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Lars Westerlind		#1 Posted : 10 July 2006 22:25:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/10/2001(UTC) Posts: 2,379 Location: Lindome, Sweden		is today available. Contains a new mode (no 6) displaying Lissy events (direction, category and address of a loco passing a supervised Lissy module). And a buffer for route control: with Lissy several commands may arrive simultaneously, which could cause loss of commands. Should be fixed. Long addresses and an update for IB-Control as well. /Lars
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xxup		#2 Posted : 11 July 2006 04:08:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 9,612 Location: Australia		Thanks for the update Lars.. Oh no... It needs a floppy drive and diskette if you are running XP... [:(!]
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laalves		#3 Posted : 11 July 2006 05:05:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,162 Location: Portugal		Glad I ended up by never getting an IB then! A couple of months ago I rebuilt my desktop PC and threw that diskette drive bugger away for good! Luis
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xxup		#4 Posted : 11 July 2006 05:19:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 9,612 Location: Australia		It gets worse as the notebook that I can use to run the layout, while I wait for a replacement PC, does not have a serial port and my guess is that this bootable floppy will not incorporate drivers to support USB to serial connections... Perhaps the IB is now obselete?
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viragoLDR		#5 Posted : 11 July 2006 12:14:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2005(UTC) Posts: 703 Location: ,		The IB isn't obsolete (unless you want all the mfx effects), the people who design the updating software are though ;) Then again, it should be possible to burn the disk image to a cd and boot from there. Usually what can be booted using a diskette can also be booted using a cd.
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xxup		#6 Posted : 11 July 2006 12:22:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 9,612 Location: Australia		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by viragoLDR <br />..it should be possible to burn the disk image to a cd and boot from there... It checks for a diskette and refuses to proceed if it can see one... I am not sure how it does this otherwise I might be able to work out a way to fool it...
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clapcott		#7 Posted : 11 July 2006 12:35:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,448 Location: Wellington, New_Zealand		There are such tings as virtual FDDs and redirectors (if it is simply looking for a:) However I suspect the issue is weather you can garantee direct access AND control of the serial port so that data is not lost during transmission. If the IB is well designed any update would not be "activated" unless/until a fully intact image is uploaded and has been CRC checked.
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xxup		#8 Posted : 11 July 2006 12:43:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 9,612 Location: Australia		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by clapcott <br />...If the IB is well designed any update would not be "activated" unless/until a fully intact image is uploaded and has been CRC checked. Therein lies the problem I think... They don't understand Windows enough to confidently update the hardware... [xx(]
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McLae		#9 Posted : 11 July 2006 21:38:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,575 Location: DeSoto (Dallas area), TX		There is an XP version of the update that does not require floppies.[:I] Don't grab the first thing you see. Read the text first.[}:)]
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xxup		#10 Posted : 12 July 2006 01:19:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 9,612 Location: Australia		What text? At this link http://www.uhlenbrock.de/3/0/0/0/I4B23204-001.htm!ArcEntryInfo=0007.3.I4B23204 the text link http://www.uhlenbrock.de...04-001.apd/xp-update.txt tells me to: 1. copy the file on to a hard drive 2. Insert a diskette into drive A 3. Run the program from the hard drive 4. Reboot the PC with the diskette in the drive 5. Tells you to make a BIOS change to boot off A: if step 4 does not work 6. When it has rebooted in DOS mode it wants you to run IBUPDATE.EXE 7. Remove diskette and then reboot the PC.. If you ignore the above and then run the update anyway you get this error message: Which I believe is trying to tell me that the embedded image file can't use the drive. If there is another way, then please enlighten us.
