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Fredrik		#101 Posted : 11 June 2007 13:15:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/07/2004(UTC) Posts: 642		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by David Dewar <br />I will be interested to learn who gets their CS back from M..how long it takes..and how good is version two. Thereafter I hope I will be able to return to a more positive outlook on this subject. Meanwhile I am off to play with my CS which is still going well. David Hi David, I agree with you that the CS is very good working "as is". I would have no problem with using it in the current state (SW: 1.6.44). But: I've already sent mine in for upgrade, not because of poor functionality, but because I want (need) the interface-protocol for it. Except for that I find the CS very good. Now it doesn't matter to me, having my CS gone for a while, as I meanwhile use the ECoS instead, and if I guess right the CS will return with almost the same functionality as the ECoS (incl. interface-protocol). Then (and if my guess is right) the CS will have one advantage over ECoS (IMHO) and that is: Mfx. At the same time ECoS will have an advantage over CS: Control knobs (as I prefer those on ECoS). Should no one else have given their aspect on the upgraded CS before my returns, I'll be glad to give a comment about it - but I already expect it to be an ECoS with Mfx, with other knobs and no DCC...
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David Dewar		#102 Posted : 11 June 2007 17:20:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,454 Location: Scotland		Hi Fredrik. Thanks for information and I will be pleased to hear how you get on with the upgrade and how long it takes for your CS to be sent back to you. There has been plenty of talk on this now we can find out how good or otherwise Marklin are. David
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Hemmerich		#103 Posted : 12 June 2007 17:21:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by MJ-Teknik Except for that I find the CS very good. Fully agreed - and nothing else matters! Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Now it doesn't matter to me, having my CS gone for a while, as I meanwhile use the ECoS instead, and if I guess right the CS will return with almost the same functionality as the ECoS (incl. interface-protocol). You're not only guessing right - as I explained already in my thread entry you can simply take the ECoS handbook and you'll find most to all new CS functions and changed screens described there as well. So no surprises at all; anyone interested can get access to an ECoS and try them out (or even just read the manual in order to understand those new functions). [:p] I am also interested in the new CS interface protocol, but more important for me is the capability to use my existing MM equipment (which I think applies to most Others too). Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Then (and if my guess is right) the CS will have one advantage over ECoS (IMHO) and that is: Mfx. At the same time ECoS will have an advantage over CS: Control knobs (as I prefer those on ECoS). I'd call it rather a functional difference; the CS manages mfx, the ECoS DCC/Selectrix instead - and they both support MM. Knobs and different screen colors are solely personal taste; as long as the same "core" functions can be applied/executed it doesn't really matter. Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:...but I already expect it to be an ECoS with Mfx, with other knobs and no DCC... That's what has been agreed and planned by ESU for and with Märklin. The full duration for the upgrade is the only customer measure, but it is already unquestioned that it will be and is unique different for each and every customer and hence cannot really be compared "unbiased" (unless you know EXACTLY the individual time contributors; i.e. how long the device was sitting at the dealer's stock room, when and how long it took to ship to the corresponding upgrade address (just think about the NZCE - "New Zealand Canoe Express"!), how long it is in the "upgrade queue", etc. And even more, this has really nothing to do with the functionality of the upgrade which is the topic of this thread and should be discussed here.
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HvR		#104 Posted : 12 June 2007 18:26:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/05/2003(UTC) Posts: 161 Location: ,		Hi Lutz, As always, you seem more up to date on M*'s status than M* is herself. Or at least as M* is telling us. Great, I simply take benefit of that.... So my question is.....: Anything accurate known to you on the upgrade planning? Dutch M* website says 1 month delay, but we have heard that before. Like you mentioned in your last post, I am waiting too to connect my 6050 interface to my CS (through a 6021). I further agree that the CS is a nice controller, but without the 6050 connect I am still missing something. By the way, another question: will any s88's connected with the 6050 interface possibly conflict with any other s88's connected with the 60212 directly? Regards, Hans
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frankie		#105 Posted : 12 June 2007 19:34:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 692 Location: Italy		I am planning to attend the Modellbahn Treff, will it be a good idea and take the CS with me for the update? Thanks again for your time.
