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trainbuff
#51
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10 December 2006 04:45:44(UTC)
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Quick update: My dealer spoke his Marklin representative who thought the magnet may be too strong. Dealer ordered another magnet and will swap them out. In the mean time I ordered two telex coupler parts (the lever that uncouples) to use in making a bi-material coupler. I will post results...
- Later everybody.
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Welcome to the forum both trainbuff and cgarlati.
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15 December 2006 01:12:07(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:
Originally posted by hxmiesa
<br />The silence of Lutz Hemmerich is thunderous! ;-)
Hello,
even Lutz knows this problem.The trouble is really caused by the magnetic field of the motor. About twenty years ago Maerklin produced the 86 for 2Rail-DC with a permanent magnet. No problem at all as there was no Telex (:-)
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22 December 2006 20:41:24(UTC)
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Well just got my Ma 29533 after being posted on Nov 28!! It was a year in coming, but it came. Then I looked it over and wrapped it up for Christmas. So you see my grandson will finally have it this year.
Then I remembered, how do you set it up? I never looked at any of the stuff in the box, just how nice the engine and cars looked. Of course I checked to see if it was a 120v system, sorta looled like what I have in the house. Hope so anyways,
Does anyone know if the telex problem is solvable, and what the address is of this lok?.
Merry Christmas to all.
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23 December 2006 03:01:10(UTC)
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As far as I remember, the BR86 included in the starter set is automatically detected, no need to set the adrdess.
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27 December 2006 07:49:23(UTC)
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The loco is not automatically detected because the decoder is not mfx. You need to pull the BR 86 profile from the mobile station database - see the documentation that comes with the starter set. BTW, I replaced the original decoder with a new ESU Loksound mfx and yes, the loco and all its functions are now detected automatically. The problem with the rear telex remains. This is definitely a design/production issue and CANNOT be fixed with tape or similar. The permanent magnet of the motor is too strong and the magnetic fields it generates "flows" through the rod of the decoupler making it stick to the loop of the car coupler. The rod goes up and down but the train does not separate from the loco. Have you contacted your dealer?
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29 December 2006 03:40:57(UTC)
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Still waiting for the parts to modify the coupler. In the mean time I have a little switch yard (modified time saver) for my BR 86.
The magnetism is really pretty minor. A small touch to wagon and its uncoupled. I wish some smaller steam engines had telex. BR 86 seems large in a switching yard. I've noticed some older smaller steam engines, like BR 81, have had telex.
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17 January 2007 22:09:10(UTC)
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Nice Pics and yard you have there Trainbuff, I guess there is a bit of work ahead for me.
Sure would like to hear from Lutz on the Br86 set. I would like to have one of these sets for myself, but with this problem, I can wait. Maybe a small croc will take its place.
By the way, why no telex for the small croc's.
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12 March 2007 03:05:00(UTC)
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Hi everybody.
I got some telex parts to experiment with. This post should be labeled "How Not to fix telex". I tried to replace the end of the telex part with epoxy since it would not carry magnetism.
I coated the telex part with shoe wax, put it in clay and coated it with epoxy to make a mold:
Here is the telex part before I cut the end off and the finished mold of it:
I cut off the end of the telex part and cleaned the wax off of it. I coated the mold with wax and then filled it with epoxy. The I put the telex cut telex part into the epoxy. Here is cut telex part out of the mold. You can see where I cut the end off:
I started to grind away the epoxy. I painted the parts not to remove black. I'm almost there!
It broke while griding!
Lessons learned: for very small parts epoxy is too brittle. Also it is very hard to shape small parts. Maybe I should have shaped the parts while the epoxy was soft and not let it cure to full hardness and then grind it. I thought this would be easier than it was. I'm through with this approach.
I am now looking for some aluminum to attach to the end of the telex part. I think I will glue it on. Suggestions welcome.
[speculation mode on] I noticed in my other steam locomotive that the magnet is in front of the motor. In the br 86 it is in back of the motor and directly above the telex parts. If one could switch the position of the magnet it may solve this problem by moving the strongest part of the magnet further from the telex parts. If this would work it would be an easy fix for M to implement in future production. [speculation mode off]
Later everybody.
