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Offline verheyen  
#1 Posted : 01 September 2006 04:17:43(UTC)
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From the Spiegel

Siemens is going to try to break the world speed record for LOCOMOTIVES on the Nürnberg-Ingolstadt NBS with a Taurus this Saturday (Sept. 2). The current record of 331 km/h was set on 29. March 1955 by the French locomotive BB-9004, available from Roco.

German at <http://www.spiegel.de/reise/aktuell/0,1518,434565,00.html>

For some reason the link to the Google translation isn't working..., so here it is.

BULL ON RAILS

Siemens wants to crack world record for electrical locomotives

For over 50 years the world record of a French electrical locomotive is unbroken: 1955 reached the BB-9004 a speed of 331 km/h. With its model “Taurus” wants to make the Frenchman the title contentious for Siemens. An excursion by the technology history of the course.

Berlin - with a racing bull the new station of Kinding will enter in the Altmühltal on Saturday technology history. If the weather along-plays, there an electrical locomotive on the new building distance Ingolstadt Nuremberg starts to the world record travel. Thus Siemens wants to crack more than 50 years old Bestmarke set up of 331 km/h, from the French locomotive BB-9004 to 29. March 1955 on the distance Bordeaux DAX in the southwest of the country.

Click on a picture, in order to start the photo distance (4 pictures).
Now the candidate is a locomotive of the type ES64U4. “It successfully brought high palpation travels” in the past week already behind itself. Manufacturer Siemens has itself for the 6400 kilowatts strong machine also a volkstümlichere designation secured: “Taurus” (bull), because of the bulligen appearance of the locomotive, which pulls Europe in the standard type of goods trains through half. The locomotives, originally for the Austrian federal courses developed, are European Hightech leading products, which can to process different current and signal systems and to shorten so the border stays of the courses. On a long-term basis that is to help the goods traffic on the rail to better competitive conditions opposite the road.

For high-speed driving attempts as the planned the locomotives in all rule must be provided with another transmission translation. The French locomotive had in addition a fairing. Allegedly the current collectors are to have melted away while driving nearly. Also the distances are before prepared, about as the railway catenary becomes strengthened and differently strained. Because of the strong demand of overhead line and underbody afterwards thorough maintenance work lines up. The costs can reach million-dimensions.

Schienenzeppelin reached speed 230

Siemens speaks also of a “very complex project”. It fits however into firm history. Finally the founder father of the company, Werner von Siemens built, more than 120 years ago the first electrical locomotive and on the citizens of Berlin industrial show 1879 in continuous operation demonstrated. A Siemens and a AEG locomotive already reached 1903 in the south of Berlin around 200 km/h.

Afterwards records on rails were obtained particularly by steam engines or exotic vehicles like the Schienenzeppelin. This unique vehicle with tail propeller rests 1931 with speed 230 on the distance Hamburg Berlin, in series was however never built. The National Railroad locomotive 05,002 drove 1935 world record with 200.4 kilometers per hour, three years later however of the English “Mallard” with 201,2 km/h very scarcely - and under historians disputed, among other things because the locomotive drove downhill - was exceeded and stands until today.

Not least because of the war events the record of the Schienenzeppelins held its superiority into the fifties, as the French state railway SNCF with several record travels with the rail traffic in Europe - and at that time was called also: world-wide - to document wanted. That succeeded also with evenly that record mark, which has Siemens now in the visor.

At that time it was not clear yet that toward end of the century no longer lokomotivbespannte sets, but Triebzüge would dominate the person high-speed traffic. France kept usually the nose also here in front. The high-speed course TGV holds the absolute record in the wheel rail system with 515,3 km/h since 1990. Before a small while the German ICE-V held it, at the 1. May 1988 on the new building distance Fulda Würzburg 406.9 km/h had reached. Since fixed standards for such records are missing, two record-suspicious attendant circumstances of this travel remain existing historically: The best performance was obtained in the tunnel, and were three Federal Ministers on board.

Locomotives win meaning

Today Triebzüge drive rather inconspicuously and regularly speed 300 and more, straight also on the distance Ingolstadt Nuremberg. The TGV has 320 as control speed. The ICE S Testzug of the German course tried some years ago between wolf castle and Berlin a rotary stand with speed 390. The normal ICE-3 had to exist test travels with speed 330, before they became certified for public traffic.

The achievements from locomotives stepped in contrast to this into the background; they gain more because of the globalization also on the rail ever significance. Perhaps that is the reason, why Siemens with the record attempt of the “fastest goods train locomotive of the world” wants to call the level of its traffic engineering in international consciousness. The racing bull is already good for speed 230 nevertheless and pulls apart from auto and containerization of intertown center and euro town center courses by Central Europe.

By Thomas Rietig, AP
Offline HueyCE  
#2 Posted : 01 September 2006 04:52:33(UTC)
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Peter, the links were not working so I went ahead and posted the article.
Ira

Siemens will Weltrekord für Elektroloks knacken

Seit über 50 Jahren ist der Weltrekord einer französischen Elektrolok ungebrochen: 1955 erreichte die BB-9004 eine Geschwindigkeit von 331 km/h. Mit seinem Modell "Taurus" will Siemens den Franzosen den Titel streitig machen. Ein Streifzug durch die Technikgeschichte der Bahn.


