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Offline hxmiesa  
#1 Posted : 11 October 2006 11:34:37(UTC)
hxmiesa

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Hi guys and electricians,

I have a defunc 6631 trafo. :-(
It looks like it has seen very little use, but nevertheless it doesnt have any output, nor does the small lamp light up.

I removed the splits and opened the casing, and started meassuring with my simple hobby-multimeter. (Please, no comments about how dangerous this is, and that I shouldnt be doing this, etc...)

I found that a small thermo-breaker (on the primary side I think; the one with some 10 windings with a thin wire) was BROKEN. Looked like the thermo-wire had burned.
I fixed that removing one winding of the thermoelement, re-connecting the breaker again.

So far so good; I could now see that current was flowing. (a small spark when connecting the breaker) When the breaker is open, I meassure some 10V AC across it. A little strange no, if this is indeed the primary side???

But still no output on the secondary side. Nothing at all!

I checked the other thermal breaker (the one with a thick wire and only two windings) and it looked ok. -at least there was no tension drop across it. (in fact I doubt current is flowing in the secondary side at all?!)

I checked visually and by pulling (softly) on all the wires going to the coils, and didnt find anything broken or loose.
Quite the contrary; everything looked good and clean and new.

What can be the problem? -is there any specific test or meassurement I can make, in order to find the problem, fix it, and get this unit going again???
Best regards
Henrik Hoexbroe ("The Dane In Spain")
http://hoexbroe.tripod.com
Offline hmsfix  
#2 Posted : 11 October 2006 11:49:24(UTC)
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That sounds really strage. Perhaps the wire is broken inside the primary coil, this would be bad. You could check that it you measure the resistance of the primary coil with your ohm meter. Should be around 10 - 50 Ohms, I guess.

Hans Martin
Offline RayF  
#3 Posted : 11 October 2006 11:53:24(UTC)
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Hi Henrik,

It sounds to me like you might have a short in your primary or secondary coils, which caused the thermal trip to blow, but it's dificult to tell from your measurements. Is there any evidence of overheating on the coils? Was there any smell of burning when opened?
Ray
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Offline rugauger  
#4 Posted : 11 October 2006 12:09:41(UTC)
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Henrik - spend no more time. Get a new transformer. Honestly.
Richard
Offline MärCo  
#5 Posted : 11 October 2006 12:17:33(UTC)
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Sounds like the safety device is broken.
Don't take any risk, buy a new one.
Absolutly AFB-NOHAB fan ;-)
Offline DasBert33  
#6 Posted : 11 October 2006 12:27:18(UTC)
DasBert33

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Trade it in for a new one, Marklins transformer trade-in action is still running. You can get a 60VA model very cheap now. (What is it, 20 Euros?)

Bert
Offline pa-pauls  
#7 Posted : 11 October 2006 12:46:38(UTC)
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Yoooooooo Henrik,

Get a new one, this IS in fact dangerous [}:)]



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Offline WelshMatt  
#8 Posted : 11 October 2006 14:09:45(UTC)
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I'd agree with other posts. Trade it in with Marklin and get a new one. It's not worth the hassle or danger of trying to fix an old transformer. I speak as one who had a nasty jolt from an ancient 12v DC transformer a few months ago - it made an interesting dent in the wall when I inadvertantly flung it across the room!
Matt from Wales.

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Offline Davy  
#9 Posted : 11 October 2006 14:24:16(UTC)
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In Holland you can buy a new white trafo (32va) out a starterkit for 20 euro.
M-track with a CS2.
Offline john black  
#10 Posted : 11 October 2006 15:38:21(UTC)
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At www.fundgrube-neandertal.de too - brand new #6647 32VA for €19.95 only Smile
Henrik, get rid of this darn old thing!!! Never worth risking your safety on such [:0]
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Offline rugauger  
#11 Posted : 11 October 2006 15:42:11(UTC)
rugauger

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Addition: I also recently fried a decoder in analog mode using an old blue transformer. These old transformers sometimes pump out too many volts, esp. on the reversing impulse. Yet another reason to "go white".
Richard
Offline WelshMatt  
#12 Posted : 11 October 2006 16:17:45(UTC)
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You know, I was thinking about buying one of these older units to allow me to control the two loops on my layout independently - looks like I'd be better off either paying a little more for the new white one or buying a Mobile Station (£30 or so split from set via ebay Germany). I'd then have the outer loop as analog for non-decodered locos and the inner loop as digital. If I isolated the centre rail on the track joining the two loops would that work?
Matt from Wales.

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Offline hxmiesa  
#13 Posted : 11 October 2006 17:31:33(UTC)
hxmiesa

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Guys,

Thanks for your comments.
I KNOW of course that all of you are RIGHT aboutit not being worth the risk or effort to fix it (hence my "please no comments about...") ;-)

I looked at a white second-hand trafo in Denmark during the summer-holidays, but 30,- Euros seemed a little steep. (Now I wish I had bought it anyway ;-)

@DasBert33; It must be analog!!!

@Others; I dont use Ebay, and I dont have any shops close by, hence my desperation in trying to fix it.

I will try NOT to be tempted anymore to try and fix it...

@hmsfix; Thanks for your specific help. -But it makes it more difficult NOT to keep investigating... ;-)

Best regards
Henrik Hoexbroe ("The Dane In Spain")
http://hoexbroe.tripod.com
Offline steventrain  
#14 Posted : 11 October 2006 18:48:32(UTC)
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Do not use the transformer if broken for your own safety.

Try a new one.
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Offline Purellum  
#15 Posted : 11 October 2006 20:06:41(UTC)
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Just for fun, follow Hans Martins advice, and measure the resistance in both primary
and secondary coil, and the 2 breakers, and then tell us your result.

Remember to disconnect first!

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Offline DasBert33  
#16 Posted : 11 October 2006 22:13:35(UTC)
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Maybe this is usefull: http://www.maerklin.de/produkte/trafotausch.php

Although still expensive...

Bert
Offline hxmiesa  
#17 Posted : 12 October 2006 00:15:06(UTC)
hxmiesa

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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Purellum
<br />Just for fun, follow Hans Martins advice, and measure the resistance in both primary
and secondary coil, and the 2 breakers, and then tell us your result.


Okay I will try to do it, but now I have to wait until monday to bring home a decent multimeter...
Best regards
Henrik Hoexbroe ("The Dane In Spain")
http://hoexbroe.tripod.com
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