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Offline H0  
#1 Posted : 15 December 2006 01:27:14(UTC)
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The tests have been controlled with an Intellibox (MM2 protocol). Locos should show the same behaviour if controlled with a CU6021.
Speed was measured with the PC freeware PaTacho (available at http://www.h0-freun.de/).

The 6090x decoder has 27 speed steps.
With 5 pole high-efficiency propulsion you get a linear speed curve (6090x HLA, yellow triangles).
With c-sine motor, the curve is slightly bent (6090x CS, cyan crosses).

The new Hobby locos (here 36858, class 185) have a linear speed curve, but only 14 speed steps (violett crosses).
The mfx sound decoder with high-efficiency propulsion uses 14 speed steps with MM2 protocol; the speed curve (red triangles) is bent more than the C-Sine speed curve.
And finally a mfx sound decoder with the new compact C-Sine motor. The speed curve (blue diamonds) shows a sharp curve. Speed steps 11 through 14 result in 54%, 67%, 88%, and 100% of maximum speed respectively.

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Loco speeds (x axis) are scaled to 100% (maximum speed).
Y axis shows the speed steps of the MM2 protocol (1 through 14); intermediate speed steps of 6090x are shown as 1.5, 2.5, &c.

I like the speed characteristics of the 6090x decoders; I make use of the 27 speed steps especially in the low speed range.
The speed characteristics of the new hobby locos are very similar to the older 6090 decoders (14 speed steps, not shown on chart).
The speed curve of mfx HEP locos is OK, but I'd prefer a rather linear speed curve.
The speed curve of mfx with new compact C-Sine is a shame: speed step 11 of 14 (that's 190 of 250 on a CU6021) reaches more than 50%.

These are the factory default speed curves.
With a CS the speed curves of mfx decoders can be adjusted; I wonder if the compact C-Sine can be set to a linear speed curve.
I won't be able to test this in the near future.
Regards
Tom
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Offline laalves  
#2 Posted : 15 December 2006 02:50:04(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by h-zero
<br />I wonder if the compact C-Sine can be set to a linear speed curve.
I won't be able to test this in the near future.


Fantastic and highly intereesting work! Thank you for sharing this!.

As to your question, out of the hat, yes, since that's one option of the CS decoder configuration menu BUT I have no way to measure and verify that indeed it is linear....

No accurate way of doing these tests without computer control I guess. Which means that there's no current accurate way of measuring mfx decoders characteristic curve.

Luis
Offline intruder  
#3 Posted : 15 December 2006 10:16:27(UTC)
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Thank you, Thomas!

Very interesting table.
Best regards Svein, Norway
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Offline DaleSchultz  
#4 Posted : 15 December 2006 17:39:36(UTC)
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nice. Were these speeds measured 'under load' i.e. actully moving along track between detection points or on a treadmill?

I measure my speeds by running the train between s88 detection points.
Graphs can be seen at
http://layout.mixmox.com...stalling_digital_decoder (right at end)
and
http://layout.mixmox.com/1/ICE_speed
Dale
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Offline H0  
#5 Posted : 15 December 2006 18:16:23(UTC)
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Hi, Dale!

Tests were made on the track using two C track curcuit tracks.
Locos were running single, the VT 98 was running with VB and VS.
Eventually I will test if my ICE3 makes use of the intermediate speed steps (but I'm pretty sure it uses them).

BTW: your second link doesn't work (brackets are excluded from URL)
@all: to see the page, add "(37783)" in the browser URL field.
Regards
Tom
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Offline steventrain  
#6 Posted : 15 December 2006 19:10:09(UTC)
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Very good ,thanks for sharing the table.
Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
Offline al_pignolo  
#7 Posted : 16 December 2006 11:14:04(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by h-zero
Speed was measured with the PC freeware PaTacho (available at http://www.h0-freun.de/).




Thank you for this great link! I'll surely try this!

Pietro
Offline DaleSchultz  
#8 Posted : 16 December 2006 17:40:24(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by h-zero
<br />BTW: your second link doesn't work (brackets are excluded from URL)

thanks, I changed the URL of that page to make it friendlier..
Dale
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Offline H0  
#9 Posted : 16 December 2006 22:12:10(UTC)
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Here is the speed characteristic for my ICE 3 (37781):
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Intermediate steps work fine; I just don't know why #14 is not on the line.
Regards
Tom
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