Berlin - Mit einem rasenden Stier wird der neue Bahnhof von Kinding im Altmühltal am Samstag in die Technikgeschichte eingehen. Wenn das Wetter mitspielt, startet dort eine Elektrolok auf der Neubaustrecke Ingolstadt-Nürnberg zur Weltrekordfahrt. Damit will Siemens die mehr als 50 Jahre alte Bestmarke von 331 km/h knacken, aufgestellt von der französischen Lok BB-9004 am 29. März 1955 auf der Strecke Bordeaux-Dax im Südwesten des Landes.


E-LOKS UND TRIEBZÜGE: MIT SPEED ÜBER DIE SCHIENE

Jetzt ist der Kandidat eine Lokomotive des Typs ES64U4. "Hochtastfahrten" hat sie in der vergangenen Woche schon erfolgreich hinter sich gebracht. Hersteller Siemens hat sich für die 6400 Kilowatt starke Maschine auch eine volkstümlichere Bezeichnung gesichert: "Taurus" (Stier), wegen des bulligen Aussehens der Lok, die in der Serienausführung Güterzüge durch halb Europa zieht. Die Lokomotiven, ursprünglich für die Österreichischen Bundesbahnen entwickelt, sind europäische Hightech-Spitzenprodukte, die verschiedene Strom- und Signalsysteme verarbeiten können und so die Grenzaufenthalte der Züge verkürzen. Langfristig soll das dem Güterverkehr auf der Schiene zu besseren Wettbewerbsbedingungen gegenüber der Straße verhelfen.

Für Schnellfahrversuche wie den geplanten müssen die Lokomotiven in aller Regel mit einer anderen Getriebeübersetzung versehen werden. Die französische Lok hatte dazu eine Stromlinienverkleidung. Angeblich sollen die Stromabnehmer während der Fahrt fast weggeschmolzen sein. Auch die Strecken werden vorher präpariert, etwa indem die Fahrleitung verstärkt und anders gespannt wird. Wegen der starken Beanspruchung von Oberleitung und Unterbau stehen anschließend gründliche Wartungsarbeiten an. Die Kosten können Millionen-Dimensionen erreichen.

Schienenzeppelin erreichte Tempo 230

Siemens spricht denn auch von einem "sehr aufwendigen Projekt". Es passt aber in die Firmengeschichte. Schließlich hat der Gründervater des Konzerns, Werner von Siemens, vor mehr als 120 Jahren die erste elektrische Lokomotive gebaut und auf der Berliner Gewerbeausstellung 1879 im Dauerbetrieb vorgeführt. Eine Siemens- und eine AEG-Lokomotive erreichten schon 1903 im Süden Berlins um die 200 km/h.

Danach wurden Rekorde auf Schienen vor allem von Dampflokomotiven oder exotischen Fahrzeugen wie dem Schienenzeppelin erzielt. Dieses einmalige Gefährt mit Heckpropeller raste 1931 mit Tempo 230 auf der Strecke Hamburg-Berlin, wurde aber nie in Serie gebaut. Die Reichsbahnlok 05 002 fuhr 1935 Weltrekord mit 200,4 Stundenkilometer, wurde drei Jahre später aber von der englischen "Mallard" mit 201,2 km/h sehr knapp - und unter Historikern umstritten, unter anderem weil die Lok bergab fuhr - übertroffen und steht bis heute.

Nicht zuletzt wegen der Kriegsereignisse hielt der Rekord des Schienenzeppelins bis in die fünfziger Jahre, als die französische Staatsbahn SNCF mit mehreren Rekordfahrten ihre Überlegenheit beim Schienenverkehr in Europa - und damals hieß das auch: weltweit - dokumentieren wollte. Das gelang auch mit eben jener Rekordmarke, die Siemens jetzt im Visier hat.

Damals war noch nicht klar, dass gegen Ende des Jahrhunderts nicht mehr lokomotivbespannte Garnituren, sondern Triebzüge den Personen-Schnellverkehr dominieren würden. Auch hier behielt Frankreich in der Regel die Nase vorn. Der Hochgeschwindigkeitszug TGV hält seit 1990 den absoluten Rekord im Rad-Schiene-System mit 515,3 km/h. Zuvor hatte ihn eine kleine Weile der deutsche ICE-V inne, der am 1. Mai 1988 auf der Neubaustrecke Fulda-Würzburg 406,9 km/h erreicht hatte. Da festgelegte Standards für solche Rekorde fehlen, bleiben zwei rekordverdächtige Begleitumstände dieser Fahrt historisch bestehen: Die Bestleistung wurde im Tunnel erzielt, und es waren drei Bundesminister an Bord.

