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Offline john black  
#1 Posted : 17 January 2006 23:54:56(UTC)
john black

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Now after a total running time of only 2 hours my E254 (#3335) analog Gator's Electronic Reverse Unit (part #24, made by SIEMENS) is broken, again !!! Sometimes it switches to "Reverse", sometimes not. But most of the time it makes the loco sailing into the sunset, full throttle. Piece of junk ... [xx(][xx(][xx(]

I think I'll convert her to digital, soon [:p] (if such goes on there won't be that many analog ones left, anymore)

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Offline David Dewar  
#2 Posted : 18 January 2006 00:23:08(UTC)
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I would go for digital John and keep your gator in top shape.

David
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Offline john black  
#3 Posted : 18 January 2006 00:29:57(UTC)
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Right, David. The <u>only</u> analog locos really worth to preserve in their original condition are those with the classic Electromechanical Reverse Units - they last (almost) forever. Those from my two Sons' from the early 1980s are still going strong Smile

John
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AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only.
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Offline orubias  
#4 Posted : 18 January 2006 00:45:42(UTC)
orubias

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Sorry to hear that, John (not the digital way).

Band on the run
Offline john black  
#5 Posted : 18 January 2006 01:15:42(UTC)
john black

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Thanks, Orubias. Another solution were back to dealer - got enough locos for my small layout, already [:I]

John
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AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only.
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Offline Purellum  
#6 Posted : 18 January 2006 03:02:11(UTC)
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Hello John. Maybe a little fun will help:

A guy walks into a bar with a pet alligator by his side. He puts the
Alligator up on the bar. He turns to the astonished patrons. "I'll
make you a deal. I'll open this alligator's mouth and place my
genitals inside. Then the gator will close his mouth for one minute.
He'll then open his mouth and I'll remove my unit unscathed. In
return for witnessing this spectacle, each of you will buy me a
drink." The crowd murmured their approval. The man stood up on the
bar, dropped his trousers, and placed his privates in the alligator's
open mouth. The gator closed his mouth as the crowd gasped. After a
minute, the man grabbed a beer bottle and rapped the alligator
hard on the top of its head. The gator opened his mouth and the man
removed his genitals unscathed as promised. The crowd cheered and the
first of his free drinks were delivered. The man stood up again and
made another offer. "I'll pay anyone ¤100 who's willing to give it a
try". A hush fell over the crowd. After a while, a hand went up in
the back of the bar. A woman timidly spoke up. "I'll try, but you have
to promise not to hit me on the head with the beer bottle".


Or one specially rewritten for you:

A man takes his Gator to the vet. "My Gator can't reverse, is there
anything you can do for him?" The vet, "let's have a look at him."
So he picks the gator up and examines his eyes, then checks his
teeth. Finally, he says, "I'm going to have to put him down."
"What? Because he can't reverse? " "No, because he's really heavy

Or:

http://www.crocodilian.c...crocfaq/faq-7.html#8.4.3

See-your-alligator-later. biggrinbiggrinbiggrin

Per.
If you can dream it, you can do it!

I, the copyright holder of this work, hereby release it into the public domain. This applies worldwide.

In case this is not legally possible:
I grant anyone the right to use this work for any purpose, without any conditions, unless such conditions are required by law.

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Offline jorge_vilarrubi  
#7 Posted : 18 January 2006 03:10:26(UTC)
jorge_vilarrubi


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Posts: 655
Location: Buenos Aires,
Hi John, you can install cheap Andi decoders from Uhlenbrock and use them as reverse units.
Address is programmable in the 1-80 range, no inertia, no load regulation, but a really low price.
If you want a high performance decoder for your AC loks, you can install Uhlenbrock 76200, with load control on AC motors, no motor change needed and excellet performance.
All these decoders are analog AC compatible and digital at the same time.
Put some bucks inside your Loks... you'll enjoy the results!.
Cheers,
Jorge Vilarrubí
Buenos Aires
ARGENTINA
Offline john black  
#8 Posted : 18 January 2006 03:16:20(UTC)
john black

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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Purellum
<br />"I'll try, but you have to promise not to hit me on the head with the beer bottle"

HA HA HA - a great one biggrinbiggrinbiggrin !!! Many thanks, Per - it surely helped Smile

(still with tears in my eyes ... biggrin)
I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators.
AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only.
CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ...
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Offline john black  
#9 Posted : 18 January 2006 03:23:12(UTC)
john black

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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by jorge_vilarrubi
<br />If you want a high performance decoder for your AC loks, you can install Uhlenbrock 76200, with load control on AC motors, no motor change needed and excellet performance ... analog AC compatible and digital at the same time


Hi Jorge: Cool, that's my ticket. You really made my day - many thanks, my friend SmileSmileSmile
I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators.
AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only.
CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ...
Outlaw Member of BIG JUHAN's OUTSIDER CLUB. With the most members, worldwide

Offline plavnostruev  
#10 Posted : 18 January 2006 03:54:54(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Purellum
<br />Hello John. Maybe a little fun will help:

A guy walks into a bar with a pet alligator by his side...


