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Offline MarioFabro  
#1 Posted : 02 March 2007 18:07:46(UTC)
MarioFabro

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Location: Pittsburgh,
I would like to set up functions in cars such as:
- direction dependant lights on cab control cars
- internal lighting on/off
I would like to do this both on Marklin and non marklin (I have a Fleishmann cab-control car for the SBB Zurich Nahverkher).
So I should equip myself with
- pick up shoes (believe 73406 is what Marklin suggests for some, have also 7021)
- lighting kits (will check which ones apply to the different models)
- current conducting couplers (do those 72020 work well? I am thinking of using a few to power some Roco Italian DC locomotives where I do not have space for the pick-up shoe .. put the shoe on the first car and run a wire through two CC couplers should work).
- and.. my question here is about the decoder. I have found two in Marklin programme: 60960 and 60961

Can you help me?
- differences between the two.. which is more recommended for my use
- any other decoder maker compatible with my system
- interferences with CS (I found another thread talking about this
https://www.marklin-user...3&SearchTerms=60960)
- other itmes to consider. I found also this thread https://www.marklin-user...38&SearchTerms=60960 dealing with different current conducting couplers etc.

I guess however that switching lights on and off going through the decoder may exceed the power allowed unless you use the new LED type lights. Am I correct in my understanding?

In one of the threads there is mention of using the loco decoder and connect it thourgh current conducting arms to the cars for their functions (lights, marker lights etc.). I am somewhat reluctant to do this, maybe it's better to dedicate a decoder in a car and separate pick-up shoe. After all, I just want maybe two-three trains lighted, that's all.

Thanks for your help guys.
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Offline pa-pauls  
#2 Posted : 02 March 2007 18:27:25(UTC)
pa-pauls


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Hi Mario

The main difference is that 60961 has direction dependant output the 60960 has not,,,

I do know that Uhlenbrock make function decoders for Märklin motorola protocol,,,
I believe that also other make such decoders,,,

The first reviews about the 72020 couplers is that they work,,,

Switching a lot of lights will blow the decoder (60961 f.ex) but use a rele' and problem solved,,,

Pål Paulsen
Märklin Spur 1 Digital, epoche 3
Offline MarioFabro  
#3 Posted : 02 March 2007 19:30:49(UTC)
MarioFabro

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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by pa-pauls
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Switching a lot of lights will blow the decoder (60961 f.ex) but use a rele' and problem solved,,,


Pal, any suggestion about the type? I guess I could buy it on-line here in the States..but I am an electronic beginner..thanks
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Offline MärCo  
#4 Posted : 02 March 2007 21:44:07(UTC)
MärCo


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Turning a red tail light on and off can be done by rebuilding a 66032 decoder.

https://www.marklin-user...59&SearchTerms=66045
Absolutly AFB-NOHAB fan ;-)
Offline Sander van Wijk  
#5 Posted : 03 March 2007 00:02:44(UTC)
Sander van Wijk

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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by pa-pauls
<br />I do know that Uhlenbrock make function decoders for Märklin motorola protocol,,,
I believe that also other make such decoders,,,



Uhlenbrock has a nice (and cheap, about 20 euros) Motorola decoder to control functions. Art.no. 76 900. My personal favourite actually for its price, size and features.
Sander
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Offline JT42CWRDriver  
#6 Posted : 03 March 2007 11:06:18(UTC)
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Location: Newton Abbot, Devon. UK.
Quote:
Originally posted by MarioFabro
<br />I would like to set up functions in cars such as:
- direction dependant lights on cab control cars
- internal lighting on/off
I would like to do this both on Marklin and non marklin (I have a Fleishmann cab-control car for the SBB Zurich Nahverkher).
So I should equip myself with
- pick up shoes (believe 73406 is what Marklin suggests for some, have also 7021)

Fleischmann do pick up shoes for Double Deck coaches under the number 1457.
Viessmann do LED lighting kits for coaches No.s 5046,5047,& 5049.

Cheers,

Peter.
3 Rail/2 Rail Märklin, Fleischmann, Roco. DCC.
Offline David Dewar  
#7 Posted : 03 March 2007 17:30:34(UTC)
David Dewar

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Sander. I see Uhlenbrock also have a 73900 decoder which is smaller and although now as powerful perhaps enough to light three coaches. More expensive but has a short circuit protector. Would this not be better than the 76900?

