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Does anyone have an opinion on Marklin trains for a switching layout/shunting puzzle? I'm open to both digital and conventional operation although I would probably start non-digital. I've seen some complain that low speed performance is not very good and reversing the loco can be jumpy and a bit tricky in conventional operation. I understand digital helps all that but I'm concerned with the smaller number of speed steps I've heard the Marklin System has compared to DCC. I know on my old DC layout I can really get the switchers to just creep along at very slow speed with great control in my yards. Would I loose that with Marklin? Thanks for your help.
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Only old M* locos without electronics are jumpy (this should be no problem with 33xx/34xx analog and digital locos). Some digital locos have load regulation even in analog operation (but mfx locos don't). If you try analog operation, get a digital loco to start with!
With digital operation, even only 14 speed steps should be sufficient if you use real shunters (60 km/h maximum speed (prototype, approx. 37 mph) divided by 14 speed steps is reasonably fine). And Mobile Station and CS use more than 14 speed steps with mfx locos. |
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Hi Chris, I am quite used to using the latest 2 rail HO products, including DCC, with Kadee couplers and uncouplers, so I believe I can comment fairly on your question.
If you are able to purchase one of the later sets of Marklin digital (I did, a mega starter set with Class 50 steam, and Class 216 diesel), both these locomotives have excellent low-speed running, even to a creep. The 50 class steamer even has a remotely activated uncoupler on the tender, which is terrific. Marklin calls it a Telex coupler. Also, all rolling stock in these sets has the latest Marklin "kurzkupling" or short coupler.
Now, I have purchased, but not yet installed, the Marklin uncouplers. But even without this, I use a flat manual uncoupler stick, and I find the coupling/uncoupling very consistent. Sometimes the coupling is not so positive (probably 90%, against Kadee 95%).
But I have also purchased some older Marklin rolling stock with the standard Relex coupler, and I replace these with a 7203 or 7205 "kurzkupling" (KK) if possible. I find that Relex coupler does not mate 100% with the KK particularly well, which is why I replace them.
My summation is that if you purchase later Marklin digital equipment, with the latest couplings, you should be more than satified. I certainly am.
There may be other members who can nominate engines (including US prototype) with good low speed characteristics as well.
regards Kimball
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Joined: 26/11/2006(UTC) Posts: 507 Location: Atlanta, Georgia
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Hi Chris,
I did just what you are asking about. I recently started with Marklin and I did some shunting puzzles. The last time I did MRR there was no DCC, so I can't compare Marklin to latest 2-rail DCC. But the Marklin digital is way better than the non-Marklin stuff I had ages ago. (of course anything might be better than what I had:) For what its worth, here's my bit on shunting puzzles with Marklin.
I started with a digital BR 86 from a starter set and have made several variations of tyme saver and ingelnook shunting puzzles. The slow speed is good. There maybe better choices for shunting puzzles than the BR 86.
I think telex is great on a shunting puzzle. 1) The less uncoupler tracks there are, the smaller the puzzle can be. 2) Less manual uncoupling needed (big hand from sky). 3) much easier to place a wagon anywhere on the tracks using telex. 4) if you are moving only one car (often in a puzzle) telex is perfect for that.
Strictly for a shunting puzzle I would look at the V60 37655, but have no experience with it. But here's why I'd pick it: 0) all new and digital, 1) its small. who wants a big engine (BR 86) for a small shunting puzzle? 2) the telex is fixed to the body. On the BR86 the coupler moves with the wheels and is not always aligned when coming out of a curve. 3) V 60 can uncouple in either direction unlike tender mounted telex in some starter sets, 4) the V 60 looks like its a mid engine design so the telex maybe far away from the motor's permanent magnet. The magnet on the BR 86 is right above the rear telex and may interfere with releasing wagons. Some people notice it, others not.
I didn't get a V 60 because I want to stick with steam. So I'm fiddling with upgrading a small telex tank engine (30321) to digital that I hope will have the qualities I ascribed to the V 60.