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Hemmerich		#106 Posted : 13 June 2007 01:33:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by HvR As always, you seem more up to date on M*'s status than M* is herself. Hi Hans, Nope! I can or will only tell what I know from my communication with different parties at Märklin. It may be changed by Märklin any time w/o further or advance notice. Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Dutch M* website says 1 month delay, but we have heard that before. I've heard many things about the CS and Systems; most of them were just speculations. We might know it better when the first released units are out/back to customers. Interesting is to see that there is no (t yet a) corresponding announcement on the "Main" server (even though it was updated very recent). Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Like you mentioned in your last post, I am waiting too to connect my 6050 interface to my CS (through a 6021). I further agree that the CS is a nice controller, but without the 6050 connect I am still missing something. By the way, another question: will any s88's connected with the 6050 interface possibly conflict with any other s88's connected with the 60212 directly? s88's connected to the CS are set up and configured in the same way as with the ECoS (see sections 8, 19) using the s88 bus-control, which is like the 6021 sniffer just another mfx device. However, s88's connected to a 6050/6051 are (solely) used in conjunction with a PC software which is connected to those interfaces. My current knowledge is that they should not conflict with each other.
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HvR		#107 Posted : 13 June 2007 15:11:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/05/2003(UTC) Posts: 161 Location: ,		Lutz, Thanks for your reply. I appreciate your feedback! Regarding s88 (non-)conflict: I hope it works this way. Then I can leave my existing s88/6050 network intact. At present I have the 6021 and 60212 environments installed in parallel with a big 4 pole/double throw switch inbetween (2 for power, 2 for track connection) so I can switch between the both without running the risk of inadvertently putting power on the outlets of either the 6021 or 60212. But the s88 feedback is constantly connected to the 6050 s88 port. Works perfect, but still I can't operate the 6050 together with the CS. For that I still have to wait for the upgrade..... By the way: the Dutch M* website has already removed the "one month delay" message for the CS upgrade, so it might well be that the upgrade is already delayed further. Looks again like ESU can not / doesn't want to deliver the CS sniffer modules before they finished their new ECOS Booster......= planned for september (yes, this is speculation again). Let us all enjoy summertime and vacation first. Regards, Hans
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Hemmerich		#108 Posted : 13 June 2007 21:29:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by HvR the Dutch M* website has already removed the "one month delay" message for the CS upgrade Yes. I've seen that too. Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: ... ESU delivery ... (yes, this is speculation again). Agreed!
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Hemmerich		#109 Posted : 26 June 2007 17:42:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by charles Sharpe <br />Hello Hemmerich. Do we have any news when Mearklin will start to up grade the CS. Should start any time now.
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Hemmerich		#110 Posted : 26 June 2007 17:47:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by jannie <br />Many thanks for all the excellent info regarding the CS. Question: Will the updated CS handle the Marklin turntable & how ? Regards Jannie Hi Jannie, ESU has just released a SW update and a manual supplement on how to control the Märklin turntable. It can be expected that this will also be added to the CS functionality; if not yet now with the upgrade then with any coming next version (I'll have to verify this).
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steventrain		#111 Posted : 26 June 2007 20:49:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,692 Location: United Kingdom		Hi Lutz, How can i send to marklin service dept or what?
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Gert-Jan		#112 Posted : 26 June 2007 21:19:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/04/2005(UTC) Posts: 777 Location: Netherlands		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by steventrain <br />Hi Lutz, How can i send to marklin service dept or what? Curious that the Dutch Marklin website is not reachable (for some weeks now...) Anyway...I am going to bring my Central Station to a Marklin dealer tomorrow. This will be the shop where Sander works on Saturdays. Unfortunatly I can not wait till Saturday...yesterday my Insider news arrived and I must get my vouchers posted too.
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Guus		#113 Posted : 26 June 2007 21:56:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,616		Hi Gert Jan, Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Curious that the Dutch Marklin website is not reachable (for some weeks now...) I'm a little confused by what you mean. The site works perfectly here at my computer. Kind regards Guus
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David Dewar		#114 Posted : 26 June 2007 23:12:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,454 Location: Scotland		Insider clearly states that CS updates start in June. As we will shortly be in July I would expect the first batch will have been completed and returned to their owners. However as this is Marklin management I expect not one person will have had his/her CS updated. It is well known that I support the CS and M but in this case I believe the delays are not acceptable. WE can only hope that the work done on the CS's will be of a high standard and they will not require to be returned for a second time. David
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Gert-Jan		#115 Posted : 26 June 2007 23:14:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/04/2005(UTC) Posts: 777 Location: Netherlands		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Guus <br />Hi Gert Jan, Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Curious that the Dutch Marklin website is not reachable (for some weeks now...) I'm a little confused by what you mean. The site works perfectly here at my computer. Kind regards Guus Hi Guus, Interesting, a bit of-topic too I was trying www.marklin.nl on my home Vista PC. The website does not connect so I figured it was out of order. After reading your reply I tried my Laptop running XP...and that is where it works [}:)] The sites marklin.de and also marklin.com work fine on my Vista PC though... So end of July it will be. And it does not need to be send to Göppingen, but to the Dutch Service Centre. Good to read!