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18 March 2007 02:10:44(UTC)
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One last post.
I think the solution Fred posted in "BR86 Telex: Another solution" is best, but I don't have the right kind of magnet and already had the material ready to try this. It works perfectly now.
I bent and rough cut some aluminum and glued it to the telex shank.
fitting the parts, file, fit, file, fit, then paint:
Installed:
When I ordered the telex parts, I also ordered the ladder and eyelets that are missing on the starter set. Add a little paint. I saw these fixes on a German web page.
Well, I've learned a ton on these web pages and I really enjoyed being able to give some back. -Thanks.
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18 March 2007 08:46:42(UTC)
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Great art!
Definitely the best solution for those who are skilled, like you.
Congratulations
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18 March 2007 14:09:41(UTC)
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Thanks, trainbuff!
Great work.
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19 March 2007 13:15:14(UTC)
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Excellent work!
Thanks for the tips.
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27 November 2007 06:56:36(UTC)
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I finally received a formal reply from Marklin regarding the telex issue - 10 months after my inquiry.
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Dear Mr. Garlati,
we would like to thank you for your email from 09.12.06 and your interest in our company.
Kindly excuse that we are getting back it only now.
The magnetization at the rear Telex clutch cannot be prevented.The magnetization arises from the motor magnets in the back of the locomotive.
Please do not hesitate to contact us if you have any further question.
Kind regards
Your Märklin Service Center
Gebr. Märklin & Cie. GmbH
Stuttgarter Straße 55 – 57
D 73033 Göppingen
Telefon +49 7161 608-222
Telefax +49 7161 608-173
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My comments:
1) 10 months to get back to a customer inquiry? Is this the premium service that you would expect from a premium brand?
2) As a valued customer I would expect either the replacement of the admittedly defective part or some sort of compensation - none is offered.
3) Marklin is aware of the defective design but keeps selling the very same loco as part of a starter set and as a stand alone item - as a customer, how do you judge this kind of behavior?
4) The thread above shows a simple though effective technical solution. Just use a diamagnetic metal for the rod. Where is the Marklin engineering excellence here?
5) As a result, I just bought three new locos. Great products. Very detailed. Absolutely silent. Run very very smoothly. None of them is a Marklin.
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27 November 2007 13:05:27(UTC)
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I am afraid this shows a complete lack of customer care. I note there is not even a signature to the email. To admit to selling gooods that dont work ???
Must soon be time for me to get in touch with Kingsbridge. I still have a couple of contacts there and see if they are thinking of changing Marklin management. One problem will be that although they can sort out the profitabilty they are not model rail folk and may well not understand that it is not just kids that buy there stuff but people like us who spend a lot of cash with them.
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27 November 2007 13:16:52(UTC)
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And the fix should be cheap and fast to implement.
All Marklin has to do is make a bimetal anchor. No big engineering task if I can do it.
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27 November 2007 23:25:24(UTC)
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<br />Must soon be time for me to get in touch with Kingsbridge. I still have a couple
of contacts there and see if they are thinking of changing Marklin management.
Very good, David !!! Please do it - for the sake of all of us
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28 November 2007 00:07:48(UTC)
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So the magnetization issue is not a bug but a feature!
To upgrade your feature please contact trainbuff, but act fast before the post-Christmas rush from openned presents.
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<br />I they are not model rail folk and may well not understand that it is not just kids that buy there stuff but people like us
who spend a lot of cash with them.
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28 November 2007 01:52:28(UTC)
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The same feature, but a little bit weaker, can also be found on Br 85 (3709) with high efficiency motor and Telex.
Same story, very short distance from the motor magnet to the uncoupler rod.
I feel the same in my 3309 rebuilt with a 60901 conversion set.
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28 November 2007 02:20:25(UTC)
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My upgraded Br 81 (30321) has the feature also, but its very weak and not a problem at all. However the Br 86 could pull a small string of cars with its magnet!
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