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Offline mascagni  
#1 Posted : 31 December 2007 14:15:18(UTC)
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Hi: I will be in Tokyo this weekend, and was wondering if you know of Shinkansen models in HO scale? What are the manufacturers and, if possible, some shop recommendations. BTW, is it too much to ask if 3-rail AC is available?--MM
Michael Mascagni, Tallahassee
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Offline viragoLDR  
#2 Posted : 31 December 2007 14:54:42(UTC)
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There are several H0 scale Shinkansen, but I don't think any of them are readily available. H0 isn't very common in Japan in the first place, and the manufacturers that do make H0 tend not to make Shinkansen. When they do, they're usually limited editions and are sold out before they're even manufactured.

Tomix makes quite a bit of H0, but in their current catalog there's no H0 Shinkansen, and none of it is either 3-rail or digital. You're best bet would be a (very limited) handmade model, but those are usually not really affordable. You might be lucky and find one in a small hobby store somewhere though.

Not sure where the stores are since I've never been to Japan, but judging by the stores list in the Tomix catalog, there should be a LOT of them all over Japan ;)
- Martijn
(early planning : H0-scale Era I K.Bay.sts.b)
(active planning : N-scale mixed late Era Japanese)
(possibly something Z-scale as well ;))
Offline shannon  
#3 Posted : 31 December 2007 15:27:18(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by mascagni
<br />Hi: I will be in Tokyo this weekend, and was wondering if you know of Shinkansen models in HO scale? What are the manufacturers and, if possible, some shop recommendations. BTW, is it too much to ask if 3-rail AC is available?--MM


see the link
http://www.mgsharp.com/Bachmann_Japanese.htm
http://www.tenshodo.co.j...ad/new/ho/500/index.html




Offline Falconrep  
#4 Posted : 07 January 2008 00:28:55(UTC)
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This might be a little late, but a few years ago acrodd from the Tokyo Jilton ther was a great little train store it's in the concourse underground below a park. It is an entrance to the subway system. They carried Tenshodo which are high quality brass I elieve, the train products were a bit too steep for even me, but the goos thing was they were all 2 Rail DC.
Hope this reaches you in time
Thomas Wondrock
Offline mascagni  
#5 Posted : 07 January 2008 06:32:51(UTC)
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Thomas: Do you mean the "Hilton"? Also, do you remember the subway stop, or the neighborhood it was in?--MM
Michael Mascagni, Tallahassee
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Offline widianto  
#6 Posted : 24 January 2008 11:39:00(UTC)
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Konnichiwa Michael..

I'd been to Tokyo, and there are several stores but not realy in Tokyo town, but still in the same prefecture. You can Go to Ebisu or Yokohama. SpeCially in Yokohama there are two stores that sale MRR. The one is in the mall besides Hard Rock Cafe Yokohama (Minatomirai), the other ones is besides Tokyu Hands Store. If you just wanna find in Tokyo, you could go to BIC camera, near Tokyo station. BIC camera is a mega store that not only sale camera's but also anything like toys. You could find a huge display of TOMIX there..in N (mostly or HO scale.) As far i know, it is hard to fine Shinkassen in HO scale.

I'll check it more later, and if i've found the Pictures..i'll post it here..

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Offline widianto  
#7 Posted : 24 January 2008 11:54:03(UTC)
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Moshi-moshi..
Here the picture Mike

UserPostedImage

The Tokyu Hands-store is behind this building

Happy Hunting
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Offline nfotis  
#8 Posted : 24 January 2008 12:28:46(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by shannon
<br />http://www.mgsharp.com/Bachmann_Japanese.htm
http://www.tenshodo.co.j...ad/new/ho/500/index.html


I still wonder, are there any H0-scale Shinkansen trains available?
Besides Tenshodo (which I guess isn't available anymore) I think there was a model of the original 'bullet train' by Lima decades ago (or am I wrong?).

It would be nice to have a Japanese Shinkansen in H0, anyway (personally, my favorite is the JR class 500 "Nozomi")

Cheers,
N.F.
Offline viragoLDR  
#9 Posted : 24 January 2008 12:45:33(UTC)
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As far as I know, Tenshodo still makes trains. But like all the Japanese brands, they make them in small batches, and Tenshodo makes them in even smaller batches due to the fact that H0 is just too big for the average Japanese home.

