Welcome to the forum   
Welcome Guest! To enable all features please Login or Register.

Notification

Icon
Error

Share
Options
View
Go to last post in this topic Go to first unread post in this topic
Offline Ranjit  
#1 Posted : 08 September 2008 20:52:09(UTC)
Ranjit


Joined: 18/06/2003(UTC)
Posts: 3,023
Location: Chennai, Tamil Nadu, INDIA
Hi All,

Does anyone know what a standard 'Code 100' track is? Is it a Marklin track or does it belong to a another manfacturer?

Cheers,
Ranjit
Modelling in HO Scale - Era III & IV. K+M Track, Analogue + Digital
_____________________________________________________________________________

#Get Vaccinated
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"If you have a garden and a library, you have everything you need" - Marcus Tullius Cicero
"Nothing is as powerful as an idea whose time has come" - Victor Marie Hugo
"If you can dream it, you can do it" - Walt Disney
Offline RayF  
#2 Posted : 08 September 2008 21:01:06(UTC)
RayF

Gibraltar   
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC)
Posts: 15,870
Location: Gibraltar, Europe
Ranjit,

Code 100 is just a measure of the height of the rail.

Marklin uses code 100 in its K track, and a lower profile, code 80, in C track.

Ray
Ray
Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
Offline Goofy  
#3 Posted : 08 September 2008 21:13:37(UTC)
Goofy


Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC)
Posts: 9,273
Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by RayPayas
<br />Ranjit,

Code 100 is just a measure of the height of the rail.

Marklin uses code 100 in its K track, and a lower profile, code 80, in C track.

Ray


Wrong...!

Marklins K-track is far bigger than code 100.

Code 100 is 2,5 mm of the height.

K-track has at least 2,7 mm in the height.

C-track has code 90 and it´s 2,3 mm in the height.

Besides,you must measurments of the thick too on the rail...!

K-tracks is too thick...!

H0
DCC = Digital Command Control
Offline Ranjit  
#4 Posted : 08 September 2008 21:20:26(UTC)
Ranjit


Joined: 18/06/2003(UTC)
Posts: 3,023
Location: Chennai, Tamil Nadu, INDIA
Thanks for the info, Ray.

Btw, what code does the 'M' tracks use? Also, are the Code 100 tracks from Atlas, Bachmann, and AHM compatible to Marklin?

Cheers,
Ranjit
Modelling in HO Scale - Era III & IV. K+M Track, Analogue + Digital
_____________________________________________________________________________

#Get Vaccinated
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"If you have a garden and a library, you have everything you need" - Marcus Tullius Cicero
"Nothing is as powerful as an idea whose time has come" - Victor Marie Hugo
"If you can dream it, you can do it" - Walt Disney
Offline Goofy  
#5 Posted : 08 September 2008 21:20:36(UTC)
Goofy


Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC)
Posts: 9,273
Peco has code 100.
Fleischmann too...

Tillig Elite has code 83.
Roco too...

Peco has code 75.
Also in code 83,but in american style...

The list is so long,that it takes a time to presentation all of them...!
H0
DCC = Digital Command Control
Offline Ranjit  
#6 Posted : 08 September 2008 21:21:34(UTC)
Ranjit


Joined: 18/06/2003(UTC)
Posts: 3,023
Location: Chennai, Tamil Nadu, INDIA
Oops!

Cheers,
Ranjit
Modelling in HO Scale - Era III & IV. K+M Track, Analogue + Digital
_____________________________________________________________________________

#Get Vaccinated
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"If you have a garden and a library, you have everything you need" - Marcus Tullius Cicero
"Nothing is as powerful as an idea whose time has come" - Victor Marie Hugo
"If you can dream it, you can do it" - Walt Disney
Offline Ranjit  
#7 Posted : 08 September 2008 21:26:00(UTC)
Ranjit


Joined: 18/06/2003(UTC)
Posts: 3,023
Location: Chennai, Tamil Nadu, INDIA
Thanks for that very quick detailed info, Goofy. I still have to wait and see what Ray says.

What about 'Code 100' tracks from Atlas, Bachmann, and AHM? Are these compatible to Marklin 'K' or 'M' tracks?