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Hemmerich		#116 Posted : 27 June 2007 02:01:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by David Dewar <br />Insider clearly states that CS updates start in June. My Insider magazine information clearly states that free updates for the CS are offered between June and December 2007. It furthermore clearly states that customers should understand that the updates are performed in the sequence of incoming devices (FIFO) and that delays may occur.
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Hemmerich		#117 Posted : 27 June 2007 02:10:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Gert-Jan The sites marklin.de and also marklin.com work fine on my Vista PC though... All sites are accessible with my noty and PC as well (except for the short NL site dropout time during the pre-last weekend). Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:So end of July it will be. And it does not need to be send to G�ppingen, but to the Dutch Service Centre. Good to read! Yes! Should speed up the process. DSC can start as soon as the first update material arrives theres.
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David Dewar		#118 Posted : 27 June 2007 14:46:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,454 Location: Scotland		Lutz As you say updates start in June therefore the first should now have been done and on their way back to customers. If not then there is a further delay. What if somebody sent their CS to M on 1st June...how many months will they wait until it returns. I think you will find few have sent their CS anywhere as who can trust this firm to do anything on time. It would be better if they just admitted that there are delays and they have no idea how long it will take to do updates. Lets see how many are done oin July .. David
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frankie		#119 Posted : 27 June 2007 15:38:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 692 Location: Italy		I have been in touch with the Italian service center for the replacement of the 76XXX signals, BTW they are back after 6 months, they told me that I must ship the CS to them, it is not clear yet if then in turn it will be shipped to M* or it will be carried out in house. I should contact them by the second week of July. The signals are completely new, a new package with all the sundries, and were not available since now, as you can read from the delivery sheet, New Items 2006, published on M* website.
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dntower85		#120 Posted : 27 June 2007 17:46:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,218 Location: Shady Shores, TX - USA		I heard through my dealer this weekend that marklin USA has sent out an email saying that the modular upgrade is postponed indefinitely. Has anyone else heard this and is this just for the States?
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rschaffr		#121 Posted : 27 June 2007 18:26:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,181 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		If that is true, it will (finally) make my decision to got ECoS for my Grandson. W don't need mfx, but wanted to buy Marklin for him if I could.
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Hemmerich		#122 Posted : 27 June 2007 22:21:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by David Dewar <br />Lutz As you say updates start in June Nope! I didn't say that. May I recall what I really wrote, based upon the latest Insider magazine contents: "information clearly states that free updates for the CS are offered between June and December 2007." Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:It would be better if they just admitted that there are delays and they have no idea how long it will take to do updates. Again, please read once more what was stated about this: "customers should understand that the updates are performed in the sequence of incoming devices (FIFO) and that delays may occur."
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HvR		#123 Posted : 27 June 2007 22:26:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/05/2003(UTC) Posts: 161 Location: ,		Hi All, According to a thread in the German "Stummi" Marklin forum can be read (I just recall, I do not know if it is true) that M* has the software complete but is still waiting for the last pieces of hardware. The already planned s88/sniffer circuit board has to be enhanced with an extra plug on the booster port containing an extra resistor. It is said that when these additional plugs come in, everything should be complete. So I hope we can get a HP1 on the upgrade soon. I really keep my fingers crossed, but nothing is sure to me unless news is officially confirmed. With the announcement that the Dutch service Center will do the upgrade, some further (personal) questions come in mind..... 1: I like my CS to be upgraded asap, because I finally want to tie my 6050/51 interface to the CS and start using my s88/trackoccupation sensors again. 2: I also do not want to miss my CS for an extended amount of time. certainly not months. 3: Shall I send my CS in asap with the risk that it is ending up at the bottom of a big pile of CS's? Or shall I wait until the first stampede of running in CS's is over and send my CS in in September or such? 4: If i send in in september, will there be a chance that the service center already ran out of upgrade packages and that I have to wait for a second batch? AAhhrrgghhh, dilemma's and questions... I hope the right answers will come in time. What do you think? Regards, Hans
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Davy		#124 Posted : 27 June 2007 22:33:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,915 Location: Netherlands		I am not in a hurry so I will wait for a while.
