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Offline Purellum  
#1 Posted : 17 January 2006 01:02:28(UTC)
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Hallo friends. I have seen several times on Ebay the 5739 and 5740 "Rottenkraftwagen" sold, with the informatin: Made by Hüebner for Märklin. Does anyone have further information on this, is it correct, were other models made by Hüebner, what years, and so on confusedconfusedconfused

Only "proof" I have on a cooperation between the two, is in my 95/96 catalogue, where 1_gauge tracks from Hüebner is in the Märklin catalogue.

Thank you.

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Offline Sam  
#2 Posted : 17 January 2006 04:13:59(UTC)
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Is this a good thing or a bad thing for Marklin? Was Huebner's stuff any good? I'm not familiar with them other than they went out of business,.
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Offline Purellum  
#3 Posted : 17 January 2006 05:02:45(UTC)
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It is not meant to be a good/bad thing, just curios/interested. ( Trying to make a list of all 1 gauge M*-locs, with as much details as possible. ) I only know Hüebner from the net, most Ebay, and I've seen a few "live" on exibitions. They are superb in detail, and you see the cars going at rather high prices on Ebay compared to Märklin.

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Offline 7gauges  
#4 Posted : 17 January 2006 05:11:56(UTC)
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I have the Huebner DB Railbus and the Huebner E94 German Krok - as well as wagons, a set of Bogenweicgen and other track (as well as automobiles) - they are all made in China - but of the highest quality - and very reasonbly priced. The detailing is much better than Maerklin - and the all use Loksound decoders (they understand DCC and Dc) - they can run no problem with the LGB stuff. The couplers are Maerklin compatible - but much more robust. Huebner is for sale - as the owner is apparently ill - don't know who'll but them - but some great deals can be found on their website - I like the Br 333 sets with tracks and cars and their switch motors, especially.
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Offline Munich 1860  
#5 Posted : 17 January 2006 12:30:54(UTC)
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Hübner was instrumental in improving standards at Märklin I a couple of years ago. Hübner developped things for Märklin. Somebody once told me the then new turnouts (wider angle) were made by Hübner, and that Märklin quality deteriorated when the two companies had a fall out.

On the other side, that kind of story can be heard every time you spend more than 25 minutes in a hobby shop close enough to the dealer and his best customer while they chat "Märklin policy" ...

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Offline Davy  
#6 Posted : 17 January 2006 13:03:58(UTC)
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Hubner is stopped. There is no upfollower. So there will be no more hubner. It is also much more expensive then the expensive Marklin I.
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Offline 7gauges  
#7 Posted : 17 January 2006 15:12:34(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Hubner is stopped. There is no upfollower. So there will be no more hubner. It is also much more expensive then the expensive Marklin I.


Actually you are incorrect - Huebner is not more expensive than Maerklin - it is precisely the same price point - if you would review their specific offerings this point would be clear to you.

Furthermore they are still in business at least until the end of March and have recently ordered and received items from them (in the last week).

The rumour I heard is that KISS (not the band) will be acquiring Huebner's inventory and production - KISS's stuff is all metal and as expensive (in the case of their Br 44) or much more expensive (their Br 10)than any remotely equivalent Maerklin.
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Offline Sam  
#8 Posted : 18 January 2006 04:47:44(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by 7gauges
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Hubner is stopped. There is no upfollower. So there will be no more hubner. It is also much more expensive then the expensive Marklin I.


Actually you are incorrect - Huebner is not more expensive than Maerklin - it is precisely the same price point - if you would review their specific offerings this point would be clear to you.

Furthermore they are still in business at least until the end of March and have recently ordered and received items from them (in the last week).

The rumour I heard is that KISS (not the band) will be acquiring Huebner's inventory and production - KISS's stuff is all metal and as expensive (in the case of their Br 44) or much more expensive (their Br 10)than any remotely equivalent Maerklin.


If KISS were to acquire them; I can't see KISS producing in China.. what would they do with their production capacity in China?

I am very close to pulling the trigger on a KISS model, just not sure which one to get!
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Offline Sam  
#9 Posted : 18 January 2006 05:01:46(UTC)
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BTW... do you have a link to the Hubner site? I can't google them, there are dozens of German Hubner companies!
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Offline Purellum  
#10 Posted : 18 January 2006 05:35:14(UTC)
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Offline 7gauges  
#11 Posted : 18 January 2006 05:35:55(UTC)
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[quoteIf KISS were to acquire them; I can't see KISS producing in China.. what would they do with their production capacity in China?

I am very close to pulling the trigger on a KISS model, just not sure which one to get!
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Get the KISS BR 41 - the marklin Br 44 was only 600 Euro less so the pricing is similar (2499 vs 3090 euro then subtract 17% VAT). Kiss also has the same BR94.5 Maerklin does - for more, but the preorder price was the same as Maerklin's price.

I like the Huebner BR 61 - it's next on the list.

Huebner link: http://www.huebner-modellbahn.de/

The Huebner site is all in German - their tracks and switches are superior to Maerklin's and they work together w/o any problems.

The KISS link to my dream model: http://www.kiss-modellba...le=content.BR_10.inc.php

On the Br 10 - I guess it's the old adage: if you have to ask the price you can't afford it - I think it's over 8000 euro - that's 80% of my hobby budget for 2006.
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Offline Sam  
#12 Posted : 20 January 2006 01:42:05(UTC)
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Kiss does make some amazing models... even if you never run them and just display them, The BR 10 being a prime example.

I am interested in the E10 as my theme for my 1 gauge will be e-loks.. I am hoping to find one pop up on ebay for about $2K.. I'm patient, because I was going to get my E91 when the price was close to $2500, and I waited patiently and got it for almost 1/2...
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#13 Posted : 20 January 2006 02:01:41(UTC)
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For what its worth Marklin USA imported Hubner under that name for many years, so they are seperate lines but Marklin USA doesn't carry anything else so there must have been an interesting relationship there.

Sam: Still hunting, prices are becomming more and more negotiable so I'm taking a bit of time looking for the right place.
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Offline Purellum  
#14 Posted : 20 January 2006 02:26:23(UTC)
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Hello friends. Just found a page from Tirol that claims the V100 was bought from Huebner by Märklin.

http://members.aon.at/spur1_tirol/page_4_4.html

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Offline 7gauges  
#15 Posted : 20 January 2006 04:03:49(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Hello friends. Just found a page from Tirol that claims the V100 was bought from Huebner by Märklin.


.... so what? Marklin got the Rottenkraftwagen and the T3 from Huebner as well - and they are fine models - incidentally made in Germany by Huebner (not China like the current models - which are fantastic) - the original Marklin gauge 1 live steam engine was a Regner design / manufacture - the new live steam Br 18 is a Maerklin model made in Hungary - the Bavarian Ludwig (gauge 1) is from a manufacturer in Korea (who advertises the fact they made the models for Maerklin on their Website).

The original MAX1 production was from the Czech Republik - and made by the same guys who bring you ETS 0 gauge tinplate trains - mostly the locos - some of the cars were made by Maerklin in Hungary.

The 1 gauge kroks and the older E91 are 100% Maerklin Germany - the new BR 94 is Chinese in origin.
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Offline Purellum  
#16 Posted : 20 January 2006 05:04:24(UTC)
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.... so what? As said earlier I’m just interested in the facts about the details,
not claiming anything good/bad.

Thank you for the details.

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