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Offline kbvrod  
#1 Posted : 15 February 2008 19:58:27(UTC)
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Offline Goofy  
#2 Posted : 15 February 2008 20:12:07(UTC)
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I feel sorry for Fleischmann,but also necessary to survive by supporting from another company.

I hopes so that both company will coperation together without any trouble too into future...!

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Offline al_pignolo  
#3 Posted : 15 February 2008 20:55:43(UTC)
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It seems that Roco is in a very good situation. Only a few years ago it was in economical troubles... now the large number of news for 2008 and this buyout means that the new management is working very well.

I too hope that this will give advantages for our hobby (and, even if I'm not intereste on Fleischmann stuffs, that this brand will keep its high quality!)

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#4 Posted : 15 February 2008 21:05:06(UTC)
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I too hope that this will give advantages for our hobby (and, even if I'm not intereste on Fleischmann stuffs, that this brand will keep its high quality!)

Pietro


That is the heart of the matter for me. My Fleischmann items are much better quality than the Roco ones. The quality of Fleischmann is comparable to Märklin, and has always been made in Germany.

It will be a sad day if the range is cut right down and replaced by Roco items.
For me this is not good news.[:(]

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Peter.

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Offline Armando  
#5 Posted : 15 February 2008 21:09:56(UTC)
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I think Fleischmann was a very serious company. I'm especially fond of their richly detailed short DRG, Prussian and Bavarian passenger coaches, as well as some of their older Era III coaches.

Hopefully, some new interesting 303mm passenger coaches will come out of this team play.
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Offline steventrain  
#6 Posted : 15 February 2008 21:27:44(UTC)
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NUREMBERG - The German-Austrian model railroad Holding GmbH makes the Nuremberg competitors Fleischmann.

It upheld the tradition of Bavarian companies. The purchase price was not disclosed. The model railroad holding company has its headquarters in Freilassing in Austrian mountain home near Salzburg. The company is also the majority owner of the Fleischmann-rivals Roco. Behind the holding company, the Upper Bavarian businessman Franz-Josef Haslberger, with the dry mortar Hasit GmbH especially in the construction industry operates.

"With the new owners, we have excellent opportunities for growth," said Fleischmann Managing Director Hans-Peter Forester in a written message. For further economic perspective, the company was now a "solid financial base". From the previous owner family to senior chief Horst Fleischmann was yesterday no opinion more.

What impact the acquisition of Fleischmann on the staff, is still unclear. From insider circles was reported, however, that the model railroad holding parallel to the mark Roco wants to continue. The ongoing recovery plan at least financially declining company should also continue.

This provides, inter alia, the concentration of production at the plant Heilsbronn. The location Dinkelsbühl, with eight employees will be no chance of survival more acknowledged. Whether the headquarters in Nuremberg has a future, is considered open. Fleischmann currently employs approximately 340 employees, and most recently a turnover of 22.5 million €. Just a few days ago had junior chief Rolf Fleischmann announced that this year the long decline in sales the first time, should be stopped.

With Fleischmann loses the once large model train location Nuremberg to Arnold, Trix and LGB his last well-known independent producers in the industry. 1887 by Jean Fleischmann founded, the company initially tin toys such as ships and aircraft. 1938, the firm was also in Nuremberg established competitors Doll & Co., among other steam engines and electric cars already in the program.

1949 Fleischmann initially presented its own model railroad in size "0" before 1952, the company also available in the market today, the ones Gauge «» H0 (scale 1:87) einstieg - the final breakthrough. Since Fleischmann focused mainly on the model railroads and employed at the end of the 1970s and early 1980s more than 700 employees. The interim Author start of a race track-range but failed.

The only slowly abklingende current crisis of the model train industry since the late 1990s, however, covered the Nuremberg - losses and sales declines were the result. With the sale to the Model Railroad Holding ranks, the company is now one of a long series of other industries sizes, which this phase is not without help from outside survived.

