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Offline Hemmerich  
#1 Posted : 09 November 2006 11:24:29(UTC)
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will be the BR05 003 in early Ep.III (around 1950).

So, not all of the "preannouncement" was a hoax - but the description still contained several "funnies", as I mentionend already before. wink

Insider car will be a 4-axle tank car.

Scale I will be a model of the BR96 - THAT's realllly great!!!
Offline steventrain  
#2 Posted : 09 November 2006 11:28:53(UTC)
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Thanks for the news Lutz,I am very pleasure with the steam loco.
Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
Offline laalves  
#3 Posted : 09 November 2006 11:59:27(UTC)
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Yeah, in Stummi it's mentioned the BR05 to be a wind-deflectorless version. Is it true? It looks pretty weird.

Luis
Offline Tony  
#4 Posted : 09 November 2006 12:26:51(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich
<br />........ tank car.

Scale I will be a model of the BR96 - THAT's realllly great!!!



[:0][:0] that will be great indeed [:p][:p]- better start saving again as it will be a pricey item. But a must have!!Smile
Regards Tony
Offline Timaximus  
#5 Posted : 09 November 2006 12:47:59(UTC)
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Hello Lutz,

I think you are a real INSIDER.

Timaximus
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Offline foumaro  
#6 Posted : 09 November 2006 14:29:57(UTC)
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Any photo's please?
Offline Frostie  
#7 Posted : 09 November 2006 15:41:11(UTC)
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Wow ! And i was hoping for another REAL steamer. IMHO the last REAL insider steamer was the BR45.
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Offline Davy  
#8 Posted : 09 November 2006 17:43:13(UTC)
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For a picture see below:

UserPostedImage
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Offline jerdenberg  
#9 Posted : 09 November 2006 20:51:54(UTC)
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Hi Davy (and others),

I just noted that pictures on Stummi show up only when one has logged in (I had not, and I started wondering if I had gone crazy when I saw references to photos but no photos).

Jeroen
Figomima division, UP; mostly figment of my imagination yet.
Offline Hemmerich  
#10 Posted : 10 November 2006 00:22:08(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by laalves
<br />Yeah, in Stummi it's mentioned the BR05 to be a wind-deflectorless version. Is it true? It looks pretty weird.

Luis

Luis,

don't get confused by fakes (or people who tend to post them). Cool
Offline laalves  
#11 Posted : 10 November 2006 01:38:46(UTC)
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What an impressive beast, what a set of huge wheels! I'm gonna get me one!

Luís
Offline Frostie  
#12 Posted : 10 November 2006 01:48:16(UTC)
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I am comparing my Streamline Br05 to my Naked 01. The BR05 does look a bit longer and has impressive driving wheel size. The Naked BR05 driving wheels almost look as big as my S 2/6 from Brawa.


This is going to be a popular model.

I have to be honest, when I think of model railroading, I think of these big steamers.
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Offline hxmiesa  
#13 Posted : 10 November 2006 09:59:03(UTC)
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Is it just me, or does anybody else feel that the hoax Liliput model looks more beautiful and interesting. (it´s subjective of course, but I like the kesselrings, and the trailing '2 bogie looks more curious.)

Maybe after the Insider´s have burned their money on the this one, all us other mortals can get a "regular" catalog model of the BR05 with these aforementioned details added? (ROFL)

:-)
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Offline Guus  
#14 Posted : 10 November 2006 13:37:16(UTC)
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Hi all,

Is there any news yet on what type of propulsion has been installed?

Kind regards
Guus
Kind regards,
Guus
Offline laalves  
#15 Posted : 10 November 2006 13:45:30(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Guus
<br />Hi all,

Is there any news yet on what type of propulsion has been installed?

Kind regards
Guus


Comnpact c-sine.

Luis
Offline Sander van Wijk  
#16 Posted : 10 November 2006 14:10:51(UTC)
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Some more technical details (unfortunately only in German):

Vorbild: Schnellzuglokomotive Baureihe 05 der Deutschen Bundesbahn (DB). Betriebszustand der 05 003 ab 1950 ohne Stromlinienverkleidung..
Modell: Mit Digital-Dekoder mfx, geregeltem Hochleistungsantrieb C-Sinus und Geräuschgenerator mit vielen Funktionen. Wartungsfreier Motor in kompakter Bauform im Stehkessel. 3 Achsen angetrieben, 2 Haftreifen. Beleuchtung mit wartungsfreien Leuchtdioden. Spitzensignal konventionell in Betrieb, digital schaltbar. Rauchsatz 7226 nachrüstbar. Rauchsatzkontakt, Dampflok-Fahrgeräusch, Lokpfiff sowie Anfahrbeschleunigung und Bremsverzögerung mit Control Unit oder Systems schaltbar. Flackerlicht in der Feuerbüchse, Geräusche von Luftpumpe und Bremsen sowie Rangierpfiff mit Märklin Systems schaltbar, weitere Sound-Funktionen mit Central Station schaltbar. Tender aus Metall. Feste Kurzkupplung zwischen Lok und Tender. hinten MEM-Aufnahme für Kurzkupplung. Befahrbarer Mindestradius 360 mm. Ansteckbare kolbenschutzrohre. Länge über Puffer 30,7 cm.

