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Offline Larry  
#1 Posted : 17 March 2007 06:17:31(UTC)
Larry

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Maybe I have faulty information but I've heard that in the US (and presumably elsewhere in the world) there are 3 kinds of Marklin shops/dealers/distributors. These 3 are those that buy through:

<ul><li></li>their national Marklin authorized dealer in their country (such as Marklin USA in Wisconsin);<li></li>contract/have an arrangement with a Marklin dealer in another country who exports Marklin products directly to them; and those that<li></li>buy directly from Marklin in Germany. </ul>Word is that those shops/dealers that go through another distributor in, say Denmark or Sweden, end up selling for lower prices, on average, than those going through their local authorized national Marklin distributors.

Is it true that there is some amount of animosity between dealers/shops that "play by the Marklin rules" and go through their local national Marklin organization and those that side-step this process by jumping over the "middle man" and go to a dealer/distributor in another country for better pricing?


BOTTOM LINE:
Where does the above leave the consumer (advantages and disadvantages) in terms of choices?


Offline stephenbb  
#2 Posted : 17 March 2007 14:22:21(UTC)
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The marketing is a lot more complicated then what you have outlined.
In the USA all "authorized" dealers buy through Marklin USA in New Berlin WI. However, the price structure is dependent on a number of factors, such as volume, and what services the dealer is performing. In a free market economy a dealer can markup or down depending on its overhead. A brick and mortar dealer needs to charge more then a virtual dealer. Some shops have set up internet sites and keep seperate inventory for their net sales. Their retail operation "Storefront" costs more to operate and charges accordingly.
Marklin has been trying to close the loop in it distribution, without much success. Their are a mumber of dealers who continue to buy "black". They avoid the US distribution mark-up but do pay the euro price. The problem in the USA is we are paying for Marklin Marketing cost twice. We pay what is incorporated in the German price, plus what Marklin USA adds to the cost for their expenses.
If The parent company really wanted to increase sales in the USA they would reduce the European price and remove their marketing costs or a portion from the markup.
Shop around look at the 10 or 12 dealers from North America and you will see a variety of prices. Some dealers also offer a 5% incentive if you are an ETE member. Don't be afraid to ask your local dealer for a better price if you have seen it elsewhere for less and can show him that pricing.
Stephen(USA)
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Offline stephenbb  
#3 Posted : 17 March 2007 17:17:46(UTC)
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Another point I forgot about.... Service If you don't mind shipping your product back to Marklin on your own then buy from anyone. However, their is value added to have a dealer who backs up what they sell. Also its fun to be able to put hands on sometimes when buying a new engine or car. Since the price is going up up and up on new engines its nice to see what you are buying.
Stephen(USA)
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Offline DaleSchultz  
#4 Posted : 17 March 2007 22:13:16(UTC)
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I live in the USA and buy most of my stuff directly from Germany. The price advantage has been so large that it easily compensates for any problems if I had to return anything. (I have not had to do so so far) I have used www.lokshop.de - they have an excellent range of products and good prices. I accumulate things I need into a reasonable size order and have it sent in one shipment to save shipping. They do charge 3% or so for credit card payment but you do not pay the 14% German Sales tax. I have never had any problems with customs. To takes a few weeks to get to the East coast. If I can buy something for half price, and it was defective, I could buy another one and still come out even.

If I really need something (non Märklin) urgently I buy it form my local train dealer and he gets it from Walthers. If walthers does not have it in stock it is just as quick to get it direct from Germany.
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Offline pa-pauls  
#5 Posted : 17 March 2007 23:02:19(UTC)
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PS !

Germany have 19% tax today

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Offline kimballthurlow  
#6 Posted : 18 March 2007 13:11:14(UTC)
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Here in Australia, we have two Marklin dealers that I know of. www.hobbyco.com.au and Nathans Trains http://www.trainsntoys.com.au/. They both have the same prices. If I compare the prices at www.lokshop.de, I would have very little or no advantage in ordering from Germany. The prices here are very fair, and I consider that maintaining a relationship with the local supplier is at the least very useful, if not important.
regards
Kimball
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Offline pat  
#7 Posted : 18 March 2007 21:25:39(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by kimballthurlow
<br />Here in Australia, we have two Marklin dealers that I know of. www.hobbyco.com.au and Nathans Trains http://www.trainsntoys.com.au/. They both have the same prices. If I compare the prices at www.lokshop.de, I would have very little or no advantage in ordering from Germany. The prices here are very fair, and I consider that maintaining a relationship with the local supplier is at the least very useful, if not important.
regards
Kimball