Tomix is fairly active in the H0 department, but I don't think they've ever made a Shinkansen in H0. Their catalog has plenty H0 models in it though.

For an H0 Shinkansen, Tenshodo would be your best bet, but they're expensive and very hard to get especially outside Japan. You could have a look at www.japanmodelrailways.com, and ask the owner of the shop about H0 Shinkansen. He's very helpful, and he has several contacts in Japan who are able to local in the small local stores there to see if they happen to have some rare model in stock. I've managed to get quite a few of my N-scale trains that way ;)

If you just want a Japanese train on your layout, or want to test a Tomix H0 train, or see if it's convertable to 3-rail, the new Tomix EH500 model can be recommended.

One thing I noticed in Tomix, Kato and MicroAce trains btw, is that they have excellent power pickup, usually on all wheels. In fact, Tomix's latest 700 series Shinkansen has power pickup from ALL wheels throughout the whole train. That means power pickup from 128 wheels, I don't think that one will have problems with dirty track or bad turnouts. Unless you have a 2.5 meter stretch of dirty track =)
- Martijn
(early planning : H0-scale Era I K.Bay.sts.b)
(active planning : N-scale mixed late Era Japanese)
(possibly something Z-scale as well ;))
Offline nfotis  
#10 Posted : 24 January 2008 20:18:11(UTC)
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Good evening,

thanks for the pointer, I think an electric locomotive and freight cars would be the ticket for a start
(I suppose there aren't any diesels in Japan mainline, right?).

In 1-2 months I will start checking seriously things (never travelled to Japan, and I don't expect to do that soon).

By the way, I am a 2-rail user, I just want to make my modules universally-used.

Cheers,
N.F.

Offline viragoLDR  
#11 Posted : 24 January 2008 23:01:54(UTC)
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Japan still uses a lot of diesels for both freight and passenger trains. The most common one is the DD51 which has been in use since around 1963. There's also the DE10, in use since about 1966, and a total of just over 700 of those were built. The DD51 is even used for sleeper and express trains, usually double-heading a string of 12 or so cars. I don't think Tomix has ever made either of those loco's in H0 though.

I've never traveled to Japan either, but I collect Japanese prototype N-scale, so I've done a fair bit of reading over the years =) The EH500 is a very environmentally friendly train, it's won awards for that. It usually hauls container trains which are by far the most common freight cars in Japan.

One thing to keep in mind though, is that certain parts of the Japanese trains are inferior to the European brands. Especially pantographs often look too plastic (they're not functional either.) On the other hand, their couplers look great, and they have some amazing lettering. Spare parts are also not insanely expensive ;)
- Martijn
(early planning : H0-scale Era I K.Bay.sts.b)
(active planning : N-scale mixed late Era Japanese)
(possibly something Z-scale as well ;))
Offline DamonKelly  
#12 Posted : 25 January 2008 11:58:59(UTC)
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Tenshodo made a series 500 Shinkansen in HO for Bachman, several years ago. (2 rail)
There are still a few around the shops here in Oz.

Cheers,
Damon
Offline mascagni  
#13 Posted : 28 January 2008 18:03:04(UTC)
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Thanks to all. I am back now for a couple of weeks and busy with other things. One colleague, from the Institute of Statistical Mathematics, took me to a electronics store in Akihabara, and they had some trains, but it was mostly a store specializing in other Japanese toys. My two youngest sons got birthday presents there, so it was very good to go!!

My train story is fun, but not so rewarding. My friend from the National Informatics Institute and I had lunch near the Jimbocho metro stop, and his office. After a nice Soba lunch, he took me for a stroll in the area, which is mainly the shopping area for books and prints. We went into a multi-level book store, and on the top floor there had been a big toy/train store. Unfortunately, he was unaware that it had moved out to a new location only two weeks before! I was disappointed, but had a great time in Japan in any case.

Two things:

1. I am now on a grant with people in Japan, and so should be going back with some frequency.
2. I have a still have a pile of Yen, and so when I get back I will have already financed a tear through a train store.

