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Offline ozzman  
#1 Posted : 06 May 2008 03:45:46(UTC)
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The following was an ABC Online news item this morning:


NZ to buy back rail services from Toll
By New Zealand correspondent Kerri Ritchie and wires

Posted Mon May 5, 2008 1:49pm AEST

The New Zealand Government has announced it is buying back the nation's rail and ferry services, 15 years after they were privatised.

Under the deal, Australia's biggest freight company Toll Holdings will be paid $500 million.

New Zealand Rail was sold in 1993 by the then National Government, and then Toll Holdings bought it and split the business.

Under the deal, Toll gets to keep its freight forwarding operations, but the New Zealand Government will have complete control of the rail network.

The sale is expected to be finalised by the end of next month.

It is encouraging companies to use rail to transport freight, to take the pressure off the country's roads.

Prime Minister Helen Clark said the rail services needed new investment and that the deal would allow the Government to develop the network as part of its climate change strategy.

"Modernising our transport sector is central to transforming our economy and making it truly sustainable," she said.

"With rising fuel prices and growing awareness about the challenge of global climate change, many nations are looking to rail as a central part of 21st century economic infrastructure."

Finance Minister Michael Cullen said buying back the business was the best way of increasing investment in the industry.

"The selling off our public rail system in the early 1990s and the running down of the asset afterwards has been a painful lesson for New Zealand," he said.

Today's agreement ends a long-running dispute between the Government and Toll over who should pay for an upgrade of the rail network.

- ABC/AFP



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Offline spitzenklasse  
#2 Posted : 06 May 2008 04:11:10(UTC)
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Well, as socialistic as it may be, the money needs to go into the infrastructure for a time and not to shareholders.
US railroads went under govt. control in 1976. Conrail (freight) and Amtrak (pass.) Only Norfolk Southern and Union Pacific are privatized. PRR,Penn central,New York Central, B&0, all became Amtrak.
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#3 Posted : 06 May 2008 09:00:36(UTC)
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Yes, well the saga of New Zealand Railways and its various incarnations. During the mid 1990's the New Zealand Railways was sold by the then National Government for something like $NZ380 million to a consortium that included Wisconsin Rail and Fay Ritchwhite Merchant Bankers (they of America's Cup fame). That consortium proceeded to asset strip the company, by then called Tranzrail, and ran it into the ground. Tranzrail was purchased by Toll Rail, an Australian transport company about 4 years ago. The NZ Government has now brought the railway back, because agreement could not be reached with Toll as to how much Toll should pay for track maintenance.

Read about it here:- http://www.stuff.co.nz/4511142a13.html
Offline xxup  
#4 Posted : 06 May 2008 09:38:59(UTC)
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Looks like the Village Idiots that run our State are trying to sell off Queensland Rail... The difference is that the local rail infrastructure is already a mess. My guess is that the theory is that it is hard to see how anyone else can make it worse! Guess who now has $500 million to spend on another 1:1 scale railway???
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Offline MärCo  
#5 Posted : 06 May 2008 12:16:42(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by spitzenklasse
<br />Well, as socialistic as it may be, the money needs to go into the infrastructure for a time and not to shareholders.
US railroads went under govt. control in 1976. Conrail (freight) and Amtrak (pass.) Only Norfolk Southern and Union Pacific are privatized. PRR,Penn central,New York Central, B&0, all became Amtrak.


Penn Central was formed when the two rivals Pensylvania Railroad company (PRR) and New York Central went together to avoid bankruptcy.
In the end bankruptcy could not be avoided and almost the entire eastcoast of the USA wouldn't have railtransport anymore. To avoid this, the US government started Conrail and Amtrak.
Apart from Union Pacific and Norfolk Southern there are many more private railroad companies.
Absolutly AFB-NOHAB fan ;-)
Offline Macfire  
#6 Posted : 06 May 2008 14:04:38(UTC)
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How our cartoonists view the purchase:

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Rod Emmerson (Helen Clark - our P.M.)

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Tom Scott

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Mike Moreu (Dr. Michael Cullen - our Minister of Finance)

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Chicane
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Offline ozzman  
#7 Posted : 06 May 2008 14:58:36(UTC)
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LOL

And to think that our Premier (NSW - Morris Iemma) wants to press ahead, in defiance of his party, and privatize the state electricity system. Pollies never cease to amaze me.
Gary
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Offline Macfire  
#8 Posted : 11 May 2008 04:35:50(UTC)
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Here is a fantastic wiki site for NZR locomotives:

http://en.wikipedia.org/...comotives_of_New_Zealand

Enjoy..
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Offline steventrain  
#9 Posted : 11 May 2008 10:50:35(UTC)
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Thanks for the link, Macfire.Smile
Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
Offline Macfire  
#10 Posted : 12 May 2008 16:03:54(UTC)
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Other Railway Themed Cartoons:

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NZ Herald Friday 9th May
Electoral Train
Helen Clark (P.M.) & Dr Michael Cullen (Finance Minister)
aka The Evil Doctor Colon

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NZ Herald Saturday 10th May
Taxpayer & Helen Clark (P.M.)
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Offline Macfire  
#11 Posted : 14 May 2008 05:26:51(UTC)
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NZ Herald 14th May
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Offline soren36  
#12 Posted : 14 May 2008 06:16:39(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by spitzenklasse
<br />Well, as socialistic as it may be, the money needs to go into the infrastructure for a time and not to shareholders.
US railroads went under govt. control in 1976. Conrail (freight) and Amtrak (pass.) Only Norfolk Southern and Union Pacific are privatized. PRR,Penn central,New York Central, B&0, all became Amtrak.


In the US, long-haul passenger rail traffic is indeed government controlled via AMTRAK, however -

When it comes to US freight traffic the business is overwhelmingly privately owned and operated. And, according to the World bank, US rail freight operations are by far the most efficient in the world (see our rail freight story in the attached essay, written in 2008). Note that ALL rail freight infrastructure and rolling stock is paid in full by our privately owned rail freight companies.

http://www.tomorrowsrail...TheIndustry/Overview.pdf
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Offline Macfire  
#13 Posted : 22 May 2008 04:57:30(UTC)
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New Auckland to Wellington rail service floated

http://www.nzherald.co.n...96&objectid=10511305

Believe me folks - this would be no ICE
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Offline xxup  
#14 Posted : 22 May 2008 05:27:41(UTC)
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So the ICE 3000 is a real prototype for NZ railways.... biggrinbiggrinbiggrin
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Offline ozzman  
#15 Posted : 22 May 2008 06:54:10(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Macfire
<br />New Auckland to Wellington rail service floated

http://www.nzherald.co.n...96&objectid=10511305

Believe me folks - this would be no ICE


Does that mean the sheep of NZ would be safe?
Gary
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#16 Posted : 22 May 2008 12:27:54(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by xxup
<br />So the ICE 3000 is a real prototype for NZ railways.... biggrinbiggrinbiggrin


Yes it was the test prototype for the new train....
Offline Macfire  
#17 Posted : 22 May 2008 15:11:02(UTC)
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Nev - Yep

Gary - Yep

Smile
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Offline Macfire  
#18 Posted : 26 May 2008 23:52:29(UTC)
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And the latest;
It goes from $ to $$$$$$$$$

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http://stuff.co.nz/4558571a23917.html
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Offline Macfire  
#19 Posted : 29 May 2008 00:21:14(UTC)
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NZ Herald 28th May.
Rod Emmerson.

I hope that these cartoons are being enjoyed by the Forum.
Do you still want me to keep posting them?
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Offline ozzman  
#20 Posted : 29 May 2008 02:35:21(UTC)
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Yes please. Prototype railways exist in a social and political context, and I personally think it's important that we're aware of all that sort of thing.
Gary
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Offline Macfire  
#21 Posted : 29 May 2008 04:06:36(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by ozzman
<br />Yes please. Prototype railways exist in a social and political context, and I personally think it's important that we're aware of all that sort of thing.


Your wish is my command biggrin biggrin
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Offline Macfire  
#22 Posted : 03 July 2008 05:46:25(UTC)
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Deal signed.
Press relase NZ Herald 3rd July:

Govt: We paid top dollar for rail

The Government admitted it paid a premium price to buy back the former state railway company, and says further huge investment will be needed in the newly named KiwiRail company.

But Prime Minister Helen Clark justified the deal, saying rail could not have survived without substantial Government subsidies.

She also cited the fuel efficiencies rail offered freight haulers over road, saying these would lessen the "carbon footprint of our transport network" and take trucks off the road.

One locomotive could pull as much as 65 trucks could carry, she said.

The Government paid Toll Holdings $690 million for its company, $25 million more than was announced in May.

The extra covers transition costs such as payments to senior Toll staff to stay on and help in the handover to new owners.

The Government has renamed the company KiwiRail, following the pattern it set with the state-owned Kiwibank and the Government-subsidised retirement savings scheme KiwiSaver.

Former National Prime Minister Jim Bolger accepted the role of chairman of the board in a move that has stung National, which opposes the deal, and angered New Zealand First leader Winston Peters.

Mr Peters made a rare criticism of Finance Minister Michael Cullen yesterday over the appointment because Mr Bolger headed the Government in 1993 that sold New Zealand Rail to a private consortium, including Fay Richwhite.

Dr Cullen said at least $80 million would have to be spent over five years on KiwiRail rolling stock.

But he suggested that the cost would be more than this.

He would be taking a paper to the Cabinet in a few weeks with a "longer term, more aggressive investment programme".

That is thought to mean an investment plan for hundreds of millions, if not billions, of dollars that would need to be raised by borrowing.