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Offline Guus  
#17 Posted : 10 November 2006 15:55:38(UTC)
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Thank you Luis and thank you Sander.
Deutsch ist kein Problem,das ist zu sagen beim Lesen nicht Smile

Kind regards
Guus
Kind regards,
Guus
Offline Hemmerich  
#18 Posted : 10 November 2006 17:11:44(UTC)
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If you ever wanted to know the difference between a hoax and the "true" Märklin/TRIX models, just enjoy the following two pics (which you might see more detailed pretty soon in various advertisements and other News publications).

UserPostedImage

I think the following one is especially very attractive!

UserPostedImage

Note: These pictures are owned by Märklin/TRIX. Their publication has been granted.

BTW: Wheel size of the BR05 is/was 2300mm; S2/6 had "only" 2200mm.

The C-Sine motor/drive mechanism will be similar to the new BR01.

Offline rschaffr  
#19 Posted : 10 November 2006 17:44:58(UTC)
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Thanks, Lutz. Any idea what the Insider offering price will be?
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Offline verheyen  
#20 Posted : 10 November 2006 18:16:36(UTC)
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And you violated their copyright why? Tsk, tsk... Stealing from mother.

Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich
<br />
Note: These pictures are owned by Märklin/TRIX.
Offline Guus  
#21 Posted : 10 November 2006 18:18:57(UTC)
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Thanks Lutz,

Nice pictures [:p]
Purely speculation,but my bet on the price is: Euro 479.-

Guus
Kind regards,
Guus
Offline intruder  
#22 Posted : 10 November 2006 18:49:25(UTC)
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I want one! [:p][:p][:p]

Fantastic steamer. Thanks for the photos.
Best regards Svein, Norway
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Offline Davy  
#23 Posted : 10 November 2006 19:12:58(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by rschaffr
<br />Thanks, Lutz. Any idea what the Insider offering price will be?


From a German forum. They got the answer from Marklin employers that the price will be 399 euro.
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Offline laalves  
#24 Posted : 10 November 2006 20:49:23(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Davy
<br />
From a German forum. They got the answer from Marklin employers that the price will be 399 euro.


What I read in stummi was that the employee said "under 400€".

Considering the new BR01 which can be had for about 300€ and shares the same technical characteristics and, apparently, the same detail level, 399€ is on the steep side.

Still, I will get one. I will most likely make it my only lok purchase for 2007. The rest is going for track, signals and stuff. Just the shadow station I'm working on will reach about 700€ [V]

BUT: I gambled 20€ on Euromillions today biggrin!

Luís
Offline rschaffr  
#25 Posted : 10 November 2006 21:37:40(UTC)
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Luis: Should have put the 20€ into trains. [:P]

I'll probably buy one also. I am still a little disturbed about the Insider models, though. I know that Marklin can't control an individual selling theirs after they receive it, but it does bother me to see Marklin dealers offering them for general sale. Exclusive should be exclusive.
-Ron
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Offline jeehring  
#26 Posted : 11 November 2006 00:05:22(UTC)
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Thank you very much Lutz!

Great,great news !
I already have the streamline BR 05 I surely buy the era 3 version, I like those big steamers so much!
I'm sure, one day Marklin will make the Cab-forward BR 05 !
Offline alonso231gery  
#27 Posted : 11 November 2006 00:09:47(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Exclusive should be exclusive.

Well i do not agree Ron,nice locos should be available to all.
An outsider.
I'm looking for the owner of that horse. He's tall, blonde, he smokes a cigar, and he's a pig!
Offline rschaffr  
#28 Posted : 11 November 2006 03:18:20(UTC)
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Access to exclusive models is supposed to be one of the benefits we pay for when we join the insider club. They ARE available to everyone..all you have to do is join.
-Ron
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Offline hxmiesa  
#29 Posted : 11 November 2006 10:29:05(UTC)
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What is the purpose of (any) "Insider" style club?

