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Offline Zora la rousse  
#1 Posted : 27 February 2008 22:29:31(UTC)
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I saw some lovely TRIX cars, 24102 and 24103, in the TRIX leaflet. I am planning to save money to buy one of these, but I still have some questions:

1) Can these wagons run on Märklin rails?
2) Does coupling 72060 fits on these wagons?
3) Anything else I should know if I want to run this models on Märklin?

Many thanks wink.

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Offline Hoffmann  
#2 Posted : 27 February 2008 22:53:23(UTC)
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Hello Zora,

Trix Cars will run on Marklin, this car has NEM Coupler Pockets so you can use the 72060 Couplers on this car.
You may want to change the wheels with marklin Wheels # 34 3012 11.

If you are purchasing the Car from a Dealer ask him/her to exchange the wheels for free.

Martin
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Offline Caplin  
#3 Posted : 27 February 2008 22:54:30(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Zora la rousse
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3) Anything else I should know if I want to run this models on Märklin?
Let the dealer replace the wheels for AC. They usually do it for free on a new purchase.
Regards,
Benny - Outsider and MFDWPL

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Offline steventrain  
#4 Posted : 27 February 2008 22:56:49(UTC)
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The both have NEM coupler pockets and a close coupler mechanism, So you can change to 72060.






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Offline Goofy  
#5 Posted : 27 February 2008 23:40:28(UTC)
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Marklin has also some railwaycars era 1 new tool and the wheelset can also been changed to 2-rail system.

Railwaycars are in same tool,so there is no problem by using it...!

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Offline TTRExpress  
#6 Posted : 28 February 2008 03:28:06(UTC)
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You can run the new TRIX 2-rail DC wagons and coaches on Maerklin track. You do not have to change wheel sets on these wagons unless you really want to. You can use DC wheel sets on AC track systems but not vice versa. The close couplers that come with the TRIX wagons are identical to the Maerklin ones so you may not need to change those out if you use the close couplers. The standard loop coupler for NEM pockets is 72060 so you should have no problem changing those out (all you need is a fine pair of tweezers to pinch the "spring ends" and gently pull out close coupler from the front).

Since TRIX was bought out by Maerklin the tooling on couplers and other common parts are now nearly the same. The rail profile heights of both Maerklin and TRIX C-track are both 2.1 mm so you do not need to worry about wheel flanges any longer from TRIX unless you end-up with a TRIX Express wheel set which have flange heights of 2.0 mm!!

These wagons do not have lights so no need to worry about changing wheel sets unless you absolutely must use the AC ones.
Regards (a Scot in Wisconsin),

Maurice [ETE, TTRCA, IG-TRIX Express, Maerklin-Insider & TRIX Profi-Club]
Offline mbarreto  
#7 Posted : 28 February 2008 11:28:49(UTC)
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Hello,
I am new to the forum, and I wish all the best to all forum members.
I need to say that I always like to read Lutz, Luis and Steven posts. Marklin-users.net is great.
Relative to this topic I would like to say that I run Trix wagons on Marklin track and mixed with Marklin wagons and Locomotives without any problem. The couplers are the same, and the wheels, at least on C track have not give to me any problem. In fact I prefer the Trix wheels than the Marklin ones.

Miguel
Best regards,
Miguel
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#8 Posted : 28 February 2008 11:33:28(UTC)
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Welcome to the forum Miguel. Thanks for your comments about Trix cars running on Marklin track, also Maurice thanks for your comments too. You both answer some questions I had about running Trix cars. Thanks.
Offline Zora la rousse  
#9 Posted : 28 February 2008 12:23:51(UTC)
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Many thanks for the replies Smile.
I use the 72060 coupling because it fits better to the old tinplate couplings.
I will ask for the Märklin wheels.
You are never too late to become a Märklin fan.
Offline MärCo  
#10 Posted : 28 February 2008 15:19:47(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by TTRExpress
<br />Since TRIX was bought out by Maerklin the tooling on couplers and other common parts are now nearly the same. The rail profile heights of both Maerklin and TRIX C-track are both 2.1 mm so you do not need to worry about wheel flanges any longer from TRIX unless you end-up with a TRIX Express wheel set which have flange heights of 2.0 mm!!