And another one for John:

This was from "Far Side". A picture of a woman with a
dog and a man with a pet alligator by his side in the park.
Alligator is eating the dog, woman is screaming and the man
says "Man, this is a great way to meet women!".biggrinbiggrinbiggrin

Mike
Offline McLae  
#11 Posted : 18 January 2006 05:08:54(UTC)
McLae


Joined: 16/07/2002(UTC)
Posts: 1,575
Location: DeSoto (Dallas area), TX
I have not gotten around to my 3335 yet, but most of my other gators (Except for one 1020) are now digital. I updated the motors with the motor parts from the 60904 (with 8-tooth rotor) and a NEM socket from Uhl.. For testing, I pop in a Lokpilot. When everything is OK, they get a Loksound.

Since you have a MS, you could drop in the MFX version.biggrin (ESU makes the MFx decoders with 8-pin plugs.) How much fun could a MFX 'Gator be?[}:)]

You may not want to bother with sound though, I find that the sound of the motor is almost as loud as the motor sound.wink[:I] The UH part number is 71-621.

If you do not want to do the change yourseld, DCCTRAIN does a good job.Smile
The McLae
IB digital, DB, OBB, SBB epII-V
Providing a home for little lost 'Gators
Offline john black  
#12 Posted : 18 January 2006 12:42:54(UTC)
john black

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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by plavnostruev
<br />"Man, this is a great way to meet women!"

Mike - if I were single I'd give this one a try, immediately biggrinbiggrinbiggrin

Thomas: Thanks for the ideas, and you're right with the sound. Having two C-Sinus Gators w/sound, already, there's definitely no need for a third. Jorge's nice U76200 will just do Smile
BTW, I do avoid MFX whenever possible. Got no use for it ...
I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators.
AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only.
CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ...
Outlaw Member of BIG JUHAN's OUTSIDER CLUB. With the most members, worldwide

Offline jorge_vilarrubi  
#13 Posted : 18 January 2006 15:08:57(UTC)
jorge_vilarrubi


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Posts: 655
Location: Buenos Aires,
Some additional information about Uhl76200: this multiprotocol decoder is an evolution of the 75200, which was Motorola only.
The old 75200 didn't perform well with the new DCM motors and the original three-pole armature, it needed a 5-pole one.
The new 76200 works really very well with the original 3-pole armature and it is Mot and DCC compatible with SUSI interface for adding an Intellisound, wich is done by simply plugging the sound to the 76200.
A very good option, IMHO.
Cheers,
Jorge Vilarrubí
Buenos Aires
ARGENTINA
Offline Guus  
#14 Posted : 18 January 2006 16:08:53(UTC)
Guus

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Hi John,

Sorry to hear your original reversing unit is broken.
Nevertheless,good luck with the proposed Uhlenbrock conversion.Must give a very rewarding feeling after that's done and it's up and running again.

Kind regards
Guus
Kind regards,
Guus
Offline john black  
#15 Posted : 18 January 2006 21:37:02(UTC)
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Thanks, Guus Smile - one of my dealers has it in stock for €35 only, should arrive by next week ...

Edit: Hi Jorge, two hours ago UPS delivered them - had to install the first one, immediately. Well, this decoder is a dream - way better than that M60903 plus 5-pole in my Swedish DA.