The story continues, and any more information will be used on subsequent trips. Thanks!!--MM
Michael Mascagni, Tallahassee
If I weren't a Mathematician, I'd be a Violinist.--Albert Einstein
Offline viragoLDR  
#14 Posted : 29 January 2008 13:40:01(UTC)
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Nice.. Wish I knew some people in Japan I could go and visit/stay at. Still never been in Japan, not the easiest country to visit if you go by yourself and don't read/speak the language ;)
- Martijn
(early planning : H0-scale Era I K.Bay.sts.b)
(active planning : N-scale mixed late Era Japanese)
(possibly something Z-scale as well ;))
Offline mascagni  
#15 Posted : 30 January 2008 17:45:25(UTC)
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Martin: I now have colleagues in Tokyo, near Kyoto, in Kyushu, and in Hiroshima. So I will be back at some point. Two suggestions to you about going to Japan:

1. Go, and don't worry about not speaking reading Japanese. Learn to say thank you and a few other things, and remember that in Japan, most restaurants have plastic models of their food in their windows. So...you can always walk your waiter outside and point!! Also, if you go to Tokyo, it's no biggie as their are English signs and many people speak English. Outside of Tokyo, it may be trickier, but that's the fun of traveling. Like in most parts of the world, if you look like you need the help of a native, a native will come along and help you!!
2. As a professor with an active research program, I get to go to many neat (and admittedly some not so neat) places to give talks and to collaborate. If you still have a choice in your career, academia has that as a major side benefit.

I have only been on subways and JR trains in Tokyo (their S-Bahn). I hope to take a Shinkansen myself on my next trip.--MM
Michael Mascagni, Tallahassee
If I weren't a Mathematician, I'd be a Violinist.--Albert Einstein
Offline viragoLDR  
#16 Posted : 31 January 2008 11:15:58(UTC)
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Michael, the thing is, I'd probably only want to go to Tokyo for 1 or 2 days, mainly to visit the Ghibli museum and to see Tokyo Station. Other than that I'd prefer to go to small villages and some of the more old-fashioned places. So, while I do know the basic hello, goodbye, how are you etc, it won't get you far if you're in a mountain village =)
- Martijn
(early planning : H0-scale Era I K.Bay.sts.b)
(active planning : N-scale mixed late Era Japanese)
(possibly something Z-scale as well ;))
Offline DamonKelly  
#17 Posted : 31 January 2008 13:34:55(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by viragoLDR
<br />Michael, the thing is, I'd probably only want to go to Tokyo for 1 or 2 days, mainly to visit the Ghibli museum and to see Tokyo Station.


I disagree. I think Tokyo is fabulous! biggrin You do need to ask the locals (eg. hotel staff) where to go and especially where to eat. I love Japanese food. Local knowledge is vital in a city the size of Tokyo.

Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:<br />Other than that I'd prefer to go to small villages and some of the more old-fashioned places. So, while I do know the basic hello, goodbye, how are you etc, it won't get you far if you're in a mountain village =)


I agree here. Smile Regional Japan is a whole 'nother world. You'd be surprised how far just the basic Hello/Goodbye/Please/Thankyou goes even in small towns. Most Japanese shopkeepers and restaurent owners really do want to please foreign tourists, even if they can't speak a word of English.
MrsKelly and I spent a very pleasant week or so around Mt Fuji and Hakone in the summer, staying a smallish village (for Japan), and had no real trouble. MrsKelly does know a reasonable amount of Japanese (including script), but since I'm the husband, the locals always insisted on addressing me. I just know the basic Hello/Goodbye/Please/Thankyou.