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Lars Westerlind		#11 Posted : 12 July 2006 11:06:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/10/2001(UTC) Posts: 2,379 Location: Lindome, Sweden		I'm really not very good at PCs, but I think the last error message comes when the program tries to make the disket bootable. If I understand correctly Uhlenbrock still needs to be upgraded from a PC that doesn't run Windows, but instead DOS, or the mode an XP computer has during maintenance. The different files etc from Uhlenbrock still only tries to help in the process. So. I think that if you could produce a bootable disk, floppy or CD or whatever, which causes the PC to start in DOS-mode (whatever called), and containes the loading program and the updatefile, it doesn't matter how you do it. I myself still keep a PC with windows 3.11 and DOS for the purpose! /Lars
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john black		#12 Posted : 12 July 2006 13:53:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by xxup <br /> Which I believe is trying to tell me that the embedded image file can't use the drive Alas, you're right. It means: "Your drive can't read U's data format" (must be an alien format [xx(]) Sorry, Adrian - could only verify the translation for you ... John
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Lars Westerlind		#13 Posted : 12 July 2006 15:32:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/10/2001(UTC) Posts: 2,379 Location: Lindome, Sweden		I guess Bablefish could translate it that way too, no bad translation. But in this context it has nothing to do with any visible image/picture, and of course, any data format could be used for any drive. I still think that the message comes when trying to access the boot sector, or some other kind of formatting, that is not transparent to the disk driver. /Lars
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xxup		#14 Posted : 12 July 2006 23:38:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 9,612 Location: Australia		The problem is that the "program" is a self extracting floppy disk image file. There appears to be no option to redirect the installation to another media (eg CD-COM or USB Drive).. Anyway, it looks like I might be okay.. I have had another look at the fried train room computer and I may be able to transfer its floppy drive to this computer.. The drive will probably need a good clean out as I don't think that it was used during the four years that the computer was running.. (The last IB update was done on the previous train room computer that was an old Dell running Windows 98 - since died of natural causes about a year ago!)
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steventrain		#15 Posted : 13 July 2006 10:39:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,705 Location: United Kingdom		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Lars Westerlind <br />I guess Bablefish could translate it that way too, no bad translation. But in this context it has nothing to do with any visible image/picture, and of course, any data format could be used for any drive. I still think that the message comes when trying to access the boot sector, or some other kind of formatting, that is not transparent to the disk driver. /Lars There is better translation link here http://www.freetranslation.com/
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xxup		#16 Posted : 13 July 2006 11:15:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 9,612 Location: Australia		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Lars Westerlind <br />... But in this context it has nothing to do with any visible image/picture,... Image is a term (jargon) also used to describe a method whereby a drive is "imaged" to a file.. This file can then be used to extract the exact bits to each sector of a diskette.. This is why I believe that it can only be restored onto a 1.44Mb diskette...
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Lars Westerlind		#17 Posted : 14 July 2006 02:41:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/10/2001(UTC) Posts: 2,379 Location: Lindome, Sweden		Still doesn't explain why. I can't imagine :-) them using any special disk routines, why should they? But they have all the time had special demands on timing when using the serial port; and this has been solved by doing the upgrade without having Windows running at the same time. But I don't know, just find it logical that it has something to with making the Floppy bootable. /Lars
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viragoLDR		#18 Posted : 14 July 2006 03:00:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2005(UTC) Posts: 703 Location: ,		The files needed to make a floppy bootable are different compared to those needed to make a cdrom bootable. So the fact that a disk image meant for diskettes won't write to a cdrom makes sense. One thing you could do is get someone to make the update diskette, then just copy all the files to your pc. Then in a burning tool (like Nero), create a new bootable cd, and add the files you copied from the diskette to the cd. That way you'll have a bootable cd, which will likely boot to DOS, and the required files will be on the cd as well.
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rschaffr		#19 Posted : 14 July 2006 03:13:33(UTC) Retweet
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xxup		#20 Posted : 14 July 2006 11:32:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 9,612 Location: Australia		It gets worse... The floppy drive on the expired COMPAQ PC has a different 34 pin cable than the Floppy cable socket on the new ACER's motherboard... Sigh.. So I can't even swap the floppy drive over.. I hope that the guys at Uhlenbrock make enough money in 2006/2007 to buy a new PC so that they can keep up with the rest of us.. You are absolutely right Ron - it just should not be this hard!
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viragoLDR		#21 Posted : 14 July 2006 12:13:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2005(UTC) Posts: 703 Location: ,		Adrian, that sounds weird. Floppy cables have been standard for a LONG time. Although, Compaq is known to do things differently ;)
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xxup		#22 Posted : 14 July 2006 13:22:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 9,612 Location: Australia		The missing pin is in a different place... Sigh!... I will look at a USB floppy next week... I am scared that ACER may also have a knack for doing things differently..