It's separate from the $400 million already earmarked for a five-year upgrade of the tracks, which the Government bought back in 2003 for $1.

Pressed by Mr Key, who accused the Government of paying too much for the latest acquisition, Dr Cullen said: "There is no question the Government has paid a premium price.

"But the alternative is continuing to subsidise a foreign-owned company failing to invest sufficiently in basic infrastructure, increased expenditure required on roading, increased accidents on the road, and increased greenhouse gas emissions at a direct cost to the taxpayer."

On Mr Bolger's appointment, Mr Key has said he was glad to have someone strong at the helm of KiwiRail, but it would not stop National holding the Government to account over the costs.

Mr Bolger acknowledged the irony in him accepting the job of heading the company he sold in 1993.

"My life is full of ironies."

But he said life was dramatically different from 1993. One difference was that oil was then US$25 a barrel and was now about US$150.

He hoped that if National became the Government it would invest heavily in KiwiRail.

It was very clear the system had been under-capitalised for many years.

"If there is any regret I see looking at it from the time it was in private hands ... it is that the capital injection necessary to maintain a modern rail system hasn't happened."

Mr Bolger, who also chairs NZ Post and Kiwibank, will be joined on the board by Brian Corban, Mark Franklin, Ross Wilson, Brian Jackson, Linda Constable and Ross Martin.

Yesterday's announcement is the first of two big Government moves this week that Labour will hope gives it momentum to close in on National before the election.

An announcement on a new tertiary institution in South Auckland is expected tomorrow.
* What the money bought

Through its Ontrack company, the Government already owns the rail system, which includes 4000km of track, six million sleepers, 1787 bridges, 150 tunnels, 12,000 culverts and signalling infrastructure including points, railway level crossing alarms, electrification and communications systems.

Ontrack also controls the trains on the network. It has a staff of 900.

After yesterday's sale, the Government, through the KiwiRail company, will also own 180 mainline locomotives, 4200 wagons, two railway workshops - in Dunedin and the Hutt - one rail ferry and leases on two other ferries.

The company employs about 2300 people in its rail and ferry operations.
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Offline Macfire  
#23 Posted : 03 July 2008 05:57:30(UTC)
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How others see the purchase:

Kiwirail Logo
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Prototype Paint job
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Engineer Mike Gillum with a new-look diesel-electric locomotive in Wellington yesterday. Photo / Mark Mitchell

Murray Webb 3rd July
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Jim Bolger - the new boss
As in the news article Jim is an ex PM from the National Party who sold the network!!
A case of sleeping with the enemy?

Mike Moreu 3rd July
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Tom Scott 3rd July
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Chicane 3rd July
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NZ Herald 2nd July
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Helen Clark staying mum on the true cost.
Cartoon refers to a elderly resthome resident who was gagged with tape across the mouth because she was too noisy.

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Offline ozzman  
#24 Posted : 03 July 2008 06:48:59(UTC)
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Thanks for the update. This whole sorry episode should ring alarm bells loud and clear whenever anyone talks about privatising anything (including electricity).
Gary
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Offline Macfire  
#25 Posted : 09 July 2008 13:30:30(UTC)
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Here is the History of New Zealand's Railway system in Locomotive colours:

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NZR Da1410 C Johnson

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NZR DBR1295 © B McNally
This sceme is 30 years old and some locos are still painted this way!

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NZ Rail DXR8007 L Holden

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Westrail D1566 & D1565 © D E Parsons

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TranzRail_DQ6324 Matt von Furrie

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TranzRail DFT7145 J.Christianson

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Toll Rail DAR517 Andrew Hamblyn

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MAXX DBR1199 (Auckland Regional Rail) James.Pole

KiwiRail to follow shortly
Also once I find the Original Dx and "Class 30" scheme I'll add them as well.


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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#26 Posted : 09 July 2008 13:36:07(UTC)
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So now we have 3 colour schemes

- Tranz Rail
- Toll Rail
- and now KiwiRail

Sounds like the DB Railways through the 70's, 80's and 90's.
Offline ozzman  
#27 Posted : 09 July 2008 15:14:07(UTC)
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Thanks for the update Macca. No one should complain about lack of variety!
Gary
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Offline DamonKelly  
#28 Posted : 09 July 2008 17:50:52(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by ozzman
<br />Thanks for the update. This whole sorry episode should ring alarm bells loud and clear whenever anyone talks about privatising anything (including electricity).


Or, alternatively, the perils of nationalising anything in the first place...
Cheers,
Damon
Offline Macfire  
#29 Posted : 04 August 2008 12:05:42(UTC)
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Finally the new Scheme:

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Images thanks to work colleague Scott Osmond
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#30 Posted : 04 August 2008 12:29:39(UTC)
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Note the choice of Labour Party red in the colours. Next thing we will all be singing 'The Red Flag' soon.

KiwiRail, along with KiwiBank and KiwiSaver, the list of stupid names gets even longer.
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