For shunting puzzle I prefer relex for rolling stock: more space between cars makes it easier to do lots of uncoupling. Relex seems like a simpler design intended for ease of use rather than being designed to look good (and still work). Relex also seems to be more forgiving when un/coupling near a curve. Lots of uncoupling between the two types is doable but not as reliable/easy as sticking with one type of coupler. The telex coupler, which is only on the locomotive, will work well with either relex or close couplers.
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In your place I would get one of the analogue startsets with a small freight train, or perhaps 29852 with two loks and lots of wagons. Like the others have said, even these loks have digital decoders for smooth running. 29852 is this one:  If you exchange the coupler hooks on the loks for "real" relex couplers, then you only need one uncoupler track for an Inglenook, as you can shunt the wagons with open couplings without them locking again. (The Steamer in 29852 already have relex couplers, only the diesel needs changing.) If you add two switches and an uncoupler you can make an oval track with an inglenook inside, so you can both watch the trains go around, and do some puzzling. I'm currently experimenting with incorporating inglenooks and timesavers into my layout to add some varied operations. Tell us how you do. |
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Joined: 30/04/2007(UTC) Posts: 94 Location: , OH
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Thanks everyone for you generous replies and advice. I'll keep you posted as my plans come together. |
Chris
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a guy who used to post here (Peter Verheyen) had or has a AC analog switching puzzle. he brought it to a ETE East show a few years ago - so it apparently can and has been done, despite what others will tell you. He just had an old class 89? (3000) steam loc on it plus cars. it was about 2x4.
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Joined: 23/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,497 Location: Denmark
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Hi guys,
Excuse me for asking: What is a awitching layout/shunting puzzle?
I have read the above, but still I can't really figure it out [:I]
I ended up being puzzled myself [:o)]
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It's all revealed here: http://www.wymann.info/ShuntingPuzzles/index.htmlI must say I prefer the Inglenook over the timesaver; it's more economical too. All you need is about 11 straights, two switches and an uncoupler track (unless you prefer to uncouple manually). |
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Joined: 23/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,497 Location: Denmark
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Thanks for the links, Laffe and Chris.
That's a whole new ballgame in MRR to me[:p]
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Caplin <br /> Thanks for the links, Laffe and Chris.
That's a whole new ballgame in MRR to me[:p]
There were some articles in a swedish book series some while ago which has inspired me much. Basically this guy made four modules with Märklin M-track. Two modules were just plain curves with no scenery. The other two were straight modules, with a puzzle on each; one hade a Timesaver type station (with one less spur), the other had a small freight yard in an Inglenook style. The two straights had independent scenery and a scenic screen dividing them. He could use the straight modules one by one as shelf switchers, or connect them for a larger shelf layout. He could use them with one of the curves to form a small point-to-point layout or use both curves to form an oval layout with two operators and two trains, one per puzzle. They would shunt and solve their puzzle as fast as possible, and then send the train around the screen to the other operator. |
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It's easy to fit a lot of switching in a small space with European trains because many of the freight cars are very short. The couplers can be a challenge, though - it helps to file any burrs off the metal loops.
The May 2007 issue of Model Railroader includes a plan for a small shelf layout that was originally designed for Maerklin/Trix track. It fits a lot of operation into a relatively small space by using a pair of double-slips and a 3-way turnout. It's in the article on how you can use special trackwork to add operation to your layout.
As far as locomotives, I have a class 80 steam switcher (converted to digital) that will run extremely slowly, and a class 81 (also converted) that does nearly as well. They're a little loud but very smooth. Have fun!
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by Laffe<br />It's all revealed here: http://www.wymann.info/ShuntingPuzzles/index.htmlI must say I prefer the Inglenook over the timesaver; it's more economical too. All you need is about 11 straights, two switches and an uncoupler track (unless you prefer to uncouple manually). I'm in the process of building my own Inglenook with scenery though it will be in DC. The short length of HOe track is for scenic purposes only. The knockout is for the control, a single DPDT switch to reverse the direction of travel. I doubt my Jouef SCNF CC6505 will see a whole lot of action on it though.   |
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Turbo, I just ordered the May back issue of MRR. Thinking about subscribing, I suppose differences between USA and Germany model railroading are not too different except for the 3 rail thing. Is there an equivalent magazine for Marklin and German railroading? I'd like to see more German prototypes and layouts.
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trainbuff, One big difference is that Marklin items are designed to handle R1 Curves. N |
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Trainbuff,
You have several choices of magazines that include more European content if you can read German - MiBa, Modell Eisenbahner, Eisenbahn Journal, Eisenbahn Modellbahn, Maerklin's own magazine, or the relatively new 123 Leiter Magazin, among others. If you're limited to English, Continental Modeller and the English edition of Maerklin Magazin are two options.
Most techniques - scenery, benchwork, track, basic wiring, structure building, painting - transfer. Like you said, the 3 rail track is different, and so are the couplers and some of the parts used in digital conversions.
T.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Turbo T Terry <br />The May 2007 issue of Model Railroader includes a plan for a small shelf layout that was originally designed for Maerklin/Trix track. It fits a lot of operation into a relatively small space by using a pair of double-slips and a 3-way turnout. It's in the article on how you can use special trackwork to add operation to your layout.
Anyone have the trackplan from this article? I would order the magazine unless postage to Sweden was so steep -- twice the cost of the magazine itself[:0] |
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Laffe, Here is a facsimile of the trackplan from the article. The figure in the article appears to have turnout angles much smaller than C track and there appears to be more space for buildings and scenery. They use Peco medium radius turn outs. The plan is 8 by 2.5 ft. The buildings from left to right are: Foundry, passenger and freight station. The article has enough space for many town building between foundry and passenger station and the track is closer to the bottom of the figure.  Edited by moderator 11 January 2011 14:44:56(UTC)
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by trainbuff<br />Laffe, Here is a facsimile of the trackplan from the article. The figure in the article appears to have turnout angles much smaller than C track and there appears to be more space for buildings and scenery. They use Peco medium radius turn outs. The plan is 8 by 2.5 ft. The buildings from left to right are: Foundry, passenger and freight station. The article has enough space for many town building between foundry and passenger station and the track is closer to the bottom of the figure.  Very nice, thank you! A bit larger than I expected though. Edited by moderator 11 January 2011 14:43:43(UTC)
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Here is a bad picture of a switch layout that never were finished.I used it as a test layout.It have both the Inglenook Siding and a Timesaver inside the oval.  /Mats Please tell me if the link doesn´t work.
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Your picture look good.Thanks for sharing. |
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I found a site with excellent small/shunting layout plans. "Andrews Home Layout" (number 8 on the list) looks especially nice for my purposes but there are many others that are just as good. http://andrews-trains.fotopic.net/ I hope you enjoy and are inspired. |
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Very interesting site. Thanks! |
Kind regards, Pieter-Jan Bruges, Belgium. |
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Great site - lots of inspiration.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by Westfield Depot<br />I found a site with excellent small/shunting layout plans. "Andrews Home Layout" (number 8 on the list) looks especially nice for my purposes but there are many others that are just as good. http://andrews-trains.fotopic.net/ I hope you enjoy and are inspired. Cool site. |
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I'm currently experimenting with different trackplans for my layout. It will basically be a point to point bookshelf layout, and at one end will be a small terminus with an incorporated inglenook. The idea is that I can do some shunting in between running the trains back and forth.  During regular operation, the upper left track goes to an industry while the upper right track is a team track. Passenger trains will stop at the bottom track, and the engine will then use the runaround to reverse the train. The straight track at the far right will have a locomotive train, while the slightly curved track next to it will have either a refuel station for diesels or a small coal and water depot for steamers. I had to use a curved turnout to fit the terminus into a corner. The team track and the straight part of the runaround track can take three short wagons each. The bottom track takes exactly five wagons between the decouplers. Since the left track (which disappears into a tunnel) can contain a lok and three wagons the terminus also doubles as a classic inglenook. |
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