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pcederstrand		#23 Posted : 14 July 2006 16:44:22(UTC) Retweet
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xxup		#24 Posted : 16 July 2006 12:04:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 9,612 Location: Australia		In the end I purchased a USB floppy drive.... When I checked the internal floppy that the shop had for sale I could see that it was the ACER that was non-standard in this instance... The IB is now at 1.550. Now that I have the diskette, I recon that I can easily make a bootable CD-ROM image for another desperado.. Pity that UB couldn't make the effort to do this for their customers.. If anyone in Brisbane wants their IB updated I will be happy to help..
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Vardex		#25 Posted : 18 July 2006 17:53:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 404 Location: vlaardingen,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by pcederstrand <br /> My oldest laptop has Win98 and with that one I don't need to use a floppy. Download it to PC (over network), unpack it, restart in MS-DOS, and then cd 'the directory where you unpacked' and voila c:\....&gt;ibupdate.exe Done in 10 minutes! Why doing it the hard way,you don't have to change to dos mode. Just download;unpack and run ibupdate.exe. That is all. I think this even works for windowsXP. Just don't download the XP version,but the win9X version. Bart
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H0		#26 Posted : 18 July 2006 19:39:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,467 Location: DE-NW		AFAIK you can simply burn a bootable diskette to a CD-R - and during boot the BIOS of the PC will treat the CD-ROM as drive A: (while a real floppy drive is moved to drive B:). That's the theory - I haven't tried it yet (but will try eventually coz I need a bootable CD for a different problem).
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viragoLDR		#27 Posted : 18 July 2006 20:40:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2005(UTC) Posts: 703 Location: ,		CD-Rom's have a different boot sector compared to diskette. Booting from a CD won't make the A drive cd either, that'll still be the floppy drive. CD drive will be something after the hard drive(s)
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xxup		#28 Posted : 19 July 2006 00:20:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 9,612 Location: Australia		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Vardex <br />Just download;unpack and run ibupdate.exe. That was the problem. The downloadable file was not a compressed archive, but a floppy drive image file and the self extracter mechanism would not start until it saw a drive A:.. Now that it is extracted I thought that I could grab the files and copy them to CD-ROM - BUT the application writes a log file to the floppy diskette and expects the media to be writable... Aaaaarrrrggggghhhh... Understandable really as most XP systems would use a NTFS format that is not visible in a DOS environment. The other option with be to create a RAM disk, but as you say it just gets too complicated..[xx(]
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Lars Westerlind		#29 Posted : 19 July 2006 01:21:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/10/2001(UTC) Posts: 2,379 Location: Lindome, Sweden		I wonder, isn't a dos program runnable on XP if booted via CD? I should know, but I don't, so I ask. If by chance, you could load the Win95 versions of IB-update, and just move the two files in question; the load program and the IB-update. I've done the update too and had severe problems until I remembered that the floppies weren't that reliable. When I switched to an error free floppy, there were no problems whatsoever. But I retain a computer which is at least 15 years old, for this sole reason :-). As I have a traffic logic controlled by a combination of Switch Control, Lissy and Route control a la IB, I very much appreciate the new route buffer which now makes the traffic much more reliable :-) /Lars
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xxup		#30 Posted : 19 July 2006 11:09:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 9,612 Location: Australia		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Lars Westerlind <br />I wonder, isn't a dos program runnable on XP if booted via CD? It is but the problem is that if you only have NTFS file systems, then where does the program write the temporary files (including the log file).. I checked and DOS cannot see any of my hard disks and a CD-ROM is not directly writeable.. Mind you - I wonder how a booting off a USB memory stick would go???