Cheers,
Ranjit
Modelling in HO Scale - Era III & IV. K+M Track, Analogue + Digital
_____________________________________________________________________________

#Get Vaccinated
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"If you have a garden and a library, you have everything you need" - Marcus Tullius Cicero
"Nothing is as powerful as an idea whose time has come" - Victor Marie Hugo
"If you can dream it, you can do it" - Walt Disney
Offline rschaffr  
#8 Posted : 08 September 2008 21:53:16(UTC)
rschaffr

United States   
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC)
Posts: 5,181
Location: Southern New Jersey, USA
Yes. Actually K should be called Code 108, but the difference is really not noticeable. I hooked a 2205 up to a code 100 Atlas track and it was hardly noticeable. I was trying to install PECO pukos in the Atlas track to see if I could save money in hidden areas. I concluded that it wasn't worth the effort.
-Ron
Digital, Epoch IV-V(K-track/CS3/6021Connect/60216051), Epoch III(C-track/6021/6036/6051)
http://www.sem-co.com/~rschaffr/trains/trains.html
Offline steventrain  
#9 Posted : 08 September 2008 21:53:24(UTC)
steventrain

United Kingdom   
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC)
Posts: 31,685
Location: United Kingdom
The code 100 was standard rail track such as Atlas and Most are British modeller Hornby, Peco setrack and streamline.

The code 75 are finescale such as Peco streamline, etc.

Most 2-rails train set have code 100 tracks.
Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
Offline RayF  
#10 Posted : 08 September 2008 22:24:49(UTC)
RayF

Gibraltar   
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC)
Posts: 15,870
Location: Gibraltar, Europe
Oops, lost track of this thread.

I bow to Goofy's superior knowledge. I thought K track was code 100, but maybe it's a bit bigger. As to C track, my typo, I meant code 90.

Ray
Ray
Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
Offline RayF  
#11 Posted : 08 September 2008 22:32:29(UTC)
RayF

Gibraltar   
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC)
Posts: 15,870
Location: Gibraltar, Europe
It is my understanding that the code number is the height of the rail in thousandsth of an inch.

Therefore, code 90 = 0.09 inches = 2.286mm.

and code 100 = 0.1 inches = 2.54mm.

Is this right?

Ray
Ray
Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
Offline Goofy  
#12 Posted : 09 September 2008 00:15:41(UTC)
Goofy


Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC)
Posts: 9,273
That´s right now,Ray...!

Don´t forget about the thickness of rail too.

Not only height of the rail...

Goofy
H0
DCC = Digital Command Control
Offline hasan  
#13 Posted : 09 September 2008 04:46:06(UTC)
hasan


Joined: 08/12/2005(UTC)
Posts: 96
Location: ,
Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by steventrain
<br />The code 100 was standard rail track such as Atlas and Most are British modeller Hornby, Peco setrack and streamline.

The code 75 are finescale such as Peco streamline, etc.

Most 2-rails train set have code 100 tracks.


Hi there,
interesting topic, thanks.
Actually, I would have few questions about Peco tracks:
1) Apart from dimensions (track height, thickness etc.), which are the differences between the three series of Peco tracks code 100 - streamline; code 100 - setrack; code 75 finescale - streamline?
2) Are all three suitable for a German-style layout?
3) What does the word "finescale" stand for? Is this type of track somehow more detailed than the others?
4) Eventually, could they all be fitted with Herei Studs?

Thanks a lot,

hasan
Offline Tivvy  
#14 Posted : 09 September 2008 07:02:58(UTC)
Tivvy


Joined: 01/02/2008(UTC)
Posts: 414
Location: Melbourne, Victoria
Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by hasan
<br />
Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by steventrain
<br />The code 100 was standard rail track such as Atlas and Most are British modeller Hornby, Peco setrack and streamline.

The code 75 are finescale such as Peco streamline, etc.

Most 2-rails train set have code 100 tracks.


Hi there,
interesting topic, thanks.
Actually, I would have few questions about Peco tracks:
1) Apart from dimensions (track height, thickness etc.), which are the differences between the three series of Peco tracks code 100 - streamline; code 100 - setrack; code 75 finescale - streamline?
2) Are all three suitable for a German-style layout?
3) What does the word "finescale" stand for? Is this type of track somehow more detailed than the others?
4) Eventually, could they all be fitted with Herei Studs?

