Yes,thank you very much Guus.

yep, you're right. I did not look it up before posting, though I should have done so[:I].

Thomas

Hi all

Somewhere in the deep of my brain, I think I remember hearing/reading that the maximum driving wheel speed of those old steamers was 7,5 revolutions per second (450 rpm).

Do I remember correctly?
This means that small wheels gives a low speed and high torque, big wheels a high speed but a low torque.
Was the piston stroke in general the same, thus also the distance from the wheel centre to the connecting rod the same?

The drivers on 18 201 are also 2300mm.

Very nice model,thanks for sharing the pictures Hemmerich.

There seems to be a lot of euphoria over the choice in 2007 of a steamer as the Insider model and the BR 05 in particular. I wonder if people on this site can help me better understand this reaction. I have a number of Marklin HO steam locomotives including the BR 50, 18.6 (Rheingold and not), 98.3, DX II, several others and even fell for the Carl Bellingrodt 96 last year (with all the "advanced features" I learned were no more than I had on my BR 50). However, when I compare say the BR 03 (37953) from last year to the BR 05 (39050), the 05 is about an inch longer, the history and details are different, one less axle, etc., but I just don't see enough difference to warrant me getting that excited over another DB Era III digital black locomotive from Marklin. And, I could page through Marklin presentation books and find countless other models that really aren't that much different from either of these. Is it that you have direct familiarity with these prototypes when you were growing up and hence the affinity? Is it a matter of collecting them all regardless of how similar they look to someone like me? I can see plenty of difference between say my VT 11.5 and 8.5, but differences in DB or other German steamers is elusive and maybe I'll never understand. What is special about the 2007 Insider 05 that I should look at it again? What am I not appreciating? Thanks.

Funny. My wife says the same thing...
The trains were like this, thats why the models are like that also.
Would you prefer them pink???

Do you know the difference between a BR44 and a BR50? -they look absolutly the same! ;-) (hint; they are absolutly different!)
(I would have said BR43, but I think M. did not make a BR43 yet?)

Do you know the diference between the "standard" BR50 and the thousands of the BR52?
I find history very fascinating.

Er, Larry, what's your point? I've read your post twice to see if I got your meaning, but I still don't get it...

I think it's very clear that each person buys what they like, period.

If you prefer very different stuff, why won't you buy, one each, and all from Märklin:

- Alpha complete set;

- Thomas the Tank;

- Harry Potter set;

- The Famous Pink Fat Pig locomotive.



Happy buying!

Luís

I dont know what you consider factual statements, but for your info the wheel diameter of the BR05 was 2.3m. (if anybody cares, I dont. At the most I would care that M. did as faithful a reproduction as possible of said wheels...)
Although the BR05 is called biggest and fastest, only 3 were built. The 05-003 that Märklin now sells was even made to run cab-forward, although that was changed eventually.
Hardly an emblematic locomotive...
All this info can easyly be found in the M. newsprospect, which is readily available online. -In english if you want...

As to the BR96 Bellingrodt; I dont know what you wrote in your article, which was related to era III, but the M version is definatly era II!

I think there are lots of english litterature availble about the history of german steam locomotives. -No need to worry about language-skills.

I´m happy for you that you have money to spend on an object you dont appreciate. I cant imagine what logic made you arrive at that decision???

Here's some more info to help you decide on future purchasing:



It's definitely not a black steamer with red chassis.....

Gee, thanks, Luis for your great help. Definitely a non-German steamer pig since the wheels are not painted red. If I wanted a pig or something similar like miltary, space, Disney, Coca-Cola, Coors, NASCAR or Bush chasing Hussein around I could go to Lionel and MTH. So you build any scale pig aircraft that fly?

Damon - The museum in Ipswich looks very interesting and high quality. Wish the website had more pics of the exhibits. Given how vast and diverse your country is I'd think railroading in Australia would be fascinating.

You make a good point especially as the percent of Marklin sold to non-German customers increases and the population and demographics of customers will change considerably (those knowing the difference between a BR50 and BR52). It may make sense to seek other markets and hence work on greater appeal to customers outside of Germany.

As you know, Australia has some very interesting locomotives on famous routes covering land unlike any in the rest of the world. To have Marklin go beyond Europe and the USA with models using their technology and organizational capabilities might be profitable. I'd sure like to see them model trains from Australia, Russia, South Africa and China, for example. (I'm not real interested in more USA models since I can get those here in HO and other gauges in far greater supply. Plus it looks kinda weird when my Union Pacific and Santa Fe diesels ride past a Swiss village or stop at the Bonn station.) Maybe I'm missing the business case here for Marklin and they do have the tooling and molds to make German steam forever be it BR50, 52, 89, 96 etc.

Oh, and by the way, I can't do much other than chill here since we have tons of snow, ice and cold temperatures! Nothing like in Queensland I'm sure.

Hello All,

The price for the Insider 39050 is $655.00.
This is ,what my order form for the Insider Club says.
Maerklin needs the order by May.

From the sunny CA,

Rainer

That nails down to a conversion rate of 1.64!!!

Or, in other words, taking a current average rate of 1.3 the "US-markup" is about 137$. No wonder why Lokshop, etc. ...

I have done that with my 39573, when I had an Insider membership with Gaugemaster and it worked fine.

Luís