Cheers,
Damon
Offline viragoLDR  
#18 Posted : 31 January 2008 14:00:38(UTC)
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I didn't mean to say Tokyo isn't fabulous or anything, it's just that the things that interest me most about Japan are best experienced in smaller towns ;)

Of course there's things to see in Tokyo other that the Ghibli museum and Tokyo station. Stuff like the imperial gardens and such are high on my list as well, and several of the samurai heritage museums and such. It's just that Tokyo in itself isn't a reason for me to visit Japan, not much of a fan of big crowded cities with crazy nightlife ;)

Anyway, I'm trying to learn some Japanese, including all the hiragana, katakana and a bunch of kanji, it'd come in handy considering all the Japanese trains I have come with Japanese manual (obviously). It's tough getting into the kanji, but quite interesting.
- Martijn
(early planning : H0-scale Era I K.Bay.sts.b)
(active planning : N-scale mixed late Era Japanese)
(possibly something Z-scale as well ;))
Offline mascagni  
#19 Posted : 01 February 2008 15:53:04(UTC)
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Martijn, I agree that the country-side is pretty neat, but like many countries we know and love, Japan's capitol, largest city, economic and cultural center are all the same place: Tokyo. So there are things in this urban jungle that are not to be found outside. For example, I have been to two different Sumo tournaments in Tokyo, and while there is a Sumo circuit, many of the Heyas (the Sumo stables) are in the same Tokyo neighborhood.

However, I go back to my main point to all of this: if you really want to go to Japan, go, now!!! Life is short and uncertain, so enjoy a trip to Japan, even if you cannot organize your imagination's perfect trip or speak Japanese as well as you would like before going. It is also worth to recall that the world is so seriously overfishing that they may start running out of Sushi some time soon!! Grab it while its still on the plates in the Sushi-go-rounds!--MM
Michael Mascagni, Tallahassee
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Offline DamonKelly  
#20 Posted : 01 February 2008 18:14:57(UTC)
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Here's a few suggestions for the gaijin tourist:

1. Use the Keisei Skyliner service to Ueno station in Tokyo.
i.e. in this case not the Narita Express.

2. Stay at Sawanoya Ryokan -- possibly the best value accomodation in Tokyo...
They only provide futons, but you can stack several up....

3. Eat at Club Nezu, just a few blocks away. (It seems Club Nezu's site is now only Japanese, sorry)
Club Nezu do the traditional Kaiseki -- a series of small dishes, featuring seasonal cuisine (i.e. very fresh) where presentation is just as important as the taste. A quintessential Japanese experiance that is well worth the money (approx JPY15000 per person, in 2005)
Whether you eat at Club Nezu (or almost any Japanese food venue), Japanese beer is the beverage of choice...wine doesn't really work.

Cheers,
Damon
Offline viragoLDR  
#21 Posted : 01 February 2008 22:21:22(UTC)
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Michael, I'll have to see. I noticed there's some travel agency here that specializes in Asian destinations, and it looks like they have group trips as well, so that might be interesting ;)

Damon, funny you should mention the Keisei Skyliner, since I just ordered a model of that one in N-scale =)

As for futon, I sleep on one at home, and to be honest, I've never slept as good or as comfortable as on that thing. Sure, it takes a bit getting used to since it's not exactly soft, but it's great.

Anyway. I *WILL* be visiting Japan sooner or later, I just need to stay away from train stores, otherwise I'd probably end up selling my ticket home so I can buy an extra train set =)
- Martijn
(early planning : H0-scale Era I K.Bay.sts.b)
(active planning : N-scale mixed late Era Japanese)
(possibly something Z-scale as well ;))
Offline DamonKelly  
#22 Posted : 02 February 2008 14:39:28(UTC)
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Martijn,

Here in Australia, we have the advantage of you. Cheapest fares to Japan hover around the AUD1000/€610 range, and Japan is only a 1 or 2 hour time zone change. Flights are about 8 hours from Brisbane.
It is becoming popular to ski in Japan -- escape the summer heat here, for not much more travel time than our own ski-fields.

Plus, MrsKelly and I really like Japan. She actually has "mixed" feelings, since she teaches Japanese to primary school kids, so it's a bit too much like "work", but OTOH we enjoy the food, hospitality, scenery, trains...
I have noted that MrsK tends to "slack off" on the Japanese translating and speech, and leaves the talking to me...which is not always wise, given my very limited Japanese.

Still, the word "beer" is universally recognized...biggrinbiggrinbiggrin
Cheers,
Damon
Offline Hajime  
#23 Posted : 28 February 2008 17:35:55(UTC)
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Hello,

I'm very sorry, but my response is too late.
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http://www.ktm-models.co.jp/topics_700kei_new.html

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