So even survived leader Märklin few years ago only through the entry of the financial investor Kingsbridge. And the model railroad holding even rescued a few months ago the Austrian Roco final. The Fleischmann-rival incidentally stands today as bright - perhaps a positive omen.
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#7 Posted : 15 February 2008 21:41:02(UTC)
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It is a shame to see another brand go the way of investment capital. When I got back into MRR in the 70's because my sons (then 7 and 10) showed an interest, we were living in Heidelberg. The choices we considered were Marklin or Fleischmann. After many trips to the hobby stores in the Kornmarkt and the FamiliaCenter, we went with Marklin because we liked the feel of it better, but Fleishmann was a very nice product too. I hope the new owners maintain the separate brand in substance and not in name only. It is a sad thing to see a proud independent brand submerged in a corporate takeover. I see this happening with one of my customers. Mack Trucks are rapidly becoming a Volvo with a Bulldog on the hood.
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#8 Posted : 15 February 2008 23:08:54(UTC)
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I think Fleischmann are safe enough. Roco seem to have been left to get on with making good models.

I'm a little ambivelent about Fleischmann. Their thunderboxes are superb, but I think they lagged behind Marklin with their post-war DB stock for some time (lack of close couplings, plus a gap between bogies and solebar).
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#9 Posted : 15 February 2008 23:39:16(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by steventrain
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NUREMBERG - The German-Austrian model railroad Holding GmbH makes the Nuremberg competitors Fleischmann.

It upheld the tradition of Bavarian companies. The purchase price was not disclosed. The model railroad holding company has its headquarters in Freilassing in Austrian mountain home near Salzburg. The company is also the majority owner of the Fleischmann-rivals Roco. Behind the holding company, the Upper Bavarian businessman Franz-Josef Haslberger, with the dry mortar Hasit GmbH especially in the construction industry operates.

"With the new owners, we have excellent opportunities for growth," said Fleischmann Managing Director Hans-Peter Forester in a written message. For further economic perspective, the company was now a "solid financial base". From the previous owner family to senior chief Horst Fleischmann was yesterday no opinion more.

What impact the acquisition of Fleischmann on the staff, is still unclear. From insider circles was reported, however, that the model railroad holding parallel to the mark Roco wants to continue. The ongoing recovery plan at least financially declining company should also continue.

This provides, inter alia, the concentration of production at the plant Heilsbronn. The location Dinkelsbühl, with eight employees will be no chance of survival more acknowledged. Whether the headquarters in Nuremberg has a future, is considered open. Fleischmann currently employs approximately 340 employees, and most recently a turnover of 22.5 million €. Just a few days ago had junior chief Rolf Fleischmann announced that this year the long decline in sales the first time, should be stopped.

With Fleischmann loses the once large model train location Nuremberg to Arnold, Trix and LGB his last well-known independent producers in the industry. 1887 by Jean Fleischmann founded, the company initially tin toys such as ships and aircraft. 1938, the firm was also in Nuremberg established competitors Doll & Co., among other steam engines and electric cars already in the program.

1949 Fleischmann initially presented its own model railroad in size "0" before 1952, the company also available in the market today, the ones Gauge «» H0 (scale 1:87) einstieg - the final breakthrough. Since Fleischmann focused mainly on the model railroads and employed at the end of the 1970s and early 1980s more than 700 employees. The interim Author start of a race track-range but failed.

The only slowly abklingende current crisis of the model train industry since the late 1990s, however, covered the Nuremberg - losses and sales declines were the result. With the sale to the Model Railroad Holding ranks, the company is now one of a long series of other industries sizes, which this phase is not without help from outside survived.

So even survived leader Märklin few years ago only through the entry of the financial investor Kingsbridge. And the model railroad holding even rescued a few months ago the Austrian Roco final. The Fleischmann-rival incidentally stands today as bright - perhaps a positive omen.


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Offline elinkjoe  
#10 Posted : 15 February 2008 23:47:19(UTC)
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The quality of Fleischmann Era I coaches is superb. Hopefully Roco will allow that tradition of quality to continue. If not, I will be left with Brawa and Trix for Era I rolling stock.