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viragoLDR		#31 Posted : 19 July 2006 13:10:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2005(UTC) Posts: 703 Location: ,		Memory stick should work as long as your mainboard/bios is capable of booting from it. Honestly though, it's really bad that you need an old machine to update the IB. They should at least make a WinXP version, using the serial port on WinXP is really no more difficult than on any other windows version. Just imagine if all you have is a Mac ;)
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Lars Westerlind		#32 Posted : 19 July 2006 13:22:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/10/2001(UTC) Posts: 2,379 Location: Lindome, Sweden		Makes sense to me. Now I think I understand the problem. And I guess the USB stick needs non-DOS drivers to be run... :-( I wonder if one could get hand on an old RAM-disk? Did those need windows, or were they runnable on DOS? I don't remember that either. /Lars
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McLae		#33 Posted : 19 July 2006 18:29:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,575 Location: DeSoto (Dallas area), TX		There was an XP version for 1.50. That is how I updated. I have not tried to update to 1.5.5 yet. (This weekend[:p])
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Vardex		#34 Posted : 19 July 2006 18:58:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 404 Location: vlaardingen,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by xxup <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Vardex <br />Just download;unpack and run ibupdate.exe. That was the problem. The downloadable file was not a compressed archive, but a floppy drive image file and the self extracter mechanism would not start until it saw a drive A:.. Now that it is extracted I thought that I could grab the files and copy them to CD-ROM - BUT the application writes a log file to the floppy diskette and expects the media to be writable... Aaaaarrrrggggghhhh... Understandable really as most XP systems would use a NTFS format that is not visible in a DOS environment. The other option with be to create a RAM disk, but as you say it just gets too complicated..[xx(] I think you don't know what I mean. I have downloaded the windows98 update to my XP computer. Unpacked it,and run ibupdate.exe As far as I can see this should work. I say should;because I can't get hold of my IB right now;but the program runs and detects the NOT being present of an IB. Bart
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jorge_vilarrubi		#35 Posted : 19 July 2006 22:28:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/12/2003(UTC) Posts: 655 Location: Buenos Aires,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Vardex <br /> I think you don't know what I mean. I have downloaded the windows98 update to my XP computer. Unpacked it,and run ibupdate.exe As far as I can see this should work. I say should;because I can't get hold of my IB right now;but the program runs and detects the NOT being present of an IB. Bart Actually, the program WILL run under XP, but the download will be interrupted at random intervals.
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H0		#36 Posted : 20 July 2006 01:33:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,467 Location: DE-NW		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by viragoLDR <br />CD-Rom's have a different boot sector compared to diskette. Booting from a CD won't make the A drive cd either, that'll still be the floppy drive. CD drive will be something after the hard drive(s) I'm sorry, but I have to say you do not know what you are talking about!!! I used a Windows Me emergency boot diskette to create a bootable CD-RW - and it worked exactly as I wrote: after booting from the CD with CD-ROM support, drive A: was the virtual floppy created from the diskette (but booting much faster than a real diskette), drive J: was the CD drive with the data files (on my CD there are two sessions: a 1.40 MB boot image with the virtual diskette (could also be a virtual hard disk if more space is required) and a data session). The real floppy of the computer was drive B: The boot sector of a diskette only knows how to handle diskettes and hard disks. The BIOS of the computer creates a virtual floppy or a virtual hard drive - using BIOS functions this virtual drive is just like a real drive. I used Nero Burning ROM. Select "CD-ROM (Boot)", go to to the Boot tab and select Drive A: to get a bootable CD from a bootable diskette. Users without floppy will need a friend with a floppy and a CD writer - takes only 5 or 10 minutes to create a boot CD. Any state-of-the-art CD writer software should support this.
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viragoLDR		#37 Posted : 20 July 2006 12:25:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2005(UTC) Posts: 703 Location: ,		Nero copies files it needs to boot from the diskette and burns those the cd. Filesystems of diskettes and cd-roms are different, as are the boot sectors. If you create a bootable cd, boot from that, and have it create a virtual floppy, that doesn't mean the cd has the same bootsector as a diskette. To test, try to make an image of a bootable diskette using a backup tool, and then burn that image to a cd using the same backup tool, I highly doubt it will boot. Also, the BIOS doesn't create any disks, once you get past the POST, the OS will take over. Wether the OS is a simple cut-down version of DOS from a bootdisk, or a full windows/unix/linux system doesn't make a difference. Of course, all of this doesn't matter, fact is, the updating method for IB isn't very userfriendly if you have a somewhat more modern machine ;)
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H0		#38 Posted : 20 July 2006 18:43:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,467 Location: DE-NW		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by viragoLDR <br />If you create a bootable cd, boot from that, and have it create a virtual floppy, that doesn't mean the cd has the same bootsector as a diskette. The MS-DOS kernel does not support CD-ROMs. Nero allows me to create a MS-DOS boot CD. Are you saying that Nero patches a CD-ROM support into the MS-DOS boot sector? And Nero can also do that with a FreeDOS boot sector? No! It's the BIOS that tells the OS which drives are available. The OS boot sector uses BIOS INT 13 to access the boot drive - and that's how the emulation works: using INT 13 it looks like a real floppy with the original boot sector, but it's a session on the CD. Info from Microsoft: "The El Torito specification allows for the creation of a CD-ROM as an image of a hard disk drive or a floppy drive. When you make an image of a hard disk, the CD-ROM will boot as drive C and all hard disk drive letters will be shifted up one letter. When booting a floppy disk image, the CD-ROM will be identified as drive A. The original drive A will become drive B and the original drive B will be unavailable." http://support.microsoft...px?scid=kb;EN-US;q167685 That's exactly what I saw when I tried it. I haven't tried the IB diskette, but it should work also. It's correct that the CD contains more than the diskette image - there are some data blocks that mark the CD as an El Torito CD and tell the BIOS how to use it: floppy emulation, hard disk emulation, or no emulation. All these blocks will not be visible if you use the CD after you booted another OS.
