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Offline craigericks  
#1 Posted : 27 December 2007 21:34:37(UTC)
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I see I am with many others in consiedring an ECoS. I see that ECoS allows for S88 feedback module connection. I use those along with Uhlenbrock 63 350 feedback modules. The Uhlenbrock modules use a Loconet connector which my IB has. Does ECoS allow feedback modules to be connected with this type of connector?
Thanks for any information.
Craig
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Offline Lars Westerlind  
#2 Posted : 27 December 2007 23:48:17(UTC)
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I don't think so, but I'm no ECoS owner.
You could let your feedback modules trigger a command in the LocoNet-world, let the IB send it to the ECoS sniffer, going further to the ECoS and transmit it further. How do you use the 63350 today? I think you need an IB-Switch or a computer to do something with the feedback signal.

/Lars
Offline craigericks  
#3 Posted : 28 December 2007 18:16:08(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:How do you use the 63350 today?

Lars,
I use the 63350's as feedback modules connected to contact tracks just like the S88s. The 63350s are connected together using loconet type connectors and connected to the IB into a loconet slot. The S88s are connected together using S88 cables and connecte to the IB using the S88 slot.
Craig
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Offline Lars Westerlind  
#4 Posted : 29 December 2007 01:49:01(UTC)
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Yes, but for what are they used? AFAIK this signal could be interpreted by IB-switch, a computer, Switch Control, LocoNet display, and some others. I don't think the IB can use this "occupied" signals for anything, can it?

/Lars
Offline craigericks  
#5 Posted : 29 December 2007 03:33:28(UTC)
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Lars,
I use the IB as a conduit for the feedback sensors to tell my computer software, Train Controller, whether or not a block is occupied. From looking at the ECoS users manual I see an S88 connection, but I can not determine if there is a connection for the loconet type connectors of the Uhlenbrock 63350s. My IB has connections for both. I am hoping the ECos does also so that I would not have to replace my 63350s should I decide to purchase an ECoS.
Part of my decision to go ECos or Marklin CS is how much of my old digital control I can still use. As far as I understand, I can continue to use both my IB and 6021 with ECos. With CS I would only be able to use 6021.
Craig
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Offline Lars Westerlind  
#6 Posted : 29 December 2007 09:29:34(UTC)
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OK.
The messages from 63350 are not sent to the track output of the IB, and this is where the ECoS sniffer is connected. The ECoS only catches the commands the IB thinks it sends to track and turnout decoders. So if your 63350 events should be caught by your computer, this should still be connected to the IB. Commands from the computer are then sent a long way via sniffer to ECoS and then to track, which may cause some delay, and it has also been reported that there is a risk or loosing turnout commands (which are not repeated). It will also not be possible for your computer to know anything of what is going on at the ECoS itself.

If Train Controller allows for multiple inputs, soloutions may be found, but I have a little doubt it does. Othervise you'll have to do something. One weird thing would be to buy an IB-switch and convert those sensor events to turnout commands.

For me personally LocoNet is the best technical solution, so I would not consider changing to another system bus. If you have a computer screen already, and IB/LocoNet, what do you see in ECoS?
/Lars
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#7 Posted : 29 December 2007 18:54:10(UTC)
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Lars,
The point is, I would not want to use my IB as a conduit for the feedback sensors. I would like to connect my S88s and the Uhlenbrock 63350s directly to the ECOS. I would use the IB as another set of throttles/function buttons.
Perhaps to rephrase my my question. "Does the ECOS have a connection for the Uhlenbrock feedback modules?" These modules connect to the IB using a loconet connector plug. Is the loconet connector/plug a standardized plug/slot which the ECoS uses also?
confusedPerhaps there is an ECoS owner out there who uses Uhlenbrock feedback modules that can answer my question?

Lars said,
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:For me personally LocoNet is the best technical solution, so "I would not consider changing to another system bus. If you have a computer screen already, and IB/LocoNet, what do you see in ECoS?

At the risk of getting off topic for this particular thread, I am at the verge of needing more power to my layout, because I want to start adding lights to my coaches, and perhaps do some more track expansion. I have contemplated adding a booster to my track. Before I add a booster, I am exploring the possiblity that an ECos would give me the needed extra power in the interim, and at the same time, keep me up to date with the latest control systems. I really like my IB in conjunction with TC. Perhaps, I am crazy, but I am exploring the issue.
Craig
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Offline Lars Westerlind  
#8 Posted : 29 December 2007 19:09:25(UTC)
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I thought your question has been answered - No, unfortunately ECoS doesn't support 63350, nor any other LocoNet items. Rumour tells that those to blame are Digitrax, who where scared of letting more german makes exploit the LocoNet. If true, IMHO it's a scandal; Digitrax had their chance of making success with LocoNet, but now it seems they wasted their big chance. Viessmann colour screen control, also have a very interesting system bus, wich will connect several items like switch board, signal modules and possibly other things in future. Viessmanns system bus sees to be compatible with Lenz.
ESU don't focus on such utilities, as yet their choice of system bus seems less important. It's more of a all in one box solution, like computer systems looked until around 1985 from my perspective.