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#11 Posted : 16 February 2008 00:25:16(UTC)
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I hope Roco keeps the fleischmann line of freight cars most of all - the ones I have of recent manufacture appear to be some of the better made and detailed available (better than most of marklin's freight).
I suppose now I have definitely have to get their anniversary set, with the era 1 fire engines. I've been wanting it anyways.
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#12 Posted : 16 February 2008 00:37:23(UTC)
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You have the translations by google to love the way they come out

More the what can I say?

Mike C


Probably M* had his "Newities 2008" also translated by Google.biggrinbiggrinSmile
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#13 Posted : 16 February 2008 01:12:01(UTC)
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Hope Fleischmann will be allowed to continue to make their own great models... Don't want to see the Roco "loose parts", "warped plastic" or "sheering drive" syndromes...

To me, it's sad news that a quality brand has been swallowed by another (IMHO less reputable) company...
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#14 Posted : 16 February 2008 01:33:21(UTC)
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You have the translations by google to love the way they come out

More the what can I say?

Mike C

If you think Google Translation isa a bit funny read Yahoos Translation: Should be in hte Fun Topic.


NUERNBERG - the GermanAustrian model railway getting thing GmbH takes over the Nuernberger competitor meat man. The confirmed the Middle Franconian tradition enterprise. The purchase price became nothing admits. The model railway getting thing has its seat in freeread-sings and in the Austrian mountain home with Salzburg. The enterprise is also majority owner of the meat man competitor Roco. Behind that getting thing stands the Upper Bavarian businessman Franz Josef Haslberger, which is active with the Hasit ready-mix mortar GmbH particularly in the construction industry. "with the new owner we have outstanding wachstumschancen", avowed meat man managing directors Hans Peter Foerster in a written report. For the further economic perspective of the enterprise now a "solid financial basis" is created. By the past owner family around senior boss refuge meat man was to be gotten yesterday no more statement. The assumption of meat man has which effects on the coworkers, is momentarily still unclear. From Insider circles it was reported however that the model railway getting thing would like to let the mark keep running parallel to Roco. The up-to-date running scheme of reconstruction with the last financially fastened enterprise is besides is continued. This plans among other things the concentration of production on the work Heilsbronn. No more chances of survival are granted to the location Dinkelsbuehl with eight coworkers. Whether the master seat in Nuernberg has a future, is considered as open. Meat man employs up-to-date approximately 340 coworkers and gained last a conversion of 22,5 millions?. Only few days ago junior boss had announced Rolf meat man that this year the recession in sales for many years was to be stopped for the first time again. With meat man the once large model clearing and place Nuernberg loses its last considerable independent manufacturer of the industry after Arnold, Trix and LGB. 1887 of Jean Fleischmann based, manufactured the enterprise first sheet metal toys such as ships and airplanes. 1938 transfer the company likewise to Nuernberg the resident competitor Doll & CO, which had among other things steam engines and already electrical courses in the program. 1949 presented first its own model course in size "0" to meat man, before the enterprise entered 1952 also into the market of the today broadest track width "H0" (yardstick 1:87) - the final break-through. Since then meat man concentrated particularly in the model railways and employed end of the 1970er -, at the beginning of 1980-he 1980 more than 700 coworkers. The intermediate start of an author course assortment failed however. The only up-to-date slowly fading away crisis of the model course industry since end of the 1990er-Jahre seized however also the Nuernberger - losses and recessions in sales were the result. With the sales to the model railway getting thing lines up the enterprise now into a long number of other industry sizes, which did not get over this phase from the outside without assistance. Thus even market leader Maerklin survived some years ago only by the entrance of the financial investor Kingsbridge. And the model railway getting thing saved only few months ago the Austrian Roco finally. The meat man competitor by the way stands today again shining there - perhaps a positive Omen.

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Offline Minibahn  
#15 Posted : 16 February 2008 16:41:45(UTC)
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Hello,

Fleischmann was not bought from Roco but from the Haslberger group which bought 74% from Roco some weeks ago.