High Kimball,welcome to the forum,also in Sydney we have the train trader,the largest marklin dealer in the country and a bit cheaper then hobby co
www.traintrader.com.au
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Offline Along  
#8 Posted : 21 March 2007 00:00:53(UTC)
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Hello. I purchase the goods (Marklin or other factories) at www.modellbahn-kramm com in Germany. The shop is serious, correct and prices in comparing with others internet dealers are best. For overseas purchases you can discount VAT and if you go the webpage you can see the price with and without VAT. Before buy I look for two or three dealers in Germany and at last I remain with this dealer. Best regards.
Offline countrylink  
#9 Posted : 19 October 2007 09:24:15(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by kimballthurlow
<br />Here in Australia, we have two Marklin dealers that I know of. www.hobbyco.com.au and Nathans Trains http://www.trainsntoys.com.au/. They both have the same prices. If I compare the prices at www.lokshop.de, I would have very little or no advantage in ordering from Germany. The prices here are very fair, and I consider that maintaining a relationship with the local supplier is at the least very useful, if not important.
regards
Kimball
Another site of a marklin dealer in Melbourne www.trainsetsonline.com The guys name is Rudi Frey,very knowledgible and helpful especially with Electronic side of things
Offline nevw  
#10 Posted : 19 October 2007 10:39:34(UTC)
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Kimball, I Just noticed your post Quote:

If I compare the prices at www.lokshop.de, I would have very little or no advantage in ordering from Germany. The prices here are very fair,
I would have to dispute that. On average Lokshop landed price is about 60% of the Local Price.
recently I got a Loco locally. Just after buying I found one at a dealer in Germany . Landed Cost would have been $200 Less.
However one does have to help Noel.
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Offline kiwi  
#11 Posted : 19 October 2007 16:08:20(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by nevw
<br />Kimball, I Just noticed your post Quote:

If I compare the prices at www.lokshop.de, I would have very little or no advantage in ordering from Germany. The prices here are very fair,
I would have to dispute that. On average Lokshop landed price is about 60% of the Local Price.
recently I got a Loco locally. Just after buying I found one at a dealer in Germany . Landed Cost would have been $200 Less.
However one does have to help Noel.


hi nevw

i would agree with you, i have found lokshop prices much cheaper than my local dealers,

kiwi
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Offline rschaffr  
#12 Posted : 19 October 2007 16:21:16(UTC)
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It also seems to depend on the product. I have started buying most of my stuff from Mike (EuroModelTrains) whose prices are generally very competitive with the total cost from the lokshop (shipping plus the 4% handling fee they charge) Mike also offers a lifetime volume discount up to 4% based on how much you have bought (I am at 2% about to increase to 2.5%). There are specific items which don't fit here, though. For instance, I decided to buy the Unicef lok and found that the local price was considerably more than the total cost from the lokshop (by over $50.00). Perhaps the US price is based on expected volume of sales here and this was considered a low volume item. I don't know, but remember it is your money and it is your best interest to shop around.
-Ron
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Offline dntower85  
#13 Posted : 19 October 2007 16:41:57(UTC)
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I just order the 37973 Märklin U.P. Mikado Locomotive off of Marklin USA web site because of its low $299 sell price, and I wanted to see how well they handled there web sells. This morning I got a shipment conformation that it was coming from ajcKids. Very interesting.
DT
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Offline rschaffr  
#14 Posted : 19 October 2007 16:55:12(UTC)
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That is interesting. How much would it have been if you had ordered it directly from AJCKids?
-Ron
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Offline dntower85  
#15 Posted : 19 October 2007 17:47:17(UTC)
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same price I just looked it up. But on the 29680 Mega Starter Gotthard set, ajc kids has it for all most a $1000 less than marklin usa site.
It looks like it would be beneficial to all the dealers if marklin USA had all the available stock in the US listed on there web site at reasonable prices and then dropped shipped it from the nearest dealer with the stock on hand. That way the dealers would be less likely to get stuck with stock that they couldn't move and would possibly order more. Maybe that's where marklin is heading.
DT
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Offline Hoffmann  
#16 Posted : 19 October 2007 19:44:02(UTC)
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Hello all,

Marklin U.S. is not selling anything it is Shopatron who is the go between from marklin's webside and the Dealers.
If you place a order on marklin's webside (shopatron) The Marklin dealer who has the item in Stock and is the closest will get the order to ship that item (there is a fee from Shopatron to the dealer).
Also keep in mind that some of the prices are higher then what Dealers normally sell for.
On a side note in another thread someone asked where Dealers buy from, which by the way upsets me very much since marklin U.S. prices in general are about 30% to 40% higher then the prices in Europe. At the beginning of the Year I was told that North American Dealer who buy Marklin items from a third party will no longer supported by Marklin (this was a blatend lie).
It left the Dealer who followed the rules with marklin inventory which he/she will never able to sell with a reasonable profit margin.

Martin
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Offline dntower85  
#17 Posted : 19 October 2007 20:35:41(UTC)
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Thanks for that info Martin
that extra fee form Shopatron could really hurt the dealers especially when there is something like the Mikado that is put on sell at nearly half off. I could see were the dealer could loose money if they bought something form m usa then have to put it on sell at nearly cost and half to pay a fee to shopatron on top of that. Ouch-eh.
I just hope that the system can be set up so that all dealers and marklin make money and us buyers can get, good selection, fair deals and service.
DT
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