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Rocca		#1 Posted : 08 October 2006 11:53:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/01/2004(UTC) Posts: 632		Dear friends, I'll need soon more power with my Central Station, because I want the digital control of solenoids. Anyway, I'll need the booster 60172: in which way I must connect it with the CS? I have to buy the 60125 item or I need to make two sections in my layout? Best regards Stefano
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Goofy		#2 Posted : 08 October 2006 12:01:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,286		When you have bought booster,there is an connecting-cable that shall plugged into CS! And to feeding booster,you must have an own transformer to feed booster! Don`t forget to isolation tracks between CS and booster...! Goofy
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Rocca		#3 Posted : 08 October 2006 12:19:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/01/2004(UTC) Posts: 632		Hi Goofy, Thank you very much for the answer....Sure I have another own trafo to connect to the booster...!!! But what you mean, speaking about the isolations tracks between the CS and the booster?!? It should be very difficult for me to uninstall the tracks of my layout... Best regards Stefano
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steventrain		#4 Posted : 08 October 2006 12:32:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,697 Location: United Kingdom		The booster 60172 still on list but not be delivery yet since.
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Sander van Wijk		#5 Posted : 08 October 2006 14:23:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,248 Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands; Göteborg, Sverige,		According to some information I've read a few days ago there won't be a 60172 booster with the specs as announced earlier. As stated in that source the 60172 was supposed to be co-developed with... (the three letter acronymn) Since that cooperation is over, Märklin will develop their "own" Systems Boosters. Maybe some one can confirm this or correct me of course, since I don't remember the source of this information.
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Goofy		#6 Posted : 08 October 2006 15:49:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,286		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Rocca <br />Hi Goofy, Thank you very much for the answer....Sure I have another own trafo to connect to the booster...!!! But what you mean, speaking about the isolations tracks between the CS and the booster?!? It should be very difficult for me to uninstall the tracks of my layout... Best regards Stefano I mean that you cannot using the same track by using CS and the booster. It will or else saying:POOFFF...! You must divided up tracks by to connecting CS and the booster. Goofy
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mmervine		#7 Posted : 08 October 2006 16:21:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,894 Location: Keene, NH		I think that Märklin needs to get moving soon. With the lack of feedback, boosters, and computer control they may loose the market. Although ECoS doesn't support MFX and the computer interface is also unavailable, it supports the S88 bus and makes it easy to use your old 6021, keyboards, etc. without any additional costs. r/mark
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Rocca		#8 Posted : 08 October 2006 18:54:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/01/2004(UTC) Posts: 632		I see, dear Goofy..thank you very much for the suggestion! And, tell me, is it sufficient and useful using the central track tongue 5022 (for M-Track) or the 74030 item for C-tracks? Best regards Stefano Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Goofy <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Rocca <br />Hi Goofy, Thank you very much for the answer....Sure I have another own trafo to connect to the booster...!!! But what you mean, speaking about the isolations tracks between the CS and the booster?!? It should be very difficult for me to uninstall the tracks of my layout... Best regards Stefano I mean that you cannot using the same track by using CS and the booster. It will or else saying:POOFFF...! You must divided up tracks by to connecting CS and the booster. Goofy
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Goofy		#9 Posted : 09 October 2006 21:24:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,286		Yes!!! You must using centre isolation for the tracks,by divided up between CS and the booster. Goofy
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Bigdaddynz		#10 Posted : 11 October 2006 08:23:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,778 Location: New Zealand		Hi Rocca, Not only do you need to insulate the booster sections from each other, you also need to use some plastic 'rocker insulators' between the sections. The rocker insulators sit on top of the centre rail, and prevent the locomotive pickup from shorting out the two sections as it passes over - the insulators prevents the pickup from shorting things out by lifting the pickup momentarily off the centre rail. Cheers Dave.
