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Offline DamonKelly  
#1 Posted : 15 October 2007 16:05:28(UTC)
DamonKelly

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I just recieved 36890 (the "Schöfferhofer" BR185). It is a fine looking loco, and will look excellent pulling my collection of beer wagons! biggrin
The Schöfferhofer beer glass will get lots of use! biggrinbiggrin

I was, however, a bit concerned about the quality of Märklin's proof reading:
UserPostedImage

Hmmm.....
Cheers,
Damon
Offline laalves  
#2 Posted : 15 October 2007 16:10:46(UTC)
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Don't the chinese confuse "l" with "r"? [}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)]
Offline Red Moose  
#3 Posted : 15 October 2007 16:59:22(UTC)
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Mole Lice, Ml Adams? biggrin

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Offline intruder  
#4 Posted : 16 October 2007 00:22:38(UTC)
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biggrin
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Offline svgeorgiad  
#5 Posted : 16 October 2007 00:29:03(UTC)
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[:(!][:(!][:(!]
I was expecting something not so obvious. Now it's clear that China has captured Maerklin???
[:(][:(!][V][xx(][:0][}:)][:(!][:(!][:(!]
Symeon Georgiadis
Offline MärCo  
#6 Posted : 16 October 2007 00:39:39(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by svgeorgiad
<br />[:(!][:(!][:(!]
I was expecting something not so obvious. Now it's clear that China has captured Maerklin???
[:(][:(!][V][xx(][:0][}:)][:(!][:(!][:(!]

And how about the BR89 with the wrong number? That was made in Germany....
Absolutly AFB-NOHAB fan ;-)
Offline viragoLDR  
#7 Posted : 16 October 2007 12:29:18(UTC)
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Actually, it's a common misconception that China and Japan confuse the "l" and "r", which is of course taken to heart by Hollywood to stereotype Asian people.

They have no problem pronouncing either letter, but they don't exist in Japanese (and probable Chinese) as such. There is an "l" and "r" sound, but that's a different letter with pronunciation depending on the word it's in. In certain words it sounds to us westerners as an "l", in other as an "r", it can even sound like a "d". When speaking english, they basically have the same thing. Depending on which word, sometimes they pronounce an "l", sometimes an "r".

Anyway, how many of you native english speakers speak a foreign language without a hint of an accent? =)

Other than that, plenty typos in books, magazines, articles. Heck, try reading BBC news online, I don't think they have a single article there nowadays without some obvious spelling and grammatical errors..
- Martijn
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(active planning : N-scale mixed late Era Japanese)
(possibly something Z-scale as well ;))
Offline nevw  
#8 Posted : 16 October 2007 12:33:06(UTC)
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Just goes to Show Modern Education is not what it should be.
We were always taut to spel rite.
N
NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders
and a hose pipe on the aorta
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Offline David Dewar  
#9 Posted : 16 October 2007 13:25:19(UTC)
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Nev. It should be spell write not rite which is rong

David
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Offline john black  
#10 Posted : 16 October 2007 14:45:57(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by DamonKelly
<br />I was, however, a bit concerned about the quality of Märklin's proof reading:
UserPostedImage

Hmmm ...

Never mind, Damon wink
As with stamps - this wrongly printed booklet will make you a fortune in the future biggrinbiggrinbiggrin
I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators.
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Offline john black  
#11 Posted : 16 October 2007 14:50:14(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by David Dewar
<br />Nev. It should be spell write not rite which is rong

Since both of you dlive on the light side Austlanians can't be long, Mistel Dewal

I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators.
AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only.
CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ...
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Offline mascagni  
#12 Posted : 16 October 2007 20:43:37(UTC)
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Hi: You should take heart, for if Maerklin decides to correct the packaging, you will have packaging that will have a certain scarcity, which may or may not translate into more value to the collector!!--MM
Michael Mascagni, Tallahassee
If I weren't a Mathematician, I'd be a Violinist.--Albert Einstein
Offline intruder  
#13 Posted : 16 October 2007 20:55:30(UTC)
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Good "l" and "r" explanation by Martijn.

