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Offline hmsfix  
#1 Posted : 02 August 2007 01:13:38(UTC)
hmsfix


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Hi friends,

Few months ago I have installed Kadee couplers on most of my bufferless US locos and freight cars, mostly using Kadee coupler sets #18, and I must say I'm very happy with this. However, there is one problem which I can't solve: There is a very small spring inside the coupler which makes the coupler claw snap in when coupling two cars. This tiny spring has been lost in two couplers. That happened when the uncoupler horn was rammed onto a high puko, when passing a turnout (so always bend the uncoupler horn upwards!).

No problem, I thought, the Kadee coupler sets provide replacement springs. Unfortunately, I have been unable up to now to insert the very small replacement springs into the coupler claw. The springs are so small that I even can't get them with the finest tweezers. I would appreciate any advice how to do it. I suppose there's a simple trick, but I didn't get it yet. [:(]

In spite of this little discomfort, I am fascinated by the Kadee couplers. Main advantage for me is that I can now combine Märklin cars and locos with US brands. I am using a few Modelpower hopper and flat cars (with NEM wheel sets), and it has been working perfectly right from the beginning.

Hans Martin
Offline Webmaster  
#2 Posted : 02 August 2007 01:20:17(UTC)
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How about just replacing the damaged couplers?

I know, it sounds like a silly question but is it worth the effort to try to repair them?

I have zero experience of Kadee, and am just expressing an "obvious" opinion about the problem... Smile
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Offline kimballthurlow  
#3 Posted : 02 August 2007 01:47:02(UTC)
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H Hans,
I have 20 years of experience with Kadees.

There is no simple way, you just keep trying.
I can actually use my fingers to replace the spring.
The trick is to insert one end of the spring over one of the "lug", then hold the spring compressed, then guide the other end over the other "lug".

Have you tried the help of a "hands-free" magnifier while doing it.

I never found tweezers particularly helpful, to be honest, though I think Kadee might supply a special one.

regards
Kimball
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Offline hmsfix  
#4 Posted : 02 August 2007 01:47:13(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Webmaster
<br />How about just replacing the damaged couplers?
...


Yep, a practical solution for the problem.

I don't have profound experience with Kadee couplers either. But it bothers me that there's possibly a trick with these couplers which I don't know. So I would be able to repair all the different types of Kadee couplers (there are 10-15 variants for cars different brands) Why else should they provide these tiny replacement springs ?

Hans Martin
Offline hmsfix  
#5 Posted : 02 August 2007 13:29:01(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by kimballthurlow
<br />H Hans,
I have 20 years of experience with Kadees.

There is no simple way, you just keep trying.
I can actually use my fingers to replace the spring.
The trick is to insert one end of the spring over one of the "lug", then hold the spring compressed, then guide the other end over the other "lug".

Have you tried the help of a "hands-free" magnifier while doing it.

I never found tweezers particularly helpful, to be honest, though I think Kadee might supply a special one.

regards
Kimball


Hi Kimball,

your advice gives me some hope that my efforts might become successful, finally. A hands-free magnifier will definitely be helpful, but it's still a brain surgeon's work.

Regards

Hans Martin
Offline justin182  
#6 Posted : 02 August 2007 21:00:42(UTC)
justin182

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This can be handy when replacing springs. It is a plastic "pick" that fits within the spring.

http://kadee.com/htmbord/page309.htm
Offline Caboose  
#7 Posted : 03 August 2007 01:46:57(UTC)
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Hallo Hans Martin. Interesting with Kadee. But i know that some modellers have hade problem with the very soft coupler-pockets on the Märklin cars in combination vith Kadee resulting in derailments. The problem is that the Kadee-coupler dont hold up sideways like the Marklincouplers do.

No problem for you downhills or in tight curves?
Sweden & USA
Offline hmsfix  
#8 Posted : 03 August 2007 12:06:59(UTC)
hmsfix


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Hi Justin,

many thanks for posting the link, I knew there must be some sophisticated highly developed tool biggrin

Hi Caboose,

There is definitely an issue with Kadee couplers and Märklin NEM pockets. The couplers a a bit loose, and therefore are about 0.5 mm too low. But it depends on the car. I usually place some narrow paper strips under the coupler when I insert it into the NEM pocket. It's ok when it is tightly fastened.

Also the uncoupler horn (i.e. this bent metal stick under the coupler) shuld be bent upwarts a little. Otherwise it will most certainly hang at the pukos of the turnouts, and cause a derailment (or break the coupler or NEM pocket).

Another important thing is the NEM pocket mechanism of most Märklin cars which allows the coupler to sweep to the side in curves. This mechanism is only needed with Märklin short couplers. With Kadee couplers the mechanism should be blocked such that the NEM pocket is fixed in the center position. Otherwise the coupler will move sidewards when there is a pulling force applied.
On most of my cars it sufficed to press the tip of a tooth pick into the mechanism, that's quite easy and can be removed again.

With this amendments I never had any coupler-related derailments, even in R1 curves or when pushing the train backwards. One exception seem to be the streamliner coaches 436xx. It appears they only run flawlessly using M* short couplers. All my efforts to install Kadee couplers here have failed (unless you accept a much larger coupling distance).

I should emphasize that this all applies to cars without buffers (i.e. US models). Kadee couplers + buffers + R1 curves, this seem to be completely incompatible things.

Regards

Hans Martin

Offline McLae  
#9 Posted : 04 August 2007 06:12:51(UTC)
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I had to fix two of these yesterday.
Here is the trick:
Get an Xacto knife with the pointed blade.
Catch the spring in the very tip of the knife, by slipping the knife point between the coil springs near one end.
Maneuver the spring over the lug on the knuckle.
Compress the spring until the free end slips over the other lug.
Remove the knife and you are done.

It takes some practice to get all the angles right (And three hands[:p]), so be sure you are in a place where the spring can be found easy after it tries to escape. (Mine tried about 5 times before I got them installed!)

The NEM pocket is one ides I wish the NMRA would copy. wink
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