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Yes Lutz I did,
All the information about connecting to the computer is not included in the this version of the manual,,,
I can't see why,,, I did as my manual says regarding this and it work's so why change it in the new version ?
Don't they want us to connect it to the computer ? I do think that this was one of the reasons for the update,,,
Or is there even a never manual on the way ? Or is there another way that Märklin want's us to connect the CS to the computer ?
Strange this is,,,
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Im not sure, but I guess there will be a minor update/bugfix soon after all CS'es are updated and there they will probably also make an updatet manual for the computer connection.
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The CS will be connected to a computer via the network port.
The days of seeing a serial or usb method for connecting a Marklin product to a computer in my view is a thing of the past.
I personaly feel that a network conection is the best choice since any computer which has a network card or port built in can be used. There is no need for special drivers to be installed just to make the unit communicate with a computer. Any operating system can be used (eg. Mac, Windows, Linux to name a few), just have to have a program on the compjuter to communicate with the CS. This is about the only part which will take some time since the actual commands are somewhat unknown at this time.
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A USB connection would make it more easy i believe , now how will i connect the cs to my pc , since the ethernet port is occupied by the cable that connects the pc with the modem ? |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by alonso231gery
<br />A USB connection would make it more easy i believe , now how will i connect the cs to my pc , since the ethernet port is occupied by the cable that connects the pc with the modem ?
Get a hub  ! They're quite inexpensive nowadays. My desktop PC has 8 USB ports, and they're all occupied, so I would need a hub or daughterboard. On the other hand, network connections allow me to my current configuration: a wireless connection between my CS and my PC, which saves me about 25 metres of cable!
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I am getting ready to send my CS to M* USA (when they will be ready for the update). Have a couple of questions and maybe Lutz or someone can help me (I apologize if maybe you have already addressed them here or on some other part of the forun). Connection to the tracks with CSThe CS I got came from a starter-pack and has a special C track for the connection (24088). M* suggests to feed the track every two meters or so. Should I "pick" up the signal from the feeder track 24088 and then "distribute" it on several locations (approx every two meters) as shown in this example?  Is that ok? Connection of 6021The new manual shows this connection to the "sniffer" ports of the CS  The transformer will "add" power to the system? I have a 60VA transformer that came with the CS plus 2 x 42VA transformers (one came with the 6021 and a former starter package, one additional I bought). I believe that in my lay-out 1x60VA + 1x42Va should be sufficient. Does it mean that once I connect my CS and my 6021 as per above schematic I am Ok as far as power? Should I consider connecting also my other 42VA transformer? In such case I should have a booster but the new manual shows the booster connection without trasformer. I think M* should address these points on their manual also for customers with medium/large lay-outs. As I understand, the ONLY connection to the track should be through the CS. Thanks for the help, Mario |
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Mario:
Your connection of the tracs should be OK, except for a step by step voltage drop. I would make a "ring" of a wire pair along the tracks, maybe 1,5 square millimetres, connected to the green connector on the CS. Then you can just hook onto the wire pair anywhere on your layout. In this case, the voltage drop along the wires are reduced to a minimum, since you have power supply form two sides.
A separate ring must be made for the CS and for any boosters connected to the layout.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by pa-pauls
<br />Yes Lutz I did,
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Or is there even a never manual on the way ? I think Stevens new message gave the answer - YES (as I had told you some days ago).  Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Strange this is,,, Not if one knows how this all happened!
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by alonso231gery
<br />A USB connection would make it more easy i believe , now how will i connect the cs to my pc , since the ethernet port is occupied by the cable that connects the pc with the modem ?
As stated before just add a hub (but actually the real term for the device is a switch based on what is designed and sold today at most stores). This will allow more than one network device to communicate with your CS if desired and also allow for the CS to be updated when updates are available. USB type devices required specific drivers to be installed and definetly has been known to be a technical nightmare when an OS change appears. Prime example of this is Windows Vista, there are many USB devices that simply do not work under Vista because the device is rather old and the manufacturer has not released a updated driver for it and in some cases never will. Having a network port for communications is the best route in my opinion. Maxi
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by intruder
A separate ring must be made for the CS and for any boosters connected to the layout. I use a 6x1,5 multiwire cable for that purpose, with connection points of about 2m distance between each other. Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:6021:
I presume that the power supply to the 6021 is only to drive the unit, no power is tranferred to the CS, only signals. I will use a smaller transformer, as the 6021 requires only a few VA. Correct! The 6021 booster output is not connected to any track/layout, which would normally consume most of the current drawn from a transformer, but rather straight to the 6021 Sniffer input. This doesn't consume much power at all. However, if you'd ask me now if you could still use the 6021 booster output to control ANOTHER layout than the one of the CS... But I'm sure you'd never think of or even ask about such strange things!
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by alonso231gery
<br />A USB connection would make it more easy i believe , now how will i connect the cs to my pc , since the ethernet port is occupied by the cable that connects the pc with the modem ?
If this is a DSL modem a switch/hub doesn't work, as the modem needs to be connected directly to the Ethernet port on the PC. You can ask your provider, if they supplied them, to exchange the modem with an USB one, this will free up the network port. |
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You can also Fit another Network Card. I have done that a few times. Either as a ISA Card or even a USB Network Card.