Milking more money out of the aficionados, cashing in on their great affection for the models, their desire for feeling closer to the brand. Their wish of feeling united as a group (That they are not alone). To feel special among other aficionados? ;-)
It serves several functions, among others also to build the brand awareness and exclusivity.

One of the ways to lure people into the club is using special and exclusive offers. The annual insider model being the most important of them. When these offers cease to be exclusive the incentive to join the club kind of disappears. In the case with the insider models of the last years, this has been abused by the mark itself; low quality and overproduced in numbers. -practically removing any incentative to join the club.

It would be logical if Märklin seeks to regain this exclusive feel again, for it´s insiders. -Otherwise, why even bother with the whole club-thing?
I´m sorry aloso231gery; I think you will find it harder to get the next Insider model, and it´ll even cost you more! :-(
For the Insiders; They´ll continue to get their models. It will be even more expensive, but they wont care because it will be equally more exclusive! ;-) (They wont care as long as the quality reflects its price, of course!)
As for me; I dont care, as long as the Insiders pays for their own exclusivity. I wouldnt like to be buying standard catalog items (the only stuff I ever buy) financing OTHERS exclusivity! To me, my train-set is already suffienctly exclusive...
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Offline Brändlein  
#30 Posted : 11 November 2006 11:52:42(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Frostie
<br />I am comparing my Streamline Br05 to my Naked 01. The BR05 does look a bit longer and has impressive driving wheel size. The Naked BR05 driving wheels almost look as big as my S 2/6 from Brawa.


Both the BR 05 and the S 2/6 have the same size of driving wheels: 2.30 meters. There are no bigger wheels on steamers in Germany.
Offline Steven86  
#31 Posted : 11 November 2006 12:48:54(UTC)
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A steamer at last [:p][:p][:p]. And one in epoche III as well Smile. This year I will order the insider model (if price is not above 400 wink).


Offline pa-pauls  
#32 Posted : 11 November 2006 14:09:58(UTC)
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Nice loco,,,

It will be ordered for sure,,,
Pål Paulsen
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Offline Guus  
#33 Posted : 11 November 2006 14:24:36(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: They got the answer from Marklin employers that the price will be 399 euro.

Considering the price of the previous BR05 (€ 459.-)that would be very nice.

Maybe a sign they've got a tighter control on their production costs nowadays.

Guus
Kind regards,
Guus
Offline Gert-Jan  
#34 Posted : 11 November 2006 21:31:20(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Guus
<br />
Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: They got the answer from Marklin employers that the price will be 399 euro.

Considering the price of the previous BR05 (€ 459.-)that would be very nice.

Maybe a sign they've got a tighter control on their production costs nowadays.

Guus


I'm falling in love... but 399 euro, sigh....Are we getting used on Euro's and not multiplying by 2,1 any more? [B)]

Unfortunatly, my French based company has a good grip on 'tighter control on their production costs nowadays' too [xx(].

Mosty era III DB.
Offline Guus  
#35 Posted : 11 November 2006 23:14:21(UTC)
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Hi Gert-Jan,

I fully agree with you,it's still a large amount of money.
There must be some kind of "inflation" effect of the Euro,if you ask me.

Guus
Kind regards,
Guus
Offline Hemmerich  
#36 Posted : 12 November 2006 05:44:20(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Brändlein
and the S 2/6 have the same size of driving wheels: 2.30 meters.


Thomas,

can you please specify the source if this information. To all of my best knowledge the S2/6 was equipped with 2200mm wheels; that's at least stated in all my available references. Obermayer states this too.

See also here: http://www.alba-verlag.de/kalen...lender_2006/lok0612.html
Offline Hemmerich  
#37 Posted : 12 November 2006 05:46:55(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Guus
<br />Hi Gert-Jan,

I fully agree with you,it's still a large amount of money.
There must be some kind of "inflation" effect of the Euro,if you ask me.

Guus

I wonder a little bit about this price discussion. Have you already forgotten the price of the BR45 Insider model? wink
Offline Guus  
#38 Posted : 12 November 2006 12:26:17(UTC)
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Hi Lutz,

Reading my post again I realise I might not have been very clear.

I think I'm speaking on behalf of most of us when I say a that a lower price than was previously charged for a premium Insider loc is most welcome.
If the speculated price for the new BR05 is indeed less than €400.- the loc would in fact have a lower price than the BR45 or the former BR05.

However I believe €400.- is still a sizeable amount of money in spite of the fact that such a nice new loco may be well worth it.
And maybe the psychological effect of the lower figure,-€400.- sounds less than DM 800.-,makes us all think it's not that expensive.