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Gert-Jan		#125 Posted : 28 June 2007 00:10:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/04/2005(UTC) Posts: 777 Location: Netherlands		I have brought mine to the M* dealer today. It is now in Sander's hands I hope it gets on the FIFO stack without causing a stack overflow...
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David Dewar		#126 Posted : 28 June 2007 00:59:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,454 Location: Scotland		Hi Lutz. I dont understand your comments. If updating is to be done between June and December then that should be 1st June until 31st December. However you say there can be delays so by that way of thinking the first updates could start on 30th December. We already have Ron..quite rightly.. now thinking of buying an ECOS because of continuing uncertainty. If you feel that this matter is being dealt with correctly then I think you are the only one which is bad news for Marklin. It may well be that the majority of CS purchasers who are not members of this or any other forum have no idea about updates and are probably happy with what they have..as I am..in which case that is a plus for Marklin. Time will tell just how well this has been organised but at present there is confusion and no updates have been done as is shown by the comments in this thread. David
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alonso231gery		#127 Posted : 28 June 2007 01:12:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/08/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,959 Location: Hellas (Athens)		September is the month for me .
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Hemmerich		#128 Posted : 28 June 2007 14:49:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by David Dewar If updating is to be done between June and December ... You probably still miss the KEY of the message. There is like in most cases/always quite a difference between an offer and its actual delivery. This free offer is valid between June and December 2007. CS owners surely don't depend upon this or other forums to know about the update; they got/get their information primarily through the official channels, which is completely sufficient for most. If someone is unwilling to wait for the actual delivery, he/she may decide whatever they want, they have to live with their decision. PS: Maybe it helps if I tell you that I'm just eagerly waiting to get my second CS back any day - updated!
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alonso231gery		#129 Posted : 28 June 2007 16:28:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/08/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,959 Location: Hellas (Athens)		I cannot understand why someone having a second cs .
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David Dewar		#130 Posted : 28 June 2007 18:05:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,454 Location: Scotland		Hi Lutz. Couple of points. You say there is a difference between an offer and its delivery. I presume this is in Germany because here in the UK if an offer starts in June then that is the start date not some other point in time. Knowing my friends in the USA I think they would also expect that type of service. You say CS owners are advised through official channels. What channels are these. Here in the UK no dealer has advised anybody and unless you are an Insider, Marklin has not advised anybody either. Insider mag says : From beginning of June 2007 until the end of the year : If this is not 1st June then when ?? also says : Updates done in the order they are sent in and that some delays may possibly occur : I take that to mean if they recieve a lot at the same time it will take longer to return them... NOT that the updates dont start in June. Apart from yourself who has had an update done has anybody else had the work carried out? Please let me know. David
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rschaffr		#131 Posted : 28 June 2007 19:14:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,181 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		I am (patiently) waiting for my friend Mike (aka Planovstruev) to tell me that he has a fully updated, new CS in his store and I will then probably buy it. I can afford to wait for a while (the MS is keeping my grandson happy for the present) BUT if the update is pushed back indefinitely, I will probably buy him an ECoS. Just waiting for this to shake out. I will probably wait until no later than September to make this decision. For me, I drive mine with a computer and the IB is doing everything I need. When the computer control protocols are released and I get around to doing a CS module on my train control program, I MAY buy a CS for myself. (Of course if my IB goes belly up like Adrian's did, this issue will become more urgent since I don't want to spend a few hudred dollars on outdated technology.)