David
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
Offline Sander van Wijk  
#8 Posted : 03 March 2007 18:49:19(UTC)
Sander van Wijk

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Hi David,

I personally think it's a matter of personal taste. I don't mind the lack of a short circuit protector, I always check the wiring on shorts before trying anything. But I don't have personal experience on the 73900, maybe these are just as good or better...
Sander
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Offline Lars Westerlind  
#9 Posted : 03 March 2007 19:23:58(UTC)
Lars Westerlind


Joined: 19/10/2001(UTC)
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Location: Lindome, Sweden
One particular issue: if you want to digitalize Märklin Cab conntrol cars, there is a problem: the diodes have commont cathode, which makes both Märklin and Uhlenbrock decoders hard to use. In fact I don't know any Motorola capable decoder you can use without extra electronics.

But if you have a multiprotocol central (Motorola+DCC) I sincerely recommed Lenz LF100XF or LF101XF; it has a very smart feature of beeing prepared for 2R cab control cars, and also allows for controlling the Märklin cars with just a few extra diodes.

Cheers,
Lars
Offline MarioFabro  
#10 Posted : 03 March 2007 20:43:12(UTC)
MarioFabro

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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Lars Westerlind
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But if you have a multiprotocol central (Motorola+DCC) I sincerely recommed Lenz LF100XF or LF101XF; it has a very smart feature of beeing prepared for 2R cab control cars, and also allows for controlling the Märklin cars with just a few extra diodes.


Guys, does this mean I have to solder more components than only dthe decoder? I would appreciate your help (maybe direct me to other parts of this vast forum where this things are explained):
- how do I connect a relay to turn car lights on/off and what kind of relay (I try to buy online)?
- how do I connect the diodes as Lars suggested?
Maybe a short schematic will help.. sorry I am a newby.
Mario
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Offline Lars Westerlind  
#11 Posted : 19 April 2007 19:57:18(UTC)
Lars Westerlind


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Location: Lindome, Sweden
Hello Mario,
you also asked offline some questions.

First you have to tell
- Is DCC an option for you? If you run Intellibox, Daisy or ECoS it is, if 6021, CS, Mobstat it isn't, and Lenz could be ignored.
- What cab control car do we speak about? Or merely, does it have LEDs that shift in colour (yello-red) when direction changes, or are there distinct red leds, and white/yellow ones? My "Silberlinge" are of the former type, where I recommended Lenz.

And, about diodes. Not difficult, you should only have diodes that can take some (but not much) power; others may correct me but I would guess any that is intended for rectifieing. The switch speed doesn't matter.

Releays should be mono stable,
be light driven, so that the decoder could handle them, and usually should have a "protection diode", that is, a diode is connected in parallel with the relay, and direction so that current may flow from the commont function wire to the specific f1, f2 or whatever.

Regards,
Lars
Offline MarioFabro  
#12 Posted : 20 April 2007 04:08:24(UTC)
MarioFabro

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Location: Pittsburgh,
Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Lars Westerlind
<br />
First you have to tell
- Is DCC an option for you? If you run Intellibox, Daisy or ECoS it is, if 6021, CS, Mobstat it isn't, and Lenz could be ignored.
- What cab control car do we speak about? Or merely, does it have LEDs that shift in colour (yello-red) when direction changes, or are there distinct red leds, and white/yellow ones? My "Silberlinge" are of the former type, where I recommended Lenz.


Lars,

Thanks for the reply. I just bought a starter set with the CS so... I don't think I will go intellibox anytime soon. My hobby has yet to develop (all the stuff is still in boxes) so I will enjoy being pure M* for a little while. The first car I would like to transform is a Fleishmann cab-control car for the SBB commuter train (#65132). It is DC (I bought it before realizing that they also made an AC version) so I will need pick-up shoe etc. I would like to put in a small function decoder, direction dependent, with the same address as the loco so that I can switch front (loco) and tail lights at the same time. Since I have pick-up and decoder, I would like to connect one F of it (maybe F4) to the car lighting. This would be a plan. Any suggestions?
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