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biotechee		#1 Posted : 03 December 2007 14:05:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/12/2006(UTC) Posts: 338 Location: Doylestown, PA		I have been bidding on a assorted small ticket items lately- such as a single goods wagon here and there, an analog enginer every now and then, and even a very simple consist. Well, mu luck has been 1 for 4 over the last few weeks. I set my maximum and usually lead the auction until about the last minute or so. Then someone comes along and outbids me. They end up going higher than I think the item is worth, so I back off... Oh well- I guess that is the point of an auction, no?! Just a little bummed lately because I was looking forward to picking up some onesy-twosy stuff. Just venting... Jim
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Frostie		#2 Posted : 03 December 2007 14:08:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,614 Location: Birmingham,Alabama		Jim: Here is my way of bidding when i want to buy. 1) You need DSL to be able to have good access. 2) Do not bid on anything until the last 30 seconds of the auction. I never bid at all until this time. After all it is a game that you are playing, and you will win more when you have good techniques.
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biotechee		#3 Posted : 03 December 2007 14:17:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/12/2006(UTC) Posts: 338 Location: Doylestown, PA		Hi Frostie- Got fiber optic so access speed is not an issue. I used your method before as well. I just figured I'd take a stab at bidding for something by setting my maximum. In each recent situation where I've lost, the final few bids exceeded what I was willing to spend. I'll go back to trying the tried and true and see what happens. It's not really a big deal in the grand scope of things (as you know), but sometimes it can be frustrating. On the last item I just lost, I was somewhat tempted to bid higher, but it was on 'bay.de so I would have been crushed by the exchange rate, and the model just wasn't worth even my last bid. We'll see.... Thanks! Jim
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foumaro		#4 Posted : 03 December 2007 14:34:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 4,431 Location: Attiki Athens Greece		Bid 10 seconds before the end of action.
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Sander van Wijk		#5 Posted : 03 December 2007 15:30:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,248 Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands; Göteborg, Sverige,		It's pretty simple: more and more eBay buyers are using sniper tools that automatically bid in the last few seconds of the auction time. As a result, the conventional way of bidding manually in the last few seconds is becoming an unsuccessful one.
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David Dewar		#6 Posted : 03 December 2007 15:52:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,475 Location: Scotland		Only bid what you think the goods are worth. If others pay more then let them you will get another chance at a later date for most items. What if we all bid 10 secs before the end of the auction ?? David
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foumaro		#7 Posted : 03 December 2007 16:04:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 4,431 Location: Attiki Athens Greece		I never failed on a bid and i never bid with crazy way and i never bid on Sundays or Saturdays.bid Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Sander van Wijk <br />It's pretty simple: more and more eBay buyers are using sniper tools that automatically bid in the last few seconds of the auction time. As a result, the conventional way of bidding manually in the last few seconds is becoming an unsuccessful one.
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alonso231gery		#8 Posted : 03 December 2007 16:16:01(UTC) Retweet
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H0		#9 Posted : 03 December 2007 18:42:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,482 Location: DE-NW		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by David Dewar <br />What if we all bid 10 secs before the end of the auction? Bidding 10 seconds before the end can help to beat the unsure bidders - and can help to save money. They see 1 Euro and bid 10 - oh, it's 10.50. They bid 20 - and oh, it's 20.50. They bid 30 - and oh, it's 28 - fine. If you make your bid too early, they may bid 40, 50, 60 (even if the item isn't worth more than e.g. 40). You can see those unsure bidders in the bidding history - in almost every auction ... If all bid 10 seconds before the end, then no-one has time to increase his/her bid.
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MarioFabro		#10 Posted : 03 December 2007 19:13:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/10/2001(UTC) Posts: 793 Location: Pittsburgh,		I also do the "last second bidding" when I want to bid on something, However I noticed, as Jim does, that prices have been heading up since, it seems, a lot of buyers don't know the real value of what they are getting or are unaware of cheaper ways to get it. If i compare prices of new material on e-bay with, say, Lokshop's list, I notice as a lot of the prices are already higher. I usually gauge interest with how many bidders there are on a specific model. But I have been using e-bay less and less lately, for the above reason and because I end up buying something I don't necessarily need simply because it's just a bit cheaper.