Our Japanese friends also have the same, but maybe smaller, phenomena with "v" and "b".
The l/r phenomena can become obvious when a foreign word is spoken many times, then later on to be written. But of course some spell check should have corrected the error.

I have great respect for the Japanese (and other people from that region of the world), who makes a big effort to learn a foreign language which is very far from the mother language, both oraly and written. It would take me years to learn Chinese or Japanese, if I ever made it. I know just a few Japanese words, after visiting Japan 12-14 times (and going there again later this month).
Best regards Svein, Norway
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Offline viragoLDR  
#14 Posted : 17 October 2007 12:45:59(UTC)
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12-14 times already?! Damn, I've been wanting to go for years, but never had the money. Now that I do, I have no one to go with, and going on holiday that far away by yourself doesn't sound very inviting ;) Nor money-efficient for that matter, most reasonable hotels don't have single rooms anymore...
- Martijn
(early planning : H0-scale Era I K.Bay.sts.b)
(active planning : N-scale mixed late Era Japanese)
(possibly something Z-scale as well ;))
Offline sjlauritsen  
#15 Posted : 17 October 2007 22:19:01(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by DamonKelly
I was, however, a bit concerned about the quality of Märklin's proof reading:


I'm afraid that is nothing. I bought the new signal book (the English edition) it contains stupid mistakes. Example: On page 2-3 (Chapter 2 - Page 3) the title says: "Les signaux luminuex de la série 76xxx". Oh well. I am no English wizard, but that is not English. That is French! My happiness with the product died a little.

And a 2nd one:
In the manual for the 76393 signal the German text has been badly translated into Danish, so instead of telling you to leave the "contact spring on the decoder" in order to give it an address, it tells you to "leave the decoder in the package" in order to give it an address. By looking at the package I remember thinking: This has got to be a magic package. There is no way the decoder can know it is in the package. I actually thought that.

Very well, it worked, and I thought there is more to this than the eye can see, but then the horrific truth emerged:
The signal did not work outside the package.

Since I did not know any of Märklin's magic spells. I started to debug the problem, and after a couple of hours trying to figure this out, I took the manual and decrypted the German part of it, only to find out that I had to remove the little contact spring from behind the decoder. Unfortunately this important information had been left out of the Danish manual. From now on I only read the German text.

When I look back, perhaps I should have noticed the contact spring, and put two and two together, but then again, it really looks like a part of the product, so I just don't go ahead and pull it off. Especially not when the manual tells you otherwise.

/Soeren
Søren from Denmark
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Offline Adlerson  
#16 Posted : 18 October 2007 10:14:14(UTC)
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Just a little comment on the Japanese English..
Having worked as a flight instructor for Japanese students for quite some time, I've often come across the 'language divide'. At first I was very perplexed as to why they seemed to handle written English so well, but could hardly speak a word of it. Until I found out that in their English education in school they only learn /written/ English! No oral English is taught at all. Go figure.

I took over a Japanese student, Baba (Who was /excellent/ when it came to flying the airplane, but had to give up after a couple of months because of the language difficulty) after he had flown with someone else for a few lessons. He comes back from doing the pre-flight before our first lesson;
Me: "How many gallons do we have?" (Referring to fuel.)
Baba: Staring back at me as the biggest living question mark I've ever seen.
Me: "Gasoline.. How many gallons?" (All the time using hands to try to help visualize.)
Baba: ?
Me: "Petrol.. Flying.. How long?"
Baba: ?

And it went on for quite a while, before I gave up and we went to check together. Now imagine trying to sit in a cramped cockpit with the biggest noisemaker whirling in front of you, trying to teach someone to fly an aircraft safely with a language gap as big as this between you... Oi!
(Worst part was, our flight school offered an English class at 1/5th the price of a flying lesson to help bridge the gap, but every single Japanese student opted in stead to spend up to 50 hours extra in the cockpit, because of said gap..)