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Hemmerich		#132 Posted : 29 June 2007 00:40:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by alonso231gery <br />I cannot understand why someone having a second cs . Easy - one to play with and another for Märklin! No, honestly - do you have already a family and maybe kids - what should they use to play with their layouts? And even "worse" - there might also be some grandchildren some time... PS: I also still have a bunch of 6020/6021's. How could someone ever think that Märklin comes up with some new stuff during a model railroaders life time? [}:)]
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Hemmerich		#133 Posted : 29 June 2007 01:16:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by David Dewar <br />Hi Lutz. Couple of points. You say there is a difference between an offer and its delivery. I presume this is in Germany because here in the UK if an offer starts in June then that is the start date not some other point in time. Knowing my friends in the USA I think they would also expect that type of service. There is no conflict between the two. How about purchasing a low fare flight in December, based upon a time limited offer, but actually taking advantage of it only in Summer? Such "deals" are for sure not only popular in Germany. Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:You say CS owners are advised through official channels. What channels are these. Here in the UK no dealer has advised anybody and unless you are an Insider, Marklin has not advised anybody either. I know about articles in the MM, the Insider magazine and letters to dealers; information has as well been given at digital days and on the Märklin Web. So, contrary to your wrong statement, Märklin has taken multiple channels to advise their customers about this upgrade. I don't know how U.K. dealers handle this and their customers, and honestly - I don't care either. I opened this thread to give interested forum members a better understanding of the technical contents of this upgrade and not for such useless discussions like what U.K. dealers may do or may not do. Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Insider mag says : From beginning of June 2007 until the end of the year : If this is not 1st June then when ?? That's the duration time for the upgrade offer. Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:also says : Updates done in the order they are sent in and that some delays may possibly occur : I take that to mean if they recieve a lot at the same time it will take longer to return them... NOT that the updates dont start in June. It may also take longer also if more CS's have arrived than parts are available; that's why I wrote "resources". Rumors were spread about the upgrade being done as well in Switzerland, U.S.A. and lately also the Netherlands in order to reduce the tat. It's up to the Märklin repair center and QA to manage this. You'll know early enough when someone else reports as well about those great new functions which I had explained in my entry thread. Nothing else is important! Enough and bye for now on this topic.
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David Dewar		#134 Posted : 29 June 2007 13:47:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,454 Location: Scotland		Hi Lutz your quote : I don't know how U.K. dealers handle this and their customers, and honestly - I don't care either : Probably sums it up David
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nevw		#135 Posted : 30 June 2007 02:29:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Now we have an interesting slant on this CS Upgrade. Initially all were told that the Upgrade would be done between June and December. Now us poor Native English speakers immediately thought "Oh Marklin are going to do the Upgrades Starting in June and Ending in December. O What fools we are. It now appears that the true intention is to beging the upgrade process sometime between June and December and we, the poor consumer are treated like Mushrooms and told nothing. At least we know that for a favoured one or two they have had their CS Upgraded and the rest of the World is still in darkness. Dealers have NOT been given information as to when they can begin sending in customers CS for the Upgrade. Our Local dealer has made the odd 3 to 4 Phone calls and gets the Standard answer " We will let you know when we will begin." "NO we cannot tell you when" Well chapps do not keep hanging by your thumbs.
		NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders and a hose pipe on the aorta Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
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Bigdaddynz		#136 Posted : 30 June 2007 07:25:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,771 Location: New Zealand		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by nevw <br />Our Local dealer has made the odd 3 to 4 Phone calls and gets the Standard answer " We will let you know when we will begin." "NO we cannot tell you when" And that, dear reader, is pretty much what my dealer is being told. Doesn't Marklin care for its customers at the far ends of the earth?
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nevw		#137 Posted : 30 June 2007 09:53:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: By BIG DADDY And that, dear reader, is pretty much what my dealer is being told. Doesn't Marklin care for its customers at the far ends of the earth? Apparently not. Dealers are also being treated as Mushrooms. If you are not in Europe you do not exist. [:(][:(][:(!] (Cannot use any more they are rationed)
		NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders and a hose pipe on the aorta Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
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David Dewar		#138 Posted : 30 June 2007 15:06:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,454 Location: Scotland		Thanks for the support Nev. I still do like the CS but the Marklin service is just not good enough. I do not know the make up of the management but I think a few more from countries outside Germany would help. If M are to survive surely they must increase their exports and a 'could not care less' attitude will not help. I believe the new systems controller will be good and hope that meanwhile business is not being lost to competitors. Must be difficult being a dealer and trying to answer questions without the required information. David
		Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
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john black		#139 Posted : 30 June 2007 15:50:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by nevw <br />Our Local dealer has made the odd 3 to 4 Phone calls and gets the Standard answer: "We will let you know when we will begin." "NO we cannot tell you when" No problem, Nev. "So WE will let M know when WE will start buying their stuff, again" [}:)][}:)][}:)]
		I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators. AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only. CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ... Outlaw Member of BIG JUHAN's OUTSIDER CLUB. With the most members, worldwide
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john black		#140 Posted : 30 June 2007 15:58:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by nevw <br />Now us poor native English speakers immediately thought ... Forget it, Nev - all our own fault. Perhaps if we'd paid double the pricetag ... [}:)][xx(]
		I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators. AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only. CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ... Outlaw Member of BIG JUHAN's OUTSIDER CLUB. With the most members, worldwide
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Bigdaddynz		#141 Posted : 30 June 2007 17:11:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,771 Location: New Zealand		Well said David, my thoughts exactly. When I was 10 years old (1970) most of my friends had Marklin trains. Nowadays 10 year olds in NZ would not have a clue what Marklin is. Marklin dealers are thin on the ground here, about 3 for a country of 4.1m people. Surely Marklin needs to re establish the brand outside of Europe if they are to survive.