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McLae		#39 Posted : 20 July 2006 20:20:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,575 Location: DeSoto (Dallas area), TX		OK, a contest here. Whoever gets a bootable CD to correctly run the 1.55 update, post the ISO image of the CD for the rest of us.
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viragoLDR		#40 Posted : 20 July 2006 20:45:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2005(UTC) Posts: 703 Location: ,		First of all, El Torito bootdisks aren't regular bootdisks. A regular bootdisk does nothing other than boot the machine and load the very basics. I can create a bootable cd using Nero in about 3 steps, as compared to the god knows how many steps on the Microsoft page. The bootable CD I make will NOT be the A drive, nor the C drive, and it will NOT shift all hard disks up 1 drive letter. And yes, the BIOS defines which drives are in a computer, but it doesn't create virtual drives after the machine is already booted. McLae, I don't have an IB, I could create a CD image, but there's no way I can test if it works or not. Edit: also, it seems the ibupdate programs write a log file, but since cd's aren't usually writable, that will cause a problem. Edit 2: just downloaded the win95/98 version, unpacked it, and ran ibupdate. Gives me a couple of questions, then pops up with some error where I just selected ignore, and then it tries to update, but no IB, so ;) I'm using Windows Vista Beta 2 here at the moment though. Anyways, a DOS update program for a piece of hardware that was released when window was the most used OS seems a bit off. The fact that the update can take up to 10 mins makes no sense either really. Yet another reason not to buy the IB =)
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H0		#41 Posted : 21 July 2006 22:42:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,467 Location: DE-NW		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by viragoLDR <br />First of all, El Torito bootdisks aren't regular bootdisks. A regular bootdisk does nothing other than boot the machine and load the very basics. The CD that installs Windows XP/Windows 2000/Windows NT is also an El Torito CD - and I consider them regular boot disks. Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by viragoLDR <br />I can create a bootable cd using Nero in about 3 steps, as compared to the god knows how many steps on the Microsoft page. Yes - the How-To is outdated; Nero makes this process quite simple. Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by viragoLDR <br />The bootable CD I make will NOT be the A drive, nor the C drive, and it will NOT shift all hard disks up 1 drive letter. The bootable CD I created with Nero from a Win98 EBD behaved exactly as described in the Microsoft article. Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by viragoLDR <br />And yes, the BIOS defines which drives are in a computer, but it doesn't create virtual drives after the machine is already booted. It creates a virtual floppy drive before the computer is booted - the computer boots from the virtual drive. El Torito is a specification by Phoenix and IBM; detailed information can be found on the Phoenix homepage: http://www.phoenix.com/e...re+Documents/default.htm under "PC Industry Specifications ": "El Torito" Bootable CD-ROM Format It's as Maxi wrote: creating a bootable CD from the bootable diskette is quite simple; but I presume that neither diskette nor CD will work if the IB is connected via a USB-to-serial interface. I just downloaded the IB update and will see what I can do with it.