/Lars

Offline craigericks  
#9 Posted : 29 December 2007 19:32:30(UTC)
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Lars, Thanks for your help and the information about ECos support of LocoNet items.
After looking again at the ECos manual, pages 10-13, I don't see any of these slots, so I guess I would have to replace these feedback modules with feedback modules that can be connected to my other S88s or to the ECoSlink bus system as stated in the manual on page 10. I also see in the manual on page 13 that ECos was tested with S88 modules from Marklin 6088, LDT RM-DEC 88, LDT GB-8, and Viessman 5217, but unfortunately for me, Uhlenbrock 63350 is not listed.[:(].
Craig
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Offline Lars Westerlind  
#10 Posted : 29 December 2007 22:27:42(UTC)
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Correct. All those units connect to the same, so called s88 bus. There are also other units, detecting current draw, that do the same. But Uhlenbrock 63350, 63340 etc are completely different. Lenz and Viessmann may have a third type, but I have not studied their system.

BTW, just for curiosity, why do you choose ECoS? Have you compared with Viessmann commander? It's newer, in fact just a few weeks, but looks promising in my eyes. Technically they are very similair, but most differences go in favour for Commander, except price and proven reliability.
/Lars
Offline craigericks  
#11 Posted : 29 December 2007 23:49:40(UTC)
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Lars,
To answer your question,
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:BTW, just for curiosity, why do you choose ECoS? Have you compared with Viessmann commander?

I suppose I have been followng he ECoS and CS discussions here and have not considered the V Commander because it is so new; consequently not much discussion yet.
And I suppose the same question I had to begin this topic would apply when considering the V Commander. "Can I use the Uhlenbrock 63350 feedback modules?" or "Does the V Commander support LocoNet type devices?"
Craig
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Offline Lars Westerlind  
#12 Posted : 30 December 2007 01:14:06(UTC)
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Same answer as with ECoS. What future has to tell, who knows, but my guess is that neither will :-( But as said, there might be other units from Lenz. The s88 bus is really not a good one, slow and sensitive for interference. Bad english, hope you understand.

/Lars
Offline Lars Westerlind  
#13 Posted : 30 December 2007 01:28:16(UTC)
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I saw in the Viessmannforum that they recommend Rocos feedbackmodule, unitl they deliver their own, also on Lenz bus (called LowSpeed bus by Viessmann). This feedbackbus is much more reliable than s88 they say, but s88 can also be used by Commander.
/Lars
Offline craigericks  
#14 Posted : 30 December 2007 18:22:22(UTC)
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Lars,
Once again thanks for the feedback.
I learned on the ECoS forum that I could continue to use the LocoNet feedback modules if I were to keep my IB connected to my PC. Traincontroller does allow for multiple digital systems to be connected. Does anyone know if I could connect my IB to the ECoS sniffer so it would act as another set of throttles and still be connected to my computer to act as a "conduit" for the LocoNet feedback modules? I will ask this on the ECoS forum also.
Craig
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Offline kgsjoqvist  
#15 Posted : 09 January 2008 14:17:26(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by craigericks
<br />Lars,
Once again thanks for the feedback.
I learned on the ECoS forum that I could continue to use the LocoNet feedback modules if I were to keep my IB connected to my PC. Traincontroller does allow for multiple digital systems to be connected. Does anyone know if I could connect my IB to the ECoS sniffer so it would act as another set of throttles and still be connected to my computer to act as a "conduit" for the LocoNet feedback modules? I will ask this on the ECoS forum also.
Craig


This is possible and should work without problems. IB can be connected to ECoS, just like the 6021 can - through the sniffer. But it's a one-way-street. There is no feedback from ECoS to IB. The feedback modules can connect to the IB, giving feedback to the computer program and then the computer sends it's signal to the ECoS (or through IB is also possible).
K-G / H0 and Z model train user
Offline craigericks  
#16 Posted : 12 January 2008 02:18:31(UTC)
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K-G,
thanks. Good to know I can use both s88 type and loconet type feedback modules.
Craig
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