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Best regards MartinB
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heh...I stayed in the InterCity Hotel in Altona by the Bahnhof last year not 100 meters from that. Wish I had known ther! |
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I recall seeing this when arriving in Hamburg by train - at one stage there were diesel locos stored on the tracks, then later they were pulling up the tracks. Sad. |
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Wow, I found this:  A truly majestic photo from the Robin Garn collection of Bw Altona's roundhouse, with the uniquely toothed turntable pits, and the power of the 012 class. From right to left: 012 084-0, "our own" 012 100-4, 012 103-8, 012 085-7, 012 074-1, 012 061-8, 012 104-6 and partly hidden, 012 102-0. September 28, 1969. What a magnificent sight for the photographer to see in his viewfinder! |
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I also remember seeing the area when entering Hamburg by train, but I didn't realize which place it was. I have a picture of it taken from the tracks coming from the south and bending east, aproximately where the tunnel is located.
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Best regards MartinB
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Greetings, I found this one at Joachim's 'Eisenbahnstiftung' site: http://h1336311.stratoserver.net/bg/pics/543.jpg"Blick vom Wasserturm auf die Doppeldrehscheibe des Bw Hamburg-Altona. Auf der Scheibe wird 03 013 gedreht. (06.06.1958) Foto: Walter Hollnagel" I envision a precisely timed layout with strains of Strauss 'Blue Danube Waltz' (Austrian, I know[:I]) playing in the background, with a pair of steam loks.....  Jim P.S. - I thought I heard one time that Koln had a doppeldrehscheibe also, but I think there were only the two.
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what an impressive installation. Massive.
Anyone know what the advantage of the double turntable may have been ? I can't see how it would increase the number of stall that could be used. I can only surmise that a greater throughput of traffic could be handled.
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Now that is what I call Impressive!
Thanks for sharing team. |
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here is a Google earth image from approximately the same position as the 1958 image   |
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Dale, I have a thought (which may be my drug-addalled brain) that it may have to do with the depth of the available real-estate. To have the same number a stalls in a single roundhouse would require a rather larger overall diameter (I think?) and depth, whereas this arrangement allows a more 'shallow' but broader arrangement; yet not as 'broad as two roundhouses side by side with two separate turntables. But, now that I really look at it, through-put sounds a lot better  !! Just a thought, Jim (hedging, a little) P. S. - Yikes! there is nothing left![:0]
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Jim Thompson
<br />Dale,
I have a thought (which may be my drug-addalled brain) that it may have to do with the depth of the available real-estate. To have the same number a stalls in a single roundhouse would require a rather larger overall diameter (I think?)... I don't think so, one can vary the diameter simply vary changing the lengths of the radial tracks. The greater the diameter, the greater the circumference and hence number of stalls of a given width. |
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Dale, Yep, I think you are right ! Jim
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In Germany somebody is building a 1:32 model: http://www.igruhr.de/thread.php?threadid=685Prototypical purpose: Not a double TT; but two seperate, just very very close, one of them serving half the roundhouse, the other the opposite half. Doubles the traffic possible in and out. Per. |
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I was looking at the area 500m WSE from the turntables.. the tracks are gone but it looks like old goods siding... a big pile of silver object caught my interest - I decided that being Germany they were probably empty beer kegs.
Then I browser on a few meters more and duh! The Holsten Brewery !
I bet those sidings were for receiving the raw materials and shipping the beer in days gone by... <sigh>
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I notice that the edges of the stall dorrs were painted white - I may copy that. |
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Well, It seems the 1:32 gents have thrown down the gauntlet...  Anyway, I found yet another possibility, historical this time, but I do not have my source - just one of those pesky "Note-to-self" items: "On the other hand, two turntables with the circumferences of their pits intersecting each other (German: Doppeldrehscheiben) was uncommon. There were only two of them in Germany, at Bw Hamburg-Altona and at Bw Köln Betriebsbahnhof. Originally, turntables at these two loco sheds were not Doppeldrehscheibe. These sheds had two turntables that were close (touching) to each other. The roundhouses for these turntables connected to each other at one end. During the 1920s there was a need for longer turntables to accommodate larger locomotives. At Altona and Köln it was impossible to install two new turntables side by side, or even one new turntable in the middle without realignment of the tracks leading to the roundhouses (which I suspect would have led to the rebuilding of the roundhouses as well). Therefore, the DRG chose to build two turntables intersecting each other at these two sites (you may say as a compromise or as a lesser of the two evils) instead." Like I said, "source unknown" [:(](I really must start writing down my sources), so take it with a grain of salt, but it is more fuel for the fire, so to speak! Could it be??? Two original non-intersecting turntables would certainly speak to very high traffic volumes! Thanks for your indulgence, Jim
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Very nice picture.
Have anyone modeller have make the double turntable? |
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thanks Jim, that makes so much more sense ! duh! |
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Dale, You are most welcome! You never know when that one little piece of info is going to come in handy... Jim (learning something new everyday)
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Hi Dale,all, Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by DaleSchultz
<br />I notice that the edges of the stall dorrs were painted white - I may copy that. Yes,they wereagain as a 'sign' the the doors where fullly open. Another slight but nice detail to add,...also you numbered your stalls,...right? Dr Dirt
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Hi all,
Just to add,I did at one time see an HO modeler do this(intersecting TT's) and also there where TT's that had an add-on extension,that would lock into place for longer loks and tracks that cross each other from TT to ringlokshuppen(less than 7.5?).
The Marklin/Fl. TT is a 27M prototype,which I was told was rare in Germany,the Roco TT is 22M prototype which(again) was the DB -standard,....
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All that I have to say is...really cool! |
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yes Kevin, my stalls are numbered... |
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Thanks, Jim. Logical explanation!
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Thanks for all the interesting information, friends. |
Best regards Svein, Norway
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Thanks for the link, Dale. |
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