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H0		#42 Posted : 21 July 2006 23:28:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,467 Location: DE-NW		I have good news and bad news. Good news: I created a bootable CD from the IBUPDATE diskette. The diskette contains MS-DOS 6.22 to boot the PC. Bad news #1: The IBUPDATE program does not run from a write-protected diskette (and the CD is write-protected). If you have Windows XP, Windows 2000 or Windows NT, you'll either need a diskette drive or a hard disk drive with a FAT partition in order to run the program; the CD won't help you if you only have NTFS drives on your computer. Too bad that IBUPDATE cannot run without writing a log file. Bad news #2: I don't know where to publish the ISO file (ZIP file, 891 kB). Anybody who still wants it can send me a PN and I will e-mail it. It seems we still have to find solutions for computers with Windows XP - without floppy drive and without FAT partitions - with floppy drive, but with USB-to-serial interface. We have a solution for XP computers without floppy drive but with a FAT partition on hard disk (please note: the ISO file I created supports FAT12 and FAT16, but not FAT32; for FAT32 a different ISO file will be required).
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Lars Westerlind		#43 Posted : 21 July 2006 23:44:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/10/2001(UTC) Posts: 2,379 Location: Lindome, Sweden		IMHO, it appears as exactly what xxup explained to me. So the question could be put other way: - Is a USB memory stick runnable under under DOS in any circumstance? In my experience they are at least FAT formatted. But I guess they have no driver working for DOS... - Wouldn't it be possible to get hold of an old RAM-disk, software that emulates a (FAT) disk in memory? Booting with the CD, copy the files to the RAM-disk and just run? To me this sounds the most promising, provided you have a serial port controlled by DOS. - If you use a USB adapter, I would guess you could forget about updating this way. The whole reason for Uhlenbrock not to allow Windows beeing active during update, is that they want to have control of the timing of the serial transmission. I don't think this is possible when an adapter is used. Please correct me if need. /Lars
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H0		#44 Posted : 22 July 2006 00:07:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,467 Location: DE-NW		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Lars Westerlind <br />- Wouldn't it be possible to get hold of an old RAM-disk, software that emulates a (FAT) disk in memory? Booting with the CD, copy the files to the RAM-disk and just run? To me this sounds the most promising, provided you have a serial port controlled by DOS. Clever idea - hadn't thought about that. Using the emergency boot diskette from Windows 98 will automatically create a RAM-disk. And it also includes CD drivers, so you can have both the Win98 EBD and the IBUPDATE diskettes on one CD. But I daren't publish an ISO image of the Win98 EBD coz it infringes Microsoft's copyright (I suppose). However you can find them at http://www.allbootdisks.com/ (see ISO images / download). Create one CD for the Win98 boot diskette or WinMe boot diskette, one CD for the Win98 version of the IBUPDATE; boot from the Win-CD, then insert the IBUPDATE CD, copy the programs to the RAM disk, and run them from that. I haven't tried it, but I guess it should work.
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Vardex		#45 Posted : 22 July 2006 11:34:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 404 Location: vlaardingen,		I am no computer expert;but the solution seems rather aesy to me. Create a new drive and install win3X or 9X in it. Download the update. Restart in 3X and run ibupdate. Or am I talking Bllsht right now? Bart
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viragoLDR		#46 Posted : 22 July 2006 19:11:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2005(UTC) Posts: 703 Location: ,		Uhlenbrock should just get off their lazy asses and write an updater that just runs from within windows ;)
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H0		#47 Posted : 24 July 2006 01:08:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,467 Location: DE-NW		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Vardex <br />I am no computer expert;but the solution seems rather aesy to me. Create a new drive and install win3X or 9X in it. Download the update. Restart in 3X and run ibupdate. Or am I talking Bullsht right now? Bart I wanted to suggest something of that kind, too. There are tools like Partition Magic that allow you to shrink and move existing partitions to make space for new partitions and/or new logical drives. Don't know of any free software that does that trick, but I'm sure there are some (e.g. for people who want to try Linux). This can be done, but you will need another "primary partition" which you will have to mark as active in order to boot from it. It's more easy to create a new logical disk with e.g. FAT12/FAT16/FAT32 (8 MB would be enough), copy the IBUPDATE to that disk, then boot from CD with CD-ROM support and run IBUPDATE from the harddisk so it can create its log file.
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H0		#48 Posted : 24 July 2006 13:38:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,467 Location: DE-NW		I wrote to Uhlenbrock and told them about the problem (Windows XP without floppy drive). I even suggested that we could provide them with an ISO file. Their response: Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Wir machen uns zur Zeit Gedanken über eine Lösung für das 'XP-Problem'....Vielen Dank für Ihr Angebot ! Mit freundlichen Grüßen Ihr Uhlenbrock Service Team Means: we are thinking about a solution to the problem.
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