However The neatest and cost effective solution is to Fit a Router.
Correction. You can connect a DSL Modem the Modem can be connected to the a Router. A different type of Switch. You can also get a ADSL Modem/Router which normally comes with 4 Network Ports or you can also get a Wireless Router which has the 4 Network Ports for wired Connections and a Wireless Connection.
I use a Wireless Router. Have the Cable Modem , 2 printers and a Laptop connected.
Out in the Train room about 8 Metres away I have a Laptop connected to the Network via the wireless Connection.
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My own network topology (bear in mind both me and my wife work based from our home): Linksys WRT54G Wireless + Wired Router, connected with wires to: 2 x Desktop PCs; 1 x Thomson Cable Modem; 1 x Minolta printer It also connects wirelessly to: 2 x Laptop PCs; 1 x Nokia smartphone; 1 x Linksys WET54G Wireless bridge, which is connected to... Central Station! I'm also now considering some sort of wireless media server/media streamer to connect to the AV downstairs , but the choice is just so huge that it is bewildering....
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by frankie
<br />If this is a DSL modem a switch/hub doesn't work, as the modem needs to be connected directly to the Ethernet port on the PC.
You can ask your provider, if they supplied them, to exchange the modem with an USB one, this will free up the network port.
This is not exactly true. DSL modems in my area allow for more than one computer or network device to be connected to it with out using extra devices such as routers or switches. I highly discourage the use of USB in order to connect a computer to a DSL modem. You have a extra long delay every time you want to get connected and the computer must be on in order to allow other devices to access the internet via that single computer. If your DSL or other high speed internet setup only allows for one physical ethernet device to be connected then the next step is to purchase a router which will then allow for more than one ethernet device to be connected. A router will take far less power to operate and is a lot quieter to operate than leaving a computer on just for internet access. I have not read the new manual yet but I would expect that a computer will be required to obtain the updated firmware from the Marklin website and then with the same computer transfer the information to the CS. We will know more when the first web based update is released. Maxi
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by HemmerichCorrect! The 6021 booster output is not connected to any track/layout, which would normally consume most of the current drawn from a transformer, but rather straight to the 6021 Sniffer input. This doesn't consume much power at all. However, if you'd ask me now if you could still use the 6021 booster output to control ANOTHER layout than the one of the CS... But I'm sure you'd never think of or even ask about such strange things! How do you connect more than one transformer to a lay-out when using the CS? I have now three M* transformers and would like to connect at least two to the lay-out. Is this possible? What kind of equipment do I need to do that? Thanks |
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USB Network Card ... That sounds like a good idea Nev . What i would like to see is , the cs not to need pc when updated . |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by MarioFabro
How do you connect more than one transformer to a lay-out when using the CS? I have now three M* transformers and would like to connect at least two to the lay-out. Is this possible? What kind of equipment do I need to do that?
Thanks
You have to buy boosters and connect them to the CS. Your transformers will give the power to the boosters which will give the signal to the layout. kind regards Stephan
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by supermoee
You have to buy boosters and connect them to the CS. Your transformers will give the power to the boosters which will give the signal to the layout.
kind regards
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Thanks Stephen. That means buying either 6017 0r 60172 and connect my transformer to them and then to the CS. I am waiting for the US Marklin dealership to start the up-grades. I e-mailed Tom a couple of times and he told me to look at the website for news. Does anyone here know when they will be starting this updates? I would rather ship my CS to them then to Germany. Any US users here shipped to Germany? Thanks |
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Hi, On my small layout, in progress, I have a separate power feed to my K-83 (6083), K-84 (6084) etc.  So today I have hooked up my 6017 booster (6002 trafo) to this power feed and then to the upgraded CS. This way I have all the power from the CS to drive trains and all the power from the booster to drive decoder for accessories  And it works [:p] Weeeeeeeeeee Nice, very nice. I am happy |
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just spoke with Marklin USA and they will start probably in September to update the CS in WI. They are awaiting for the hardware from Germany... well... three months later... I guess the parts are coming via sailboat! |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by supermoee
[You have to buy boosters and connect them to the CS. Your transformers will give the power to the boosters which will give the signal to the layout.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by MarioFabro
Stephan, I assume I do not have to insulate the different feeder tracks right? just apply the same thinking with digital circuits as you would do for analog circuits. You can have a number of transformers (or boosters), but when they are connected to a layout, every of these outputs providing power to a certain layout/track section section MUST be isolated from any other (there is yet a difference - if you connect two transformers together you might be able to grill eggs this way; if you do the same with two boosters, one or both of them will likely or even for sure be grilled!)
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Will there be a cable to connect the cs with the 6021 ? |
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No, there is only a cable to connect old bosster to CS.
To connect the 6021 to CS Sniffer the normal brown and red cable is enough.
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Ahhh , ok , thanks Stephan . |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by supermoee
<br />No, there is only a cable to connect old bosster to CS.