Anyway, that's neither here nor there pertaining to the subject, I was just reminded of this reading Virago's post. :)

Cheers,
Helge

A Norwegian in California
Offline viragoLDR  
#17 Posted : 18 October 2007 12:07:48(UTC)
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It's often the same the other way around. Plenty people who can speak and understand the basics of Japanese, it is in fact quite an easy language to understand. But very few people can ready and write Japanese, it's incredibly difficult. So much so that many native Japanese can't read/write it entirely ;)
- Martijn
(early planning : H0-scale Era I K.Bay.sts.b)
(active planning : N-scale mixed late Era Japanese)
(possibly something Z-scale as well ;))
Offline nevw  
#18 Posted : 18 October 2007 12:26:11(UTC)
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BAck to topic M Quality control Sucks.
N

EDIT Sometimes.
NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders
and a hose pipe on the aorta
Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
Offline David Dewar  
#19 Posted : 18 October 2007 14:25:08(UTC)
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Nev from your recent posts re the CS I can see where you are coming from. This gives M a bad reputation and will only encourage us the buy ECOS or IBs if they dont get it right.

David
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
Offline fvri  
#20 Posted : 18 October 2007 14:36:21(UTC)
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Hi David,

That is why I bought an ECoS recentlySmile.

I must say until now I'm very pleased with my ECoS. Although the background of both systems are the same I prefer the ECoS.
Of coarse I can't make a good ("objective") comparison as I don't have a CS.

Frank
Offline nevw  
#21 Posted : 19 October 2007 00:19:58(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by David Dewar
<br />Nev from your recent posts re the CS I can see where you are coming from. This gives M a bad reputation and will only encourage us the buy ECOS or IBs if they dont get it right.

David


DAvid, I was frustrated and angry last night, I think the CS and M in General is great BUT how could items being returned for upgrades (New Hardware and Software), Have the Software omitted. SHows that QC is on a Selective sampling basis.
I have just found out that there was at least one maybe 2 others in my batch that missed out.

Like sending a loco in for warranty repairs and they send it back less the Decoder or maybe the Motor.
N
NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders
and a hose pipe on the aorta
Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
Offline David Dewar  
#22 Posted : 19 October 2007 01:16:52(UTC)
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Nev In view of the delays you have every right to be annoyed about this. Be interesting to see just what M will do regarding postal charges and if as Adrian said some recompense is made.
Meanwhile relax and enjoy a cold beer while using your MS.

David
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
Offline Adlerson  
#23 Posted : 19 October 2007 01:31:37(UTC)
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In my view the least they can do (If it turns out they can't send you or your dealer some kind of DIY scheme) is ship a new, /upgraded/ CS to you right away, and let you hand your old CS in to your dealer. This kind of mistake is downright moronic to make, IMNSHO, and Marklin has a golden opportunity to make some good PR for themselves out of a bad situation.

Cheers,
Helge


A Norwegian in California
Offline David Dewar  
#24 Posted : 19 October 2007 01:43:55(UTC)
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Fully agree with the above. But cant see M sending a new machine which is a pity because it is what should happen.

David
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
User is suspended until 24/11/2846 07:19:16(UTC) Bigdaddynz  
#25 Posted : 19 October 2007 01:55:52(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Adlerson
<br />In my view the least they can do (If it turns out they can't send you or your dealer some kind of DIY scheme) is ship a new, /upgraded/ CS to you right away, and let you hand your old CS in to your dealer. This kind of mistake is downright moronic to make, IMNSHO, and Marklin has a golden opportunity to make some good PR for themselves out of a bad situation.

Cheers,
Helge




Either that Nev, or they give you one of those 37184 BR18 you've been wanting.....biggrinbiggrin
Offline nevw  
#26 Posted : 19 October 2007 02:23:16(UTC)
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Let us all wait and see what happens next week.
Thanks for the words of Cheer and Encouragement.
Maybe they will give me the difference in Cost of the 37184 between Local and Europe.

Watch it!! The Pigs are flying again.
N
NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders
and a hose pipe on the aorta
Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
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