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drstapes		#11 Posted : 03 December 2007 20:01:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/08/2004(UTC) Posts: 764 Location: Bury St. Edmunds, Suffolk		more and more people are using auction snipers to bid on ebay, it does spoil the "fun" of an auction but they allow you change or cancel your bid at any time which you can't do after putting in an ebay bid Take this scenario, you are up late after a few beers, you put in a ebay bid on that "must have" item. The next morning apart from a hangover you find that you don't really want the item and you have bid the wife's christmas present money....... By using a watch list and a sniper you avoid some of these hazards,<g> Do I do this all the time? of course not! I use this sniper which I have found very reliable http://www.auctionsniper.com/default.aspx regards
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dntower85		#12 Posted : 03 December 2007 21:07:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,218 Location: Shady Shores, TX - USA		I've struck out a lot tiring to bid in the last ten seconds. "sorry auction has ended" I think now with sniper ebay gets hit with so many last down to the nano second bids that they just don't all go though. seems like the only way to win now-days is just to bid way more than what the item is worth. I wish ebay would charge an increasing premium for bids with in the last minuets. that way it would discourage sniper. and would limit inflating the price of an item.
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xxup		#13 Posted : 03 December 2007 22:10:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 9,616 Location: Australia		Let's face it sniper bids are only as good as your upper limit.. More than one sniper means that the seller is a winner because the result is the highest sniper amount.. I agree that there should be a "premium" for using tools like sniper, but I suspect that some are not detectable..
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MarioFabro		#14 Posted : 03 December 2007 22:33:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/10/2001(UTC) Posts: 793 Location: Pittsburgh,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by dntower85 I wish ebay would charge an increasing premium for bids with in the last minuets. that way it would discourage sniper. and would limit inflating the price of an item. They should do like they do on "live" auctions. Every bid adds 30 seconds or 1 minute to the auction, giving time to others to bid. It would be more expensive for buyers but.. it's the whole concept of e-bay.. finding the one that "absolutely has to have" the item you are selling. Remember folks, we are buyers today but may be sellers tomorrow.
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dntower85		#15 Posted : 03 December 2007 22:41:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,218 Location: Shady Shores, TX - USA		Mario, I like that ideal.. it would even allow for snipe to do the bidding, just set the your limit and who ever is willing to spend the most gets it.
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Bigdaddynz		#16 Posted : 03 December 2007 23:18:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,778 Location: New Zealand		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by foumaro <br />Bid 10 seconds before the end of action. Which is why you use 'sniping' software (biding in the last few seconds of an auction is called sniping) to do this for you. I use jbidwatcher.
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jonquinn		#17 Posted : 03 December 2007 23:24:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,591 Location: Pennsylvania		I've been trying to get some older freight cars too, but I'll only bid so far. Sometimes the newer ones, like the tipping wagon (with four bucket), I guess for ballast, usually goes for more than what the current issue from marklin sells for from dealers.
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Hoffmann		#18 Posted : 04 December 2007 00:00:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/11/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,106 Location: Guelph, Ontario		Hi all, I don't get it, when you walk into a Store and see an Item for a certain Price you either buy it or not. Ebay is no differen if you see a Item you like you bid on what you are willing to spend ( or what you think it is worth ) it does not matter if you bid this amount at the beginning or the end of the Auction. Lately Marklin Items at Ebay are not going for high Prices so you should be able to get them at a good Price. -----Please note that Ebay Auction can be manipulated by the Sellers as well as the Buyer (since you are bidding in cyberspace no one knows what is going on)----- Regards Martin P.S. I used to sell on Ebay before all the rates went up.
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Bigdaddynz		#19 Posted : 04 December 2007 00:09:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,778 Location: New Zealand		Martin, it does matter if you bid early, because that gives everyone else the chance to bid against your bids, and out bid you. If you can bid in the last 5 seconds or so, and get an auto bid on the auction, it makes it much harder for people to out bid you. Of course you should never bid more than what you want to pay, but having the bidding go up early works against you. You can never win an auction early, you can only win it if you are bidding in the last few seconds.
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drstapes		#20 Posted : 04 December 2007 00:12:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/08/2004(UTC) Posts: 764 Location: Bury St. Edmunds, Suffolk		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: agree that there should be a "premium" for using tools like sniper, but I suspect that some are not detectable When snipers first became popular, ebay was asked to ban them. They refused
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Hoffmann		#21 Posted : 04 December 2007 03:23:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/11/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,106 Location: Guelph, Ontario		Hello David, I guess you want a Bargain instead of the Item, if you are willing to spend a certain amount it does not matter when you bid (because the sniper will outbid you anyway). This is excactly what Jim is complaining about. Having been to many Live Auctions I know how one can get carried away when the bidding war Starts, however if you set a limit on what you will pay before hand you will not get caught same applies to Ebay. We all want everything at the best Price possible (human nature) just read some of the posts here when members write what a Deal they got on Ebay. Some ( a few )Items sell well below market Price and some (because of a bidding frenzy) well above Market Value. Also keep in mind that the Sniper (Purchaser) be overpaying on his Ebay Item. One more thing to remember allmost all Marklin Ebay items are not rare just common made by the thausends and will come up on Ebay many times. Martin
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foumaro		#22 Posted : 04 December 2007 05:31:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 4,431 Location: Attiki Athens Greece		OK but all this process have fun and when you use snipers,you lost the fun. Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by foumaro <br />Bid 10 seconds before the end of action. Which is why you use 'sniping' software (biding in the last few seconds of an auction is called sniping) to do this for you. I use jbidwatcher.
