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hmsfix		#51 Posted : 19 November 2005 01:01:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/02/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,383 Location: Darmstadt,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by john black <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by ulf999 <br />I believe all the newer american cars (45801, 45800, etc...) are China made Ulf: I guess M's whole new line of U.S. models (id est: cars and locos) is made in China. However, this is o.k. for me. Since they look great, are nicely detailed, run perfectly well and give me not the slightest trouble [:p] We Western nations sometimes tend to forget the fact how dramatically the East has developed during the last decade. This isn't anymore only the cheap mass production from the 1980s and 1990s. They are clever and they've learned to build also top quality at resonable production costs - in case their partners look for such and are willing to pay for. John There is a report on lok production (GG-1) in the recent "Märklin Magazin", showing that casing, frame etc. are indeed produced in Göppingen. Maybe the decoder chips come from Japan, Korea, Taiwan, China, Singapore, Malaysia... But I agree, that's only a matter of price, not of quality. Hans Martin
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jonquinn		#52 Posted : 19 November 2005 01:34:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,591 Location: Pennsylvania		didn't we wait a year for the CS? no doubt debugging problems at IB too. And concerning marklin - I would say this is yet another big black mark for the black hole called SAP business software. I predicted this in a post a few months ago. SAP is the biggest piece of crap software ever unloaded on unsuspecting dupes, I mean CEOs, ever. I know my present employer paid out $80 million US for this P.O.S, and then when it didn't work to expectations, had to pay another $80 million. Who knows if that was all really legit too? For as bas as this software is, and its awful record (several companies lost big $ and some even declared bankruptcy because it confused matters so much) - all I can figure is that SAP sales must really have some sweet kickbacks or perks to the fools who sign the checks to them. I've heard marklin uses this crap, and like I said before, it is no good, unless your making chemicals. If you make parts, finished goods, metal slabs, whatever, it is the most cumbersome management software ever made. No doubt other underlying causes to marklins woes, but SAP does SUCK!
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john black		#53 Posted : 19 November 2005 01:38:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by hmsfix <br />There is a report on lok production (GG-1) in the recent "Märklin Magazin", showing that casing, frame etc. are indeed produced in Göppