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steventrain		#1 Posted : 10 June 2008 16:23:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,697 Location: United Kingdom		I have email from marklin that 60172 mfx booster will delivery from October 2008.
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pa-pauls		#2 Posted : 10 June 2008 16:31:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/06/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,843 Location: Norway		Thank you Steven, nice news indeed [:p]
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mjrallare		#3 Posted : 10 June 2008 18:07:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 563		Everything comes to those who wait! Let's hope ski-lifters isn't a requirement... Thanks for the info Steven! /Torbjörn
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supermoee		#4 Posted : 04 July 2008 17:55:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/05/2007(UTC) Posts: 534		Hello Torbjörn, the ski-lifters are not needed with the EcosBoost, so why should they be needed with the 60172? They are even not needed with the 6015/6017 (all tested on my layout). Märklin put this information only for a precaution, not knowing which booster their customer will use (told me by Mr Lorenz, Digital expert of Märklin) rgds Stephan
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H0		#5 Posted : 04 July 2008 18:16:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,462 Location: DE-NW		Hello, Stephan, M* writes in the 6021 manual that ski lifters are not needed for the 6017. They write in the CS manual that ski lifters are needed - maybe they'll write something else in the 60172 manual or in their FAQ list. Ignoring the manual could void the warranry - no matter what Mr. Lorenz said; I'd prefer something written (that's just my precaution).
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steventrain		#6 Posted : 04 July 2008 19:53:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,697 Location: United Kingdom		Thanks for the report, Tom. Marklin should put the pink or notice slip with the 60172.
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pa-pauls		#7 Posted : 04 July 2008 21:47:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/06/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,843 Location: Norway		I totally agree with you Tom
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mmervine		#8 Posted : 04 July 2008 23:05:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,894 Location: Keene, NH		Great to hear...I am sure that this will make a lot of CS owners happy!
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supermoee		#9 Posted : 05 July 2008 03:29:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/05/2007(UTC) Posts: 534		Hello Tom, in the EcosBoost manual it is written that you do not need skilifters. So what you need more as information? It's working fine on my layout without any skilifters, just to confirm what is written in the ESU manual. So if the ESU booster do not need skilifters, I do not see any reason why the 60172 should. But do as you prefer. I'm happy without them kind regards Stephan
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kbvrod		#10 Posted : 05 July 2008 05:19:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,597 Location: Beverly, MA		Hi all, it's godd thing to know Märklin has moved on from the 80's! Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by h-zero <br />Hello, Stephan, M* writes in the 6021 manual that ski lifters are not needed for the 6017. They write in the CS manual that ski lifters are needed - maybe they'll write something else in the 60172 manual or in their FAQ list. Ignoring the manual could void the warranry - no matter what Mr. Lorenz said; I'd prefer something written (that's just my precaution). The ski-lifters were for a few things: 1) If part of your layout was digital and the other conventional,not to bridge the two.2) If you had a large layout and have 2 CU's,or 3,....one for overhead. (control units,etc) not to bridge the -gap- fry the decoders.These ski-lifters were included in the old 6021 CU. If they are in the new booster,egad,....[xx(] Dr Dirt
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perz		#11 Posted : 05 July 2008 15:58:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2002(UTC) Posts: 2,578 Location: Sweden		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by kbvrod <br /> The ski-lifters were for a few things: 1) If part of your layout was digital and the other conventional,not to bridge the two.2) If you had a large layout and have 2 CU's,or 3,....one for overhead. (control units,etc) not to bridge the -gap- fry the decoders.These ski-lifters were included in the old 6021 CU. If they are in the new booster,egad,....[xx(] Dr Dirt Fry the decoders, really? Fry the control units, OK, or fry the pickup shoes maybe. But how could it fry the decoders? How about using Delta units as boosters? They have longer delay than the 6017 so maybe there is a need for ski-lifters if you use those.
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Lars Westerlind		#12 Posted : 05 July 2008 23:25:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/10/2001(UTC) Posts: 2,379 Location: Lindome, Sweden		I think the only place Märklin describes using Delta Control as booster is the digital book "Einsteig in Märklin digital". The schema at p 73 clearly describes Delta control without ski lifter to the main digital track. (Of course, several Deltas should not be daisy chained, to avoid ackumulative delay, but all take the control signal from the CU). I don't Märklin ever described using Delta control with the CS (or MobStat). In fact, to my knowledge Delta Control is the only available booster for Mobile Station, including of me known third party boosters. But to me it seems clear that MobStat/CS output should be isolated by ski lifters OR separate circuits to avoid destroying the CS/Mobstat output (or feedback) circuits. /lw
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kbvrod		#13 Posted : 06 July 2008 00:32:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,597 Location: Beverly, MA		Hi all, Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by perz Fry the decoders, really? Fry the control units, OK, or fry the pickup shoes maybe. But how could it fry the decoders? How about using Delta units as boosters? They have longer delay than the 6017 so maybe there is a need for ski-lifters if you use those. Your right!Maybe a CU,ugh! But can anyone tell me if you have fried a ski,Märklin,not snow,... Now one has ever had a fried decoder???Or been fried? So try this; have two CU's on the layout,without a ski-lifter,now if it stalls and bridges the two,tell us what happen,... Dr Dirt (watching his diet)
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clapcott		#14 Posted : 06 July 2008 01:24:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,448 Location: Wellington, New_Zealand		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Lars Westerlind .... In fact, to my knowledge Delta Control is the only available booster for Mobile Station, including of me known third party boosters. /lw There is the 60129 "Connect 6017" which uses the same parasitic concept
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Jacob5432		#15 Posted : 20 July 2008 04:46:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/04/2006(UTC) Posts: 56		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by steventrain <br />I have email from marklin that 60172 mfx booster will delivery from October 2008. This is great news Steven. Has anyone been able to confirm this? Dealers? Lutz?
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Bigdaddynz		#16 Posted : 20 July 2008 05:09:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,778 Location: New Zealand		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Jacob5432 <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by steventrain <br />I have email from marklin that 60172 mfx booster will delivery from October 2008. This is great news Steven. Has anyone been able to confirm this? Dealers? Lutz? Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by steventrain <br />I have email from marklin that 60172 mfx booster will delivery from October 2008. What is dealer/Lutz confirmation going to achieve?? Stephen's information comes direct from Marklin, and I for one have no reason to doubt that.
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Jacob5432		#17 Posted : 20 July 2008 07:25:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/04/2006(UTC) Posts: 56		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Jacob5432 <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by steventrain <br />I have email from marklin that 60172 mfx booster will delivery from October 2008. This is great news Steven. Has anyone been able to confirm this? Dealers? Lutz? What is dealer/Lutz confirmation going to achieve?? Stephen's information comes direct from Marklin, and I for one have no reason to doubt that. Yes, you are right. No reason to doubt Steven. It just seems incredible after all this time and as there is no mention of it in Märklin's Lieferterminlisten I hoped that maybe someone else could add more info...
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Bigdaddynz		#18 Posted : 20 July 2008 07:38:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,778 Location: New Zealand		Hmmm, well we do hope that the date given by Marklin to Stephen does turn out to be correct, we have waited over 3 years after all. Given that ESU have released the Ecosboost, it would be reasonable to assume that the Marklin booster will not be far away. I guess time will tell.
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steventrain		#19 Posted : 20 July 2008 10:43:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,697 Location: United Kingdom		Information Email came from Marklin Customer service.
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Hemmerich		#20 Posted : 21 July 2008 17:36:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz ... and I for one have no reason to doubt that. Me neither, as his and my source for this info are both Märklin, directly (maybe just different people/teams).
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