Marklin, Trix, LGB, Roco and Fleischmann had big difficulties and still have big difficulties. None of them had a chance to survive without fresh money.

The next step is that Haslberger (Roco/Fleischmann) will take ...... and Kingsbridge (Marklin, Trix, Huebner, LGB) will take .......

Strange : Roco is now belonging to a german group and Marklin is belonging to a group in Austria.

Even stranger : One year ago Mr. Haslberger lost an airplane (Cessna 501 Citation I/SP D-IMRX) in the Iraq under very strange conditions. He is doing business with many arabian countries and in eastern Europ and has very good connections to the russian Gazprom and the german government. As I have a wife and a child I think I wrote enough (:-)
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#16 Posted : 16 February 2008 18:54:32(UTC)
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Charles. To which group in Austria does Marklin belong.

David
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Offline Minibahn  
#17 Posted : 16 February 2008 20:16:03(UTC)
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Hello David,

Kingsbridge Capital is doing the Private Equity Business for the Hardt Group, Wien, Austria.
Regards Charles
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Offline mike c  
#18 Posted : 17 February 2008 05:35:07(UTC)
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One possible upside of the acquisition of Fleischmann by Modelleisenbahn GmBH is that we may actually see more Fleischmann models available in AC.

I for one would like to see the new Zuerich S-Bahn coaches with flusterschleifer and Roco's reverse lights mechanism rather than the one that Fleischmann used in earlier models.

Other than the first series of S-Bahn coaches and a few container cars, I do not have any Fleischmann products in my collection.

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#19 Posted : 17 February 2008 15:26:12(UTC)
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Kingsbridge Capital, London is part of the HARDT GROUP, an international alternative
investment company and was founded by Dr. Mathias Hink and Dr. Ion Florescu. With about
22 investment professionals in Vienna, London, Zug and New York the HARDT GROUP
advises corporate clients and manages an actual total investment volume of 860 million
USD. Kingsbridge Capital is a part of HARDT GROUP of private equity investors. As an active
owner and working in close collaboration with the management of acquired companies,
Kingsbridge Capital develops and implements strategies to add value to companies.
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#20 Posted : 17 February 2008 15:26:21(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by nevw
...meat man...
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Just lovely!!!
Nearly fell off the chair just now!
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#21 Posted : 17 February 2008 15:33:55(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by nevw
...meat man...
biggrinbiggrinbiggrinbiggrinbiggrin
Just lovely!!!
Nearly fell off the chair just now!


It is Yahoo Translation error.biggrin
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#22 Posted : 17 February 2008 18:06:20(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Minibahn
<br />Hello,

Fleischmann was not bought from Roco but from the Haslberger group which bought 74% from Roco some weeks ago.

Marklin, Trix, LGB, Roco and Fleischmann had big difficulties and still have big difficulties. None of them had a chance to survive without fresh money.

The next step is that Haslberger (Roco/Fleischmann) will take ...... and Kingsbridge (Marklin, Trix, Huebner, LGB) will take .......



Are you sure...
True : Helsberger bought 74 % of Modelleisenbahn GMBH .
But I haven't seen that Helsberger has bought a part of Fleischman .
it is written "fleischman bought by Modeleisenbahne GMBH" .So it means that 74% of what has been bought by Modelleisenbahn belongs to Helsberger or helsqberger group...

"Helsberger" or " Helsberger group" is different from " Modelleisenbahn gmbh"...
If I'm wrong , correct me please .

Who is Huebner : is it the electronic components manufacturer ?

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#23 Posted : 17 February 2008 18:20:45(UTC)
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Hi all,

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Originally posted by Minibahn
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Are you sure... it is written "fleischman bought by Modeleisenbahne GMBH" . May be i'm wrong .

Who is Huebner : is it the electronic components manufacturer ?
thanks


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#24 Posted : 17 February 2008 18:53:33(UTC)
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Hello,

Mr. Haslberger and his Modelleisenbahn Holding GmbH are the owner of Fleischmann and the owner of 74% of the Roco Modelleisenbahn GmbH. He is trying to get 100%.