Thanks a lot,

hasan


The pukoband offered by erbert engineering is to the best of my knowledge designed to fit with the peco/tillig code 100 flex track. Kits for points are also available. These suit any number of different point systems which you would have to check on the website:
www.erbert-signale.de
Ep IV / V Marklin Layout
6 track dead end station, twin track loop, 4 track through station.
Under construction.
Offline jeehring  
#15 Posted : 09 September 2008 07:13:35(UTC)
jeehring


Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC)
Posts: 2,786
Location: ,
Peco track is engineered to British Railroad standards.

Fine scale = prototypical or "almost prototypical" size ,
Prototypical size = exact 1:87 scale rails.....but you also need finescale wheels & trucks for all your wagons, coaches & locomotives .You need to build a" fine scale" layout too : you need room & space . 250/300 cm radius curve is bare minimum radius mandatory .
In HO & N scale it is impossible to make pure 1:87 scale wheels ( flanges ).Exact 1:87 wheels are very hard to roll. But it is possible to make wheels close to 1:87 scale


"Fine scale " is an overused word . ( my dictionnary says :"Hacknayed expression" ).

Most of TRUE Finescale enthusiasts are doing their track themselves ( mounting rails and sleepers etc...) .Most of the time they also have to change all wheels , if they buy from industrials manufacturers .Or they buy handycraft special models ( more expensive )
Industrial manufacturers don't do TRUE finescale tracks . One manufacturer is doing something close to Finescale track : TILLIG .

It is a matter of standards & norms... and there are a lot of norms ! ( see also American norms from NMRA )
If you have Marklin locomotives & wagons ( or Fleischmann , Hag ,Roco , Brawa eetc...ect..) you have to buy between 1:75 & 1:100 code or K track
The best compromise are probably 1:83 code and 1:90 code .Don't go below 1:83 code .( excepted if you want to make "finescale"...)
Modern and current Marklin items can roll on Peco 1:75 code . But old Marklin items cannot roll on 1:75 code Peco .( be careful with Fleischmann & Hag too)
About Geometry of the track ( sleepers , turnouts ,etc....)if you like to be close from a German style layout you'd better buy track from a German manufacturers making German models...
It's up to you . It's also a matter of taste . Many people don't even notice the difference between a Peco code 100 and Trix code 100...
one of the main advantage of K tracks is : you can roll both current and old/very old Marklin items

PS Summarized from Wik. about Peco streamlined ( it is the name of the range ):
Compared to normal range , the Streamlined range includes a wider variety of points and crossings, at different radii. Most of these are available with 'live' (metal) or insulating (plastic) frogs. The "Electrofrog" points require more complex wiring, to avoid short-circuits .( Only for two rails track : Awful wiring on each turnout )
'Code 100' rail is the original type, and is designed for older ready-to-run models. 'Code 83' is designed to be compatible with North American track systems. PECO said : 'Code 75' is designed for 'fine-scale' models, with smaller wheel flanges, to give a more-scale appearance
( but it is not TRUE Fine scale )


Offline RayF  
#16 Posted : 09 September 2008 11:50:27(UTC)
RayF

Gibraltar   
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC)
Posts: 15,870
Location: Gibraltar, Europe
There is a whole minefield associated with "scale track".

Real track is not the same everywhere, there is heavy rail for main line, lighter rail for branch lines.

There is flat bottomed rail, and there is "bullhead" rail.

There is wooden sleepered rail, and concrete sleepered rail.

...and then there is the gauge! HO/OO scale track, is only correct for HO 1/87 scale. British modellers use OO which is 1/76, so PECO track is actually wrong for 1/76 OO trains, so British fine scale modellers use EM gauge track, which has a gauge of 18mm, or P4 track, which is 18.83 mm. These are closer to the correct scale gauge.

Of course, this assumes you are modelling standard gauge, but if you are in Ireland, Spain, Portugal or Russia, the gauge should be wider, as these countries use a broader gauge for their main lines.

Have I made the point yet?

Ray
Ray
Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
Offline hasan  
#17 Posted : 10 September 2008 00:26:34(UTC)
hasan


Joined: 08/12/2005(UTC)
Posts: 96
Location: ,
Thank you guys for all the precious information: for the time being is more than enough!
I will ask your advices in case I need to take "important" decisions...wink
Cheers,
hasan
Users browsing this topic
Guest
Forum Jump  
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.

| Powered by YAF.NET | YAF.NET © 2003-2025, Yet Another Forum.NET
This page was generated in 0.951 seconds.