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Offline Westfield Depot  
#1 Posted : 04 December 2009 02:04:21(UTC)
Westfield Depot


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Being about 25 years out of date with these anniversary celebrations, I just bought from my dealer a brand spanking new 3108 Class 44 125 Anniversary loc. It looked beautiful after all those years sitting on the shelf until I removed it from the box only to find the foam carton had left stains and small little globs of foam stuck on the side and edges of the tender. Yuk! I guess 1984 styrofoam has not stood the test of time well. Has anyone experienced this and more over do you know of a way to remove the foam stains without damaging the paint? I've tried water and goo gone to no avail. This is really a disaster as the loc itself is perfect but I fear the poor tender might be lost or in need of a total repaint.

Chris
Chris
Modeling Märklin Epoch I K.W.St.E. in Ohio USA
Offline mike c  
#2 Posted : 04 December 2009 02:43:58(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Westfield Depot
<br />Being about 25 years out of date with these anniversary celebrations, I just bought from my dealer a brand spanking new 3108 Class 44 125 Anniversary loc. It looked beautiful after all those years sitting on the shelf until I removed it from the box only to find the foam carton had left stains and small little globs of foam stuck on the side and edges of the tender. Yuk! I guess 1984 styrofoam has not stood the test of time well. Has anyone experienced this and more over do you know of a way to remove the foam stains without damaging the paint? I've tried water and goo gone to no avail. This is really a disaster as the loc itself is perfect but I fear the poor tender might be lost or in need of a total repaint.

Chris


There was a post on the roundhouse.ch site from Swiss specialty shop Friho where they were offering to restore old Fulgurex diesel loks from a styrofoam/foam damaged condition, so we know that such damage can be repaired.

Whether this would involve sanding and repainting the model, which the Friho offer seened to imply, is not entirely clear.
If you bought the item recently from a dealer, you should be able to return it. At the same time, it should still be covered by some sort of factory warranty (if it is brand new).
The fact that you have applied "goo gone" may cause problems with any claim. It is always better to make official enquiries before trying any do-it yourself solutions.

3108 is not listed on the Maerklin Spare Parts list, so I can't tell if a replacement tender shell is available for this item. There are a few BR 44 models for which parts lists are available. The tender shell for 37889 for example, lists at 15 EUR.

Your best bet would be to contact service@maerklin.de and see whether they can be of assistance to you.

Regards

Mike C
Offline obxbill  
#3 Posted : 04 December 2009 05:23:41(UTC)
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I had a similar problem some years ago with some Rivarossi loks from the late '60's. I got them clean, but it's gonna take me a bit to remember how I did it. Hopefully I can give you a more helpful answer shortly.

Bill
Marklin HO and Z also Hornby 00 and US 2-rail
Offline Westfield Depot  
#4 Posted : 04 December 2009 06:04:22(UTC)
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Mike - thanks for the idea of ordering a replacement shell. I hadn't thought of that. The 3108 is essentially a nostalgic re-make of the classic 3047 (I think that number is correct) released for the 125th anniversary. I believe any tender shell from those early generation class 44's would work. Of course the road number is the issue. I do a lot of painting and weathering in the other model railroading I do so I could probably come up with a close match to the black and just repaint it. Worst case I could weather the loc to hide/blend things in. That's all more than I really wanted to do with this model but it is what it is. I could also return it to my dealer.

Bill - If you remember what you did please let me know.

Thanks all.

Chris
Chris
Modeling Märklin Epoch I K.W.St.E. in Ohio USA
Offline walters48  
#5 Posted : 04 December 2009 22:50:01(UTC)
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Chris,
If you are going to consider repainting anyway, you may want to try acetone to dissolve/remove the stains and residue. It's a pretty strong solvent, so perhaps try a test rub w/ a Q-Tip on an inconspicuous area of the tender, if possible. Also, acetone is poisonous(via ingestion, vapor inhalation and probably dermal absorption) and extremely flammable.
Please be very careful if you decide to try it.
Regards,
Chas
Offline Westfield Depot  
#6 Posted : 05 December 2009 00:13:20(UTC)
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I spoke with a friend who, it turns out, years ago worked in the styrofoam industry. He explained to me that the foam is created by mixing talc, plastic pellets and a solvent under high pressure. Apparently after manufacture, there is a period in which the fresh foam off gasses a majority of the solvent. After that a small amount of solvent remains and is slowly off gassed for some weeks or months. If a product is packaged when the foam is still too fresh that little remaining solvent can off gas and damage the product, in this case my locomotive, usually by dissolving the plastic or attacking the finish. Painted products tend to protect the plastic by sacrificing the finish. In the US, some older Lionel and American Flyer cars were manufactured by coloring the plastic so no paint was required. These often exhibit spots where the solvent from the foam packaging attacked the plastic and melted or distorted it. Apparently, if they had been painted only the finish would have been damaged and the cars would have been easily repairable.

Learn something new every day.

Chris

Chris
Chris
Modeling Märklin Epoch I K.W.St.E. in Ohio USA
Offline Armando  
#7 Posted : 05 December 2009 19:38:07(UTC)
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It is a good idea to wrap all locomotives and coaches in silk paper in their styrofoam cradles to protect them from these styrofoam damages. My personal experience is that one the styrofoam has clung to the surface, the damage cannot be repaired.

Best regards,
Armando García

Offline Eurobahnfan  
#8 Posted : 05 December 2009 23:55:12(UTC)
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Good idea Armando. I'm curious if thin sheet plastic would work as well... or acid-free tissue paper.

Another concern I have regarding the foam packing material is the soft foam used in the collector's tins, i.e., those Treffwagens and other special items made over the years. I once had a non-train item packed in such material that was stored for close to twenty years. When I finally opened the package, the foam had literally disintegrated, leaving behind a sticky black substance that stained the item. Although I was able to clean it off with some furniture polish, I've never forgotten the initial anguish. I check my "soft-foam" wagens from time to time to make sure a similar problem isn't taking place with them, but I often wonder if it's only a matter of time before a similar disaster strikes.

Steve
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