Just my two pennies worth of thoughts on pricing policy wink

Kind regards
Guus
Kind regards,
Guus
Offline Gert-Jan  
#39 Posted : 12 November 2006 13:14:03(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Guus
<br />Just my two pennies worth of thoughts on pricing policy wink


I agree with Guus, my pricing 'complaint' was meant 'in general' and not about the fabulous Märklin loks wink
Wheel diameter 2300 mm. is almost a must have for me...

Actually, I would prefer to pay more for good quality than cheap junk. In my opinion Märklin is doing a good job on price/quality !
(I love my BR45 and BR10 for their details and full iron bodies.)

Just general euro complaints, I just got charged for 0,75 euro cent while leaving a public toilet.

Worth every penny (at that moment) but when thinking about 1,50 DM for a pee biggrin
Mosty era III DB.
Offline Guus  
#40 Posted : 12 November 2006 16:08:45(UTC)
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For those of us who are fond of the BR05 wheels biggrin:

UserPostedImage

UserPostedImage

Now all I need is only a few spare parts....[:o)]

Guus

Kind regards,
Guus
Offline Gert-Jan  
#41 Posted : 12 November 2006 17:11:02(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Guus
<br />For those of us who are fond of the BR05 wheels biggrin:


Cheaper alternative for all those with a big wheel fetish [:p]

Märklin states: Modellradsatz (Ø 26,5 mm) der Schnellfahrlokomotive Baureihe 05. (multiplies by 87 is 2300 !)
Mosty era III DB.
Offline john black  
#42 Posted : 13 November 2006 11:12:39(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Guus
<br />Now all I need is only a few spare parts ... [:o)]

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Offline mj  
#43 Posted : 13 November 2006 19:27:06(UTC)
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Nice, I need to have it, and perhaps I will..... biggrin
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Offline intruder  
#44 Posted : 13 November 2006 21:13:31(UTC)
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I allready have one 46077, so it's a start

Or spare parts, when I buy the BR05...
Best regards Svein, Norway
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Offline Hemmerich  
#45 Posted : 13 November 2006 21:57:04(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by verheyen
<br />And you violated their copyright why? Tsk, tsk... Stealing from mother.

Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich
<br />
Note: These pictures are owned by Märklin/TRIX.


Only someone really "stupid" or with a very negative attitude could imagine that any true insider would ever do that. It's almost needless to say that surely these pictures are posted "Mit Genehmigung der Gebr.Märklin & Cie.GmbH"!!! [:(!][:(!][:(!]

They were especially posted here since this user group has a much higher interest in knowing what's "fake" and what's true (other forums are indeed a better place for fakes and such "foolish" people posting them Cool).
Offline Guus  
#46 Posted : 13 November 2006 22:46:58(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:"Mit Genehmigung der Gebr.Märklin & Cie.GmbH"!!!

Thank you Lutz.
Please thank your Märklin source as well from me.

Kind regards
Guus
Kind regards,
Guus
Offline foumaro  
#47 Posted : 14 November 2006 08:59:46(UTC)
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You get the point.I do not care to pay 500,00 for a masterpiece but
it hurts me very much to pay 1,00 euro for rubbish.I am gonna get
this nice steamer anyway.Is is wonderfull.biggrin
Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich
<br />
Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Guus
<br />Hi Gert-Jan,

I fully agree with you,it's still a large amount of money.
There must be some kind of "inflation" effect of the Euro,if you ask me.

Guus

I wonder a little bit about this price discussion. Have you already forgotten the price of the BR45 Insider model? wink
Offline alonso231gery  
#48 Posted : 14 November 2006 13:35:24(UTC)
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I am a bit confused but i want to ask it so as to make it clear.
This model has two c-sine motors?
An outsider.
I'm looking for the owner of that horse. He's tall, blonde, he smokes a cigar, and he's a pig!
Offline Guus  
#49 Posted : 14 November 2006 15:06:21(UTC)
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Hi Nikos,

According to the model description shown together with the demonstration model of the BR05 on the Kölner Messe,it has one(1) compact C-sine engine.

There have been a lot of phantasies about this new model and one of the phantasies was a two engined model with counteracting motors(one in the tender and one in the boiler) so the model could emulate slipping drive wheels [B)]

There are a few pictures on this site;3 photos on the second page of the topic:
http://stummi.foren-city...ider-modell-2007-h0.html

Hope this answers your question

Kind regards
Guus
Kind regards,
Guus
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#50 Posted : 14 November 2006 16:06:51(UTC)
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If coming from Marklin traditional manufacture it will be a great success.As an Insider model the Greatest success since the Big Boy & BR 45...


Insider model of a big old Steamer is always a great succes...
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