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Bigdaddynz		#23 Posted : 04 December 2007 06:37:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,778 Location: New Zealand		Martin, I have won items using this technique - this is how I won my 39450 BR45, but usually the auction ends up near the top end of what I wanted to pay, because of other people placing bids. But that normally happens anyway. The point being is you will never win an auction bidding early, unless you have a massive autobid that over rides everyone else. And then, who can afford to do that? So, bidding in the last few seconds is more likely to win you the auction, providing you use autobid, because that then limits how much others can raise your autobid, there being only a few seconds to go. Panayotis, you end up having just as much fun using sniping software. I usually try to picture the look of horror on the face of the bidder I just out bid with my snipe, when they realise they've been outbid in the last few seconds. Mu wha ha ha ha !!
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nevw		#24 Posted : 04 December 2007 07:51:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Another thing to watch is the number of Bidders. the more there are the higher the price will be. Recently I got a Car for $5. next week the same car went for 35. In my case no bidders, the other there were 6
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Larry		#25 Posted : 04 December 2007 08:12:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/11/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,443 Location: Northeast Ohio		I simply hate eBay for buying but for selling it is great. Sander is right about the sniper tools, you need them. However, sniper tools and the professionals eBayers make it ridiculous for the average person. It has been my experience that there are plenty of idiots who pay more than market for whatever economic reasons I don't really understand. I sold a Jeep Wrangler, a jetski and a Honda CBR motorcycle all on eBay and people paid more than market price. Ridiculous it seems to me but I did well. The only thing I have been successful on biding on eBay was "buy it now" for a Pittsburgh Penguins hockey jersey. I won it like anyone else could have since there was no competitive bidding. LOL. Good luck.
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Laffe		#26 Posted : 04 December 2007 12:45:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/11/2006(UTC) Posts: 230 Location: Uppsala,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz <br />Martin, I have won items using this technique - this is how I won my 39450 BR45, but usually the auction ends up near the top end of what I wanted to pay, because of other people placing bids. But that normally happens anyway. The point being is you will never win an auction bidding early, unless you have a massive autobid that over rides everyone else. And then, who can afford to do that? So, bidding in the last few seconds is more likely to win you the auction, providing you use autobid, because that then limits how much others can raise your autobid, there being only a few seconds to go. IF someone else has put in an earlier bid that is higher than your autobid then you will not win. Your theory holds true only if there is no higher bid than your autobid when it is placed (10 second before the end or so). What autobidding or sniping is good for, is to limit the number of idiots who bid more than an item is worth, and who increase their bids when they are outbid. A serious bidder who puts in his highest bid has an equal chance of winning weather or not the bid is put 10 seconds, 10 minutes or 10 hours before the end. I have lost to snipers, but then I wouldn't have increased my bid anyway. And I have won auctions, when the sniper has put in a too low bid.
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dntower85		#27 Posted : 04 December 2007 16:18:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,218 Location: Shady Shores, TX - USA		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Laffe I have lost to snipers, but then I wouldn't have increased my bid anyway. And I have won auctions, when the sniper has put in a too low bid. Laffe that sound logical but in reality you will almost all ways lose by $2.50 unless you bid way too high. Say the value of a limited item in is listed in Kolls for the equivalent of $350 US and you place an early bid of $350, you will loose it for $352.50 or such to the guy who sniped you with a max bid $360. You might of even bid an hour before the auction ends and there might of only been one or two bids on it, you will still loose. And that what makes it irritating to know that someone got something for just a little more than what it was worth. And the only reason he didn't have to pay 360 is because you didn't get a chance to counter his bid, because it came in in the last second. The sniper knows his risk of paying his max bid is limited so he is not relay overbidding. So if you want something limited on ebay and you don't want to be snipped its going to cost you.
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DaleSchultz		#28 Posted : 04 December 2007 16:56:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2006(UTC) Posts: 3,997		Its a psychological game. The one with the highest bid at the end is the winner. The winning strategy is to bid shortly before the end. This tends to prevent others from increasing their maximum bid, thus reducing the average price. Keeping prices lower means that more items will be within one's personal price range.
