first car on impact after the loco collided with the UP train. The two locos came together. At least that's the way it looked. However, your staement is true, since many times the cars are being pushed and that makes the first car very vulnerable in a collision. That shouldn't occur. Cheers, Bob I've heard discussion ofter about push/pull trains and the influency of the 'heavy' locomotive if it is pushing the train. I have my doubts about this problem. A typical loco is about 85 tons, a carriage is some 40. So two carriages are about the same as a loco. I don't believe in the idea of the loco pushing the train to pieces if it's at the back and there is some collision. The third carriage will not know if it is being pushed by two other coaches or by a loco. The point with the front coach is not different from any self-powered train like we have many. Indeed the front is more dangerous but the odds are very low. Even my 8-units M* ICE-3 runs fine with the power from the middle coach. Another thing is that is is safer to ride backwards (even in planes this is so, and then preferably in the tail section). At least on a train you can choose how you sit, other than in a plane, car or bus. Regards, Henk.
		C and M track; CS1R and 2 MS
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

WelshMatt		#39 Posted : 19 September 2008 22:55:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,345 Location: ,		I think part of the problem with pushing trains is when railway lines are not properly fenced off. There was an equally nasty smash in Britain many years ago involving a loose cow hit by a Scotrail train led by a DBSO (cab car). Part of the cow became wedged under the DBSO leading to a derailment and the accident. After this lineside fencing was improved and the DBSOs had object deflectors fitted to the lead bogie. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polmont_rail_crash Metrolink cannot be blamed for the previous collision, which was caused by a selfish moron determined to commit suicide and apparently unconcerned about the number of other people he took with him. While he apparently changed his mind at the last minute that did not help the eleven people killed in the ensuing derailment. http://en.wikipedia.org/...005_Glendale_train_crash
		Matt from Wales. When you pay Range Rover prices, don't accept Lada quality
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

hemau		#40 Posted : 19 September 2008 23:08:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/01/2007(UTC) Posts: 589 Location: The Netherlands		So the problem looks more that a light front carriage is more likely to derail than a locomotive and not the fact that the locomotive is at the rear. If the locomotive is twice as heavy, the chance of derailment will probably be something like half.
		C and M track; CS1R and 2 MS
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

Will		#41 Posted : 22 September 2008 00:11:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/08/2002(UTC) Posts: 320 Location: Charlotte, North Carolina		The fact that texting may be to blame is heartbreaking. So avoidable. I also agree our rail infrastructure in the US is antiquated. Railroad crossings at roads are a huge source of accidents for this very reason.
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

Users browsing this topic

Guest