To connect the 6021 to CS Sniffer the normal brown and red cable is enough.
kind regards
Stephan
Well, almost. You'll need the small green plug to mount the cable to the sniffer port of the CS expansion box. Any updated and new CS comes now with the following two additional accessories: - the booster connect cable - the green 6021 connection plug
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Marklin are expecting delays during August in the update process due to a shortage of Components. (Marklin News Today).
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Hi to all,
Great news.
I've got my updated CS back. It was returned within 2 weeks! I must say: perfect service of Maerklin.
Today I connected my 6021 with interface and my operational software (that communicates with the 6051 and runs on an ancient W95 laptop): it runs perfect!!
So finally I can run my existing software (on-screen switchboard with track-occupancy detection) in combination with the CS.
Also all s88 detections connected to the 6051 worked right from the start.
I also worked through most of the new functions of the CS (= not the "pendelzug" section since my s88's are connected to the 6051) and am really surprised. Indeed a lot better than the old software.
Great job.
So to those of you who are still waiting for the update: heads up, it is worth waiting for.
Regards,
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I have sent mine last week , can anyone figure out how much time it will take , until i take it back ? |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by nevw
<br />Marklin are expecting delays during August in the update process due to a shortage of Components. (Marklin News Today). The relevant information can be found here: http://www.maerklin.de/produkte/cs_update.php
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After you got your cs back , the locolist was still there ? |
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Well, I've sent my CS off for updating. Hopefully it will be back in 6 to 8 weeks time..... Meanwhile, out comes the MS and 6021.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by alonso231gery
<br />After you got your cs back , the locolist was still there ?
Hi Alonso, yes, loklist and all turnout/signal definitions were still there and active. Only some of the icons for the loc functions were mixed up. But that was easily to be corrected. Hans
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Hello Hans , thank you for your reply , that is good news because it is boring to add again the adresses , although by the end of August i will have only around 30 locos . |
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7/8/07: From now on lokshop deliver the Marklin Mega-Starter-Sets 29851 and 29825 with Central Station Update. |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by HvR
<br />Hi to all,
Great news.
I've got my updated CS back. It was returned within 2 weeks! I must say: perfect service of Maerklin.
Great news Hans! Did you send it to the Dutch Service Centre? The Dutch M* web learns that upgrading will start on the end of August  It even has the Dutch manual to download by now. Still waiting though..I am not "missing" my CS but the curiosity is killing me [xx(] |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by HvR<br /> Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by alonso231gery
<br />After you got your cs back , the locolist was still there ?
Hi Alonso, yes, loklist and all turnout/signal definitions were still there and active. Only some of the icons for the loc functions were mixed up. But that was easily to be corrected. Hans Yes,Thats right.I have same as up to three functions mixed up per loco as you can see 'F' in the circle. |
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<br />After you got your cs back , the locolist was still there ?
Surprise! My CS(U) arrived back home today Working fine and with the original locs and turnout setup too. I even managed to connect to my PC 'just like that' and make a backup from the settings via the HTML web interface. |
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Very well Gert-Jan , i still have not received mine . |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by Gert-Jan..... Surprise! My CS(U) arrived back home today Good for you Gert-Jan. I still have no news about mine - it has been 9 weeks! [xx(] Not to complain - thinking of our friends over-there and down-under. |
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Just a question... the CS with the mFX decoders should be able to control 128 speed steps.. right? |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by MarioFabro
<br />Just a question... the CS with the mFX decoders should be able to control 128 speed steps.. right? Hello Mario, YES - and it even does so! You get 128 speed steps (actually until speed step 126) displayed on the CS and the selected loco drives according to this set speed. On the MS display, this converts to 4 speed steps per knob grid (but you can even get intermediate steps there as well). Here two examples with speed step 40 and 80.   One more remark about non-mfx decoders: with the updated CS there are now 4 different protocols possible, which result in different speed step displays (see also CS handbook section 3.3.2. "data format"); see next pics, also in comparison with only two for the non-updated CS.   Here an example of one of my c91 based locos (modified Re465 #3763)   Driving this is now really very nice!
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich
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One more remark about non-mfx decoders:
with the updated CS there are now 4 different protocols possible, which result in different speed step displays (see also CS handbook section 3.3.2. "data format"); see next pics, also in comparison with only two for the non-updated CS.
Lutz, which decoders/locomotives will have 14 or 28 steps? I assume it goes with model and year right? Most of my digital locomotives are fairly recent and some were uograded with the 6090 kits. I have also severel equipped with LokSound decoders. Will they "qualify" for 28 steps or still follow the original M*/Motorola 14 steps? Thanks |
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On Uhlenbrock you can set the speed steps with a CV, for example.
Can't remember if this can be done also on the 60760 retrofit kit.
For the 6090X, I don't know. |
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2 months and i do not have my cs back [:(]. |
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Every thing takes time.
I finally got my third issue of the insider magazine, I am sure your unit is inline for the update and will be returned before the new year [:0].
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Mine will be back tomorrow, it took a couple of months to have it upgraded, ready to test what I took back from Goeppingen[:p][:p][:p] |
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Finally i will have it tomorrow, after 4 months.
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Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD
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My replacement still lost in New Zealand. [:(][:(][V] |
NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders
and a hose pipe on the aorta
Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around |
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