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dntower85		#29 Posted : 04 December 2007 16:56:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,218 Location: Shady Shores, TX - USA		Just another ideal that might help ebay, and I'll stop my rant. ( I've been out bid a lot lately. ) A rule that might stop sniping could be that if you bid in the last minute of the auction, what ever is you max bid is what you pay, not just above the next highest bidders bid.
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drstapes		#30 Posted : 04 December 2007 20:45:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/08/2004(UTC) Posts: 764 Location: Bury St. Edmunds, Suffolk		sniping does not guarantee a win. after much hesitation the other day, I used the sniper to bid what is for me a very high price. I needn't have worried, I was oubid by two much larger snipes!
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H0		#31 Posted : 04 December 2007 23:52:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,482 Location: DE-NW		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by dntower85 <br />The sniper knows his risk of paying his max bid is limited so he is not relay overbidding. In the last seconds it's a battle of snipers (normally there are more than one - at least with items I've been bidding for recently). Therefore the sniper has the risk to pay his maximum bid. If I make a last second bid (I don't use a sniper) I look at the price 2 minutes before the end of the auction before I enter my bid (which I'll sent 10 seconds before end). The maximum bid two minutes before indicates if the auction will be a bargain ...
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Schienenbus		#32 Posted : 05 December 2007 00:42:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/10/2007(UTC) Posts: 153 Location: Surrey, England		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by dntower85 <br />II wish ebay would charge an increasing premium for bids with in the last minuets. that way it would discourage sniper. and would limit inflating the price of an item. I am sorry, but the whole point of eBay is to get the person to buy an item who is ready to pay the highest price - otherwise sellers wouldn't be attracted... So it is not really appropriate to talk of 'inflating the price of an item' - that is the very purpose of an auction... Regards, Arthur
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Laffe		#33 Posted : 05 December 2007 11:27:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/11/2006(UTC) Posts: 230 Location: Uppsala,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by dntower85 <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Laffe I have lost to snipers, but then I wouldn't have increased my bid anyway. And I have won auctions, when the sniper has put in a too low bid. Laffe that sound logical but in reality you will almost all ways lose by $2.50 unless you bid way too high. Say the value of a limited item in is listed in Kolls for the equivalent of $350 US and you place an early bid of $350, you will loose it for $352.50 or such to the guy who sniped you with a max bid $360. You might of even bid an hour before the auction ends and there might of only been one or two bids on it, you will still loose. Yes, but if I put in $350 it means I don't want to pay more than $350. If someone wants to pay more then it doesn't matter to me when they bid. Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: And that what makes it irritating to know that someone got something for just a little more than what it was worth. And the only reason he didn't have to pay 360 is because you didn't get a chance to counter his bid, because it came in in the last second. The sniper knows his risk of paying his max bid is limited so he is not relay overbidding. So if you want something limited on ebay and you don't want to be snipped its going to cost you. So you mean, that even if you don't want to pay more then $350, you would put in a higher bid ig you get the chance just to make the guy who outbid you pay a little bit more? Sort of vengeance-bidding? That is what's really wrong with ebay IMHO. If I really want the item, I could have bid $360, or $370 in the first place. Then the sniper only cheats himself, because HE doesn't have the time to increase his bid. As Dale said: sniping only stops inexperienced or indetermined bidders from incresing their maxbid. An experienced bidder bids his maximum, and then walks away regardless of when or how much he is outbid.
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Macfire		#34 Posted : 06 December 2007 05:35:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/11/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,652 Location: New Zealand		I don't use any sniping tools at all. If I am able to be on line, I have placed manual bids in the last minute. Lately where I have been off line - I have entered my maximun bid before signing off. Scored some nice items that way. The only thing I went balls-out for were the 3 Trix CIWL AC passenger set for Leah. She is worth it. Then I went over my maximum bid by 10 Euros each (I was on .de) but only ended up paying and extra 4 Euros for one and 2 Euro for the other two. My latest 2 wins were very cheap for what ever reason. One was the Trix accomodation car for 2,50 (max bid 5 Euro) and a sound module from the 78506 extension set for 8,50 (max 10 Euro). For those 2 bids, I was just being a cheeky buggar. Worked and I am not complaining. Those are my thoughts. Tony ps: edited the amounts correctly. FD walked in and seeing she was mentioned baled out rather fast
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nevw		#35 Posted : 06 December 2007 07:06:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Tony. It all depends on the number of Bidders.
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Macfire		#36 Posted : 06 December 2007 11:43:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/11/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,652 Location: New Zealand		Dead right Nev. Some of the items I was chasing had aroung 15 - 25 bidders. In those cases I either walked away from the sale or chucked in my max. I have never one on those occasions.
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