Roco sells about 34 millions, Fleischmann sells about 22,5 millions. In Germany they are selling about the same, 15-18 millions.

There is no reason to believe that there has been something like a Roco turnaround. Some years ago Roco sold &gt; 50 millions. Roco produces tracks in Austria, everything else is made in eastern Europe and China.

Huebner made several great models for Marklin in 1-Gauge and started his own program for some years. In the last year Huebner was bought by Marklin/Kingsbridge and his products (produced in China) are now integrated in the Marklin Program.
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#25 Posted : 21 February 2008 18:51:15(UTC)
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Just heard that Nurnberg plant to be shifted to Romania, Is that right?
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#26 Posted : 21 February 2008 23:56:59(UTC)
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#27 Posted : 22 February 2008 00:08:18(UTC)
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#28 Posted : 22 February 2008 15:28:55(UTC)
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Offline WelshMatt  
#29 Posted : 22 February 2008 15:55:39(UTC)
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Well that would fit with "Meat Man" biggrin

No reason Eastern Europe can't keep the quality up. I'd far rather the models were made in an EU member state like Romania than China, not least because the EU guarantees rights such as freedom of speech...
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#30 Posted : 03 April 2008 21:50:12(UTC)
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Hi all,

According to the Nürnberger Nachrichten, Fleischmann indicated that
the production facilities in Nürnberg and Dinkelsbühl have no future
and they will concentrate their production at Heilsbronn. They also
made it official that some production and assembly will be moved to
Romania. 115 workers will lose their jobs in Germany. Management is
confident that there will be no interruption in production and
deliveries to dealers. And there will not be any 'closing' sales.

The only positive news is that Fleischmann and Roco will remain
independent companies even though they're both owned by the same
holding company.

Here's the Article (in German):

http://www.nn- online.de/ artik...& kat=5&man= 3


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#31 Posted : 03 April 2008 22:18:11(UTC)
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I would also rather see the jobs move to Eastern Europe rather than China! I think that the Marklin products coming out of Hungary have been high quality.

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#32 Posted : 04 April 2008 05:15:07(UTC)
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Well Gentlemen,

There goes perhaps the last German independent Model Train manufacturer. Fleischmann has always made some nice items with high quality just like the original TRIX (formerly Bing) in Nuremberg.

At some point in time there may only be one financial holding company that controls the purse strings for all these brands. Maybe they just are all slowly pricing themselves out of the marketplace.

Looks like we just better hold on to what we have as operators and collectors biggrin. We are the ones holding the cards!!
Regards (a Scot in Wisconsin),

Maurice [ETE, TTRCA, IG-TRIX Express, Maerklin-Insider & TRIX Profi-Club]
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Offline spitzenklasse  
#33 Posted : 08 April 2008 16:45:25(UTC)
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I agree, I like their craftsmanship. A higher price point than Roco, but worth it. Roco is also still nice work.
Hopefully they can keep the factory going without too much chinese outsourcing. I'd like to see the workers keep their jobs, and the models still come from Germany, and Austria.
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Offline steventrain  
#34 Posted : 13 April 2008 01:39:56(UTC)
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Following the recent news, the sale of the family Fleischmann Company to Modelleisenbahn Holding has now been completed.
The main production Fleischmann factory in Heilsbronn, just outside Nürnberg will be the new centre of operations – “Made in Franconia” being the new watchword, whilst the original administrative headquarters in Nürnberg itself will be closed. Some parts may be produced outside Germany, probably in Rumania.
Once the restructuring and concentration in Heilsbronn is completed, then just 225 workers out of 340 will remain – a significant proportion of the company has thus been saved.
Deliveries of the Fleischmann ranges will continue as normal, as will the Fleischmann brand name itself.

Source Fleischmann UK Website.
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Offline Karl  
#35 Posted : 13 April 2008 07:39:39(UTC)
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So the bottom line is that Marklin is an Austrian company just like Lamborghini is German.
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