Lokomotiven gewinnen wieder an Bedeutung

Heute fahren Triebzüge eher unauffällig und fahrplanmäßig Tempo 300 und mehr, gerade auch auf der Strecke Ingolstadt-Nürnberg. Der TGV hat 320 als Regelgeschwindigkeit. Der ICE-S-Testzug der Deutschen Bahn probierte vor einigen Jahren zwischen Wolfsburg und Berlin ein Drehgestell mit Tempo 390. Die normalen ICE-3 mussten Testfahrten mit Tempo 330 bestehen, bevor sie für den öffentlichen Verkehr zugelassen wurden.

Die Leistungen von Lokomotiven sind demgegenüber in den Hintergrund getreten; dabei gewinnen sie wegen der Globalisierung auch auf der Schiene immer mehr an Bedeutung. Vielleicht ist das der Grund, warum Siemens mit dem Rekordversuch der "schnellsten Güterzuglok der Welt" das Niveau seiner Verkehrstechnik ins internationale Bewusstsein rufen will. Immerhin ist der rasende Stier schon jetzt für Tempo 230 gut und zieht neben Auto- und Containertransporten Intercity- und Eurocity-Züge durch Mitteleuropa.

Von Thomas Rietig, AP
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Offline verheyen  
#3 Posted : 01 September 2006 16:23:25(UTC)
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Links work now. Google translation passable...

p.

Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by HueyCE
<br />Peter, the links were not working so I went ahead and posted the article.
Ira
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#4 Posted : 01 September 2006 19:14:38(UTC)
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If this "super high-tech" thingy won't beat an old lady from the last century they better scrap it ... [}:)]
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#5 Posted : 02 September 2006 04:02:08(UTC)
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John-A little French pride rubbing off on you from Mrs. Black?wink
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Offline verheyen  
#6 Posted : 02 September 2006 20:15:16(UTC)
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Well, it's over for the ol' BB.

Original story at &lt;http://www.salzburg.com/sn/nach...ten/artikel/2347975.html&gt;.

ÖBB locomotive with new speed world record
02. September 2006 | 16:13

One of the Austrian federal courses with Siemens ordered “Taurus” - locomotive set up a fulminanten speed world record for locomotives in the Saturday afternoon on the new building distance Nürnberg Ingolstadt in Bavaria. Between Kinding and all mountain the multi-system locomotive of the series developed by Siemens reached 1216 a maximum speed of 357 kilometers in the hour.

The Bestmarke comes from the second attempt, after the “Taurus” had directly before exceeded the old, from the year 1955 coming record of 331 km/h with 344 km/h already. Before 51 years a locomotive of the French had been state railways between Bordeaux and DAX so rapidly on the way.

With the world record locomotive it acts according to data of Thomas Berger, speaker of the ÖBB traction GmbH, over a regular model of the third “Taurus” - generation, at the end of of 2007 delivers itself and for a speed of 230 km/h is designed. With the record the locomotive took approximately 30 kilometers “approach” and kept the top speed long about four minute.

For the record attempt the silver-grey locomotive, which can be used in nine countries, had been not substantially changed. “Little things had to be made for stop - in such a way the windshield wipers were dismounted, because at this speed”, described Berger would have away-flown those. To the record attempt had themselves - in best weather - approximately 1,500 interested appeared.

357 km/h mean a world record for locomotives. The absolute record for rail-mounted vehicles is held however by the French high-speed course TGV: The Triebwagenzug reached to 18. May 1990 between Paris and Lyon a speed of 515,3 km/h.

© SN/APA.
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#7 Posted : 02 September 2006 21:07:43(UTC)
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#8 Posted : 02 September 2006 22:11:34(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by verheyen
<br />Pics at &lt;http://drehscheibe-online.ist-i...forum/read.php?4,3022857&gt;.



Thanks for the link Peter! Smile
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#9 Posted : 03 September 2006 04:09:49(UTC)
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Nice record. Nice looking Lok too. This will make a good model to collect.biggrin

However, the Roco logo on the side may give a clue which catalog this Lok will be in.wink
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#10 Posted : 04 September 2006 10:07:49(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by HueyCE
<br />John-A little French pride rubbing off on you from Mrs. Black?wink

Right, Ira. And TGV is still at 515 km/h ... Cool
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Offline verheyen  
#11 Posted : 04 September 2006 17:29:52(UTC)
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Video clip available at
&lt;http://www.bahntv-online.de/btv...hp?s=2100&ids=140258&gt;.
MS IE5 or better required. It's the third story in at about 5min into
an 11min broadcast. It's all in German but has some nice shots.
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#12 Posted : 04 September 2006 18:42:54(UTC)
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TGV can actually go faster than 515, but they'd need to adjust the thing. At that speed, the rear wagons started leaving the tracks.

But, the TGV isn't the fastest rail vehicle, there's a rocket sled that's a LOT faster. Of course, that's not a train, nor is it very safe, but it is a rail vehicle ;)
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#13 Posted : 04 September 2006 19:35:58(UTC)
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Thanks for sharing the video and pictures.
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