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Goofy		#11 Posted : 12 October 2006 20:27:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,286		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz <br />Hi Rocca, Not only do you need to insulate the booster sections from each other, you also need to use some plastic 'rocker insulators' between the sections. The rocker insulators sit on top of the centre rail, and prevent the locomotive pickup from shorting out the two sections as it passes over - the insulators prevents the pickup from shorting things out by lifting the pickup momentarily off the centre rail. Cheers Dave. Only when you are using digital to analog or visa verse from analog to digital...! Goofy
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Lars Westerlind		#12 Posted : 13 October 2006 00:09:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/10/2001(UTC) Posts: 2,379 Location: Lindome, Sweden		No Goofy, Märklin clearly states that it's needed between a mfx-section (CS+Mobstat) and a non mfx-section (6015/6017/Delta) as well. As I already told in another recent thread. But if ever the new booster is delivered, it should work without this "rocker insulator"/ski lifter. /Lars
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Rocca		#13 Posted : 13 October 2006 18:18:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/01/2004(UTC) Posts: 632		Sure!!!, dear Lars, We can read what you say in the last issue of Märklin Magazin too, pp. 20-21. I'm looking for the new Booster.... ;-) Best regards Stefano
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Goofy		#14 Posted : 13 October 2006 20:11:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,286		Is that you mean so...? Okey!!! Goofy
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kgsjoqvist		#15 Posted : 16 October 2006 18:34:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2002(UTC) Posts: 754 Location: Täby		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Lars Westerlind <br />No Goofy, Märklin clearly states that it's needed between a mfx-section (CS+Mobstat) and a non mfx-section (6015/6017/Delta) as well. As I already told in another recent thread. But if ever the new booster is delivered, it should work without this "rocker insulator"/ski lifter. /Lars Even more confusing: Märklin Magazin states that you should add a "virtual loco" with a Motorola address and either activate a function or set a speed for it. That is because the boosters 6015/6017 can't produce a "pure mfx" signal. As far as I can see the only explanation for this advice is that the boosters need to detect a signal in the old data format to "stay awake". If there are only mfx decoders present, the booster will not transmit any signal - is that true? Or do they just mean that the feedback from mfx decoders is gone when the loco is in a booster segment. Anyway, as long as the CS remembers the mfx addresses it should keep on sending the signal. But a new mfx loco has to be on the main track fed by CS to report itself as present.
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perz		#16 Posted : 17 October 2006 00:07:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2002(UTC) Posts: 2,578 Location: Sweden		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Even more confusing: Märklin Magazin states that you should add a "virtual loco" with a Motorola address and either activate a function or set a speed for it. That is because the boosters 6015/6017 can't produce a "pure mfx" signal. As far as I can see the only explanation for this advice is that the boosters need to detect a signal in the old data format to "stay awake". If there are only mfx decoders present, the booster will not transmit any signal - is that true? Or do they just mean that the feedback from mfx decoders is gone when the loco is in a booster segment. Anyway, as long as the CS remembers the mfx addresses it should keep on sending the signal. But a new mfx loco has to be on the main track fed by CS to report itself as present. I think I have figured out what they mean. See my post in this topic: https://www.marklin-users.net/fo...ault.aspx?g=posts&t=5432
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kgsjoqvist		#17 Posted : 17 October 2006 12:15:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2002(UTC) Posts: 754 Location: Täby		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by perz <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Even more confusing: Märklin Magazin states that you should add a "virtual loco" with a Motorola address and either activate a function or set a speed for it. That is because the boosters 6015/6017 can't produce a "pure mfx" signal. As far as I can see the only explanation for this advice is that the boosters need to detect a signal in the old data format to "stay awake". If there are only mfx decoders present, the booster will not transmit any signal - is that true? Or do they just mean that the feedback from mfx decoders is gone when the loco is in a booster segment. Anyway, as long as the CS remembers the mfx addresses it should keep on sending the signal. But a new mfx loco has to be on the main track fed by CS to report itself as present. I think I have figured out what they mean. See my post in this topic: https://www.marklin-users.net/fo...ault.aspx?g=posts&t=5432 OK - problem solved. I think the explanation from Märklin was a bit dizzy. If they would have told us this was a workaround that addresses a problem with the boosters, it would be clear. As far as I can see it is a problem if you have only mfx locos on the layout, or if the non-mfx locos are standing still without activated funtions. I still think they should have solved this with an update of the software in CS. Even if it's a simple procedure to call up a dummy loco entry and activate a function, it is not in line with the ease-of-use that is the whole idea of /systems.
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Lars Westerlind		#18 Posted : 17 October 2006 14:34:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/10/2001(UTC) Posts: 2,379 Location: Lindome, Sweden		Of course, and I'm sure they will. But in my understanding a new subcontractor is now rewriting all the software, and a "fix" can't be released that easy until next summer (or later). Looking in the mirror, I would guess two years after next summer.
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aj1201		#19 Posted : 24 October 2006 03:23:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/10/2005(UTC) Posts: 91 Location: westwood, New Jersey		If im not mistaken AJCKIDS shows the booster in stock.
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rschaffr		#20 Posted : 24 October 2006 03:31:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,182 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		No, they have it on their site for preorder. You will get in line and get it whenever Marklin gets around to producing it. It is still Red/Yellow at Marklin.de
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aj1201		#21 Posted : 24 October 2006 03:52:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/10/2005(UTC) Posts: 91 Location: westwood, New Jersey		Im sure its not yet produced but not shown as preorder.http://www.ajckids.com/trains/detail.asp?Item=60172&Man=Marklin&scale=A&Group=dcc&Era=&Road=&yr=05
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