Sorry, but Märklin C track is code 90 and TRIX C track is code 83.
Absolutly AFB-NOHAB fan ;-)
Offline Caplin  
#11 Posted : 28 February 2008 17:18:41(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by MärCo
<br />Sorry, but Märklin C track is code 90 and TRIX C track is code 83.
Track code is new to me. What does it mean?
Regards,
Benny - Outsider and MFDWPL

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Offline TTRExpress  
#12 Posted : 28 February 2008 17:23:48(UTC)
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Thanks to everyone for the responses. Miguel, welcome to the Forum.

Code 90 track has a profile height of 2.28 mm (0.090"), Code 83 is 2.1 mm (0.083") I believe that Maerklin K-track is 2.3 mm profile height which is equivalent to Code 90. The NMRA and NEM standards are somewhat different. I have actually experimented with combining both Maerklin and TRIX C-track for running new TRIX 2-rail DC items and found no issues whatsoever as long as one isolates the rails of the Maerklin C-track. In conversing with our Maerklin, USA representatives here there is no difference between the rail heights of both track systems.

As I mentioned the only wheel sets that you absolutely cannot use with either track system are the TRIX Express or TRIX Twin wheel sets that have much larger wheel flanges and were designed for use with track that has a rail profile height of 3.3 mm (0.130" approx. Code 124 track) that is commonly used for O-scale. TRIX International 2-rail track has a profile height of 2.7 mm (0.106").

I have attached an interesting link discussing the use of wheel sets etc.


http://www.frankenbahn.d...dcwagenfuermaerklinE.htm
Regards (a Scot in Wisconsin),

Maurice [ETE, TTRCA, IG-TRIX Express, Maerklin-Insider & TRIX Profi-Club]
Offline Caplin  
#13 Posted : 28 February 2008 17:45:15(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by TTRExpress
<br />I have attached an interesting link discussing the use of wheel sets etc.
http://www.frankenbahn.d...dcwagenfuermaerklinE.htm
Thanks for explaining the codes, Maurice. Great link, besides wheels it covers NEM 362 pockets.
Regards,
Benny - Outsider and MFDWPL

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Offline TTRExpress  
#14 Posted : 28 February 2008 18:48:54(UTC)
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Thanks Benny. Glad it the Code explanation was useful. It is used extensively among US and British modelers. I know that the National Model Railroad Association (NMRA) here in the USA sets the standards for these track codes as does NEM in Europe.

TRIX also makes an adapter track to go from Code 100 to Code 83 track. I can connect my older TRIX International track to the new TRIX C-track with this adapter and with some filing at the rail joints have smooth operation. Thus my thought is that the TRIX C-track itself is Code 83 (2.1 mm) which is the same profile height as later Maerklin M-type (not the solid 3rd rail) and C-tracks which would make them Code 83 also, not the Code 90 which I believe K-track to be.

To make certain of Marklin C-, K-, M- and TRIX C- profile heights I will measure them at home this evening and give a definitive answer.
Regards (a Scot in Wisconsin),

Maurice [ETE, TTRCA, IG-TRIX Express, Maerklin-Insider & TRIX Profi-Club]
Offline TTRExpress  
#15 Posted : 28 February 2008 21:13:12(UTC)
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MarCo you were correct with the difference in the C-track profile heights.

Track profile heights:

Maerklin C-track is 2.3 mm (0.090" or Code 90)
TRIX C-track is 2.1 mm (0.083" or Code 83)

Maerklin M-track is 2.5 mm (~0.010" or Code 100)
Maerklin K-track is 2.54 mm (0.010" or Code 100)

The reason that TRIX C-track is a lower track profile height is to accommodate the 2-rail DC market and the RP-25 wheel sets. The Maerklin C-track height of 2.3 mm is to accommodate the AC wheel sets that have a slightly different axle and flange height.

However, if you use TRIX Express track and TRIX Twin universal points you can operate any wheel set!!

This is truly what makes this hobby fun!! Having lots of choices of what to model and what to operate!!

Cool
Regards (a Scot in Wisconsin),

Maurice [ETE, TTRCA, IG-TRIX Express, Maerklin-Insider & TRIX Profi-Club]
Offline TTRExpress  
#16 Posted : 06 March 2008 03:23:01(UTC)
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For those that are still interested in track profile heights. I am attaching a link to the NEM-120 document that gives you all the details. The other NEM documents are very interesting also if you care to browse them.

http://www.miba.de/morop/nem120-d.pdf
Regards (a Scot in Wisconsin),

Maurice [ETE, TTRCA, IG-TRIX Express, Maerklin-Insider & TRIX Profi-Club]
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