Powered with only the stock 3-pole LFCM the E254 runs SUPER SMOOTHLY now, VERY SILENT too. Comes close to my C-sinus Gators, no kidding. It's unbelievable ... [:p][:p][:p]

Well, since you recommended UH76200 I had ordered three of them. More conversions to follow ...
Jorge, my friend - thanks, again. Allow my to raise my Heineken to honor you: SKOL TO OUR GURU !!! biggrin

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I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators.
AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only.
CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ...
Outlaw Member of BIG JUHAN's OUTSIDER CLUB. With the most members, worldwide

Offline jorge_vilarrubi  
#16 Posted : 31 January 2006 03:32:59(UTC)
jorge_vilarrubi


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Hi John, glad to know you're satisfied with your new 76200.
The silent running is due to the high frequency used to drive the motor.
As you certainly should have noticed, it has two additional function outputs, so you can, e.g., install a couple leds in the cabins and have them controlled independently thru F1/F2. Sounds good?
More fun for the same price...
Best regards,
Jorge Vilarrubí
Buenos Aires
ARGENTINA
Offline McLae  
#17 Posted : 31 January 2006 04:26:07(UTC)
McLae


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Location: DeSoto (Dallas area), TX
I have two Gators with a previous version of Uh decoder.
The Lokpilots work better for me.

Glad to see the newer version is better.biggrin
The McLae
IB digital, DB, OBB, SBB epII-V
Providing a home for little lost 'Gators
Offline john black  
#18 Posted : 31 January 2006 13:49:45(UTC)
john black

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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by jorge_vilarrubi
<br />... install a couple leds in the cabins and have them controlled independently thru F1/F2. Sounds good? More fun for the same price ...

Very good, Jorge. This one will become a SUPER GATOR biggrin
I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators.
AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only.
CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ...
Outlaw Member of BIG JUHAN's OUTSIDER CLUB. With the most members, worldwide

Offline jorge_vilarrubi  
#19 Posted : 31 January 2006 21:57:19(UTC)
jorge_vilarrubi


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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by McLae
<br />I have two Gators with a previous version of Uh decoder.
The Lokpilots work better for me.biggrin

You need to install a field (permanent) magnet for a Lopi, you can save that money if you install an U76200.
Jorge Vilarrubí
Buenos Aires
ARGENTINA
Offline efel  
#20 Posted : 02 February 2006 00:54:55(UTC)
efel

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Posts: 800
Hi,
I have also used the 76200 to replace an old 6080.
First of all, I'd like to draw your attention on a mistake in the manual, concerning the connections of F1, F2: to avoid flickering, the return wire of the lamps should be connected to the RED wire (+20V), and not to the black one, as written (schwarzen kabel).
Then, I appreciate the "dimmung" possibility for the lights and function, that can be programmed with a 6021 or MS (LP offers also that possibility, but the CV# is &gt;80, and cannot be programmed with MS/6021).
Now concerning the running, it is far better than the 6080! Nevertheless, I can't reach the smoothness of acceleration of the 6090x of my other M locos: there are "stairs" in the acceleration process. I tried to modified CV 54 and 55, but reach only small improvement.
Any tricks / comments are welcome!
Fred
Offline jorge_vilarrubi  
#21 Posted : 02 February 2006 03:51:42(UTC)
jorge_vilarrubi


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Posts: 655
Location: Buenos Aires,
Hi Fred, 76200 has a soldering point where you can take +20V from.
It is indicated as (rot) in the instructions leaflet, but actually it is not the same red wire coming from the pickup shoe. It is the +pole of the internal rectifier instead.
Programming CVs greater than 80 with a 6021: you can find the instructions under "Page-Register zur Eingabe von CV_Nummern grösser 79".
Yes... I know, german text...
To improve the transit thru the stairsteps, you can increase the value stored in CV3, acceleration inertia.
I use all my decoders in DCC/28 or DCC/128 (Intellibox) mode and this eliminates the problem of 14 seed steps, but you can't do that with a 6021.
Think on an Intellibox or an ECoS...
Have fun,
Jorge Vilarrubí
Buenos Aires
ARGENTINA
Offline McLae  
#22 Posted : 02 February 2006 07:18:12(UTC)
McLae


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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:You need to install a field (permanent) magnet for a Lopi, you can save that money if you install an U76200.


The full motor parts kit (as spare parts) can be ordered for less than 20$. Motor + Lokpilot might be less than 76200 by itself.[:p]

The better running is worth the motor upgrade. Less motor noise, smoother running, CV programming.... For me, Lokpilot is just better.Smile
The McLae
IB digital, DB, OBB, SBB epII-V
Providing a home for little lost 'Gators
Offline efel  
#23 Posted : 02 February 2006 16:39:11(UTC)
efel

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Posts: 800
Jorge,
Thanks for your quick answer, as usual!
I agree the lights have to be connected to the +20V ("red"). I just noticed that in my leaflet (09.04 version), it is written to connect it to the black cable: that may lead to confusion for the black is the decoder ground!
I tried also modifying CV3: that only modifies the time between 2 steps, but the steps in themselves are as hard as before.
Regards,
Fred
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