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David Dewar		#142 Posted : 30 June 2007 19:04:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,454 Location: Scotland		As you say David few of the youngsters of today have heard of Marklin. (possibly excluding Germany) Dealers should be able to introduce the hobby to kids through open days or come and try. With support from M free catalogues and some ice cream (left over from the uncoupler saga) might just increase sales. Here in Scotland Hornby are in almost every toy shop but nobody stocks Marklin. Australia and New Zealand appear to have plenty of enthusiasts but not enough dealers. The USA which is a huge market gets below standard service and even Insiders are supplied with a DVD which will not play on their system. I would be surprised if a UK investment bank would allow this to continue. If it is one thing London are good at it is making cash and providing financial services and although this is of little interest to us a profitable Marklin will ensure the continuation of our hobby. Thanks for your comments David much appreciated. Now if only I could get my uncoupler tracks to make less of a buzz when operating !! Have fun guys David
		Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
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Bigdaddynz		#143 Posted : 01 July 2007 02:06:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,771 Location: New Zealand		Yes, most of the model shops here carry Hornby as well. Marklin is too expensive to stock, which is why most do not carry it. Many Marklin enthusiasts here buy direct from the Lokshop, eBay, or from Trademe (www.trademe.co.nz), or other German dealers. However, this does nothing to build the brand.
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pa-pauls		#144 Posted : 02 July 2007 18:24:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/06/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,843 Location: Norway		Hello all Just arrived back home after a very nice holiday in Germany I delivered my CS for the update at Märkin in Göppingen and they told me that they must have it for 4 to 6 weeks to do the update. They will then send it back to me in post but I must pay for shipping back to Norway.
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Caplin		#145 Posted : 02 July 2007 20:55:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,497 Location: Denmark		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by pa-pauls <br /> ......I delivered my CS for the update at Märkin in Göppingen and they told me that they must have it for 4 to 6 weeks to do the update. They will then send it back to me in post but I must pay for shipping back to Norway. Now that is interesting news. 4 to 6 weeks turn around time per unit is not too bad I think for such a huge task it is to recall all sold CS's. Add a week in both ends for shipment and you could have your CS back in just about 2 months. Good to hear that you had a nice holiday at the same time. Thanks for the report.
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Bob R		#146 Posted : 03 July 2007 05:49:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/09/2005(UTC) Posts: 502 Location: , Texas		Well it is July 2nd on this side of the pond. Nothing on the http://www.marklin.com website for over here. No information at all from what I can see. If it wasn't for you guys, I would not know a thing about any update! Bob R
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nevw		#147 Posted : 03 July 2007 06:51:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		EXcept for the forum we would be mushrooms. N
		NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders and a hose pipe on the aorta Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
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Caplin		#148 Posted : 03 July 2007 13:36:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,497 Location: Denmark		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bob R <br />Well it is July 2nd on this side of the pond. Nothing on the http://www.marklin.com website for over here. No information at all from what I can see. If it wasn't for you guys, I would not know a thing about any update! Bob R Hi Bob and Nev, Sorry to read this. You have probably already seen this, but anyway have a look here: http://www.maerklin.de/produkte/cs_update.php (in German only [V]). There is also a direct address where to send it if you have no dealers to do it. I will try to find it.
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Caplin		#149 Posted : 03 July 2007 13:40:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,497 Location: Denmark		Here it is: http://www.maerklin.de/s...service/fachbetriebe.php
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Sander van Wijk		#150 Posted : 03 July 2007 14:54:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,248 Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands; Göteborg, Sverige,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by nevw <br />Our Local dealer has made the odd 3 to 4 Phone calls and gets the Standard answer " We will let you know when we will begin." "NO we cannot tell you when" And that, dear reader, is pretty much what my dealer is being told. Doesn't Marklin care for its customers at the far ends of the earth? [Dealermode] Up to now, I (as a Dutch Märklin seller) haven't heard anything official about a start of the update process either. Just be patient, and wait, we'll see when the whole circus will be up and running. Until then, I register all incoming Central Stations FIFO (including Gert-Jan's CS) and ship them as soon as Keuterman (a.k.a. Dutch Märklin Service center) is able to do anything with them. That's all that can be done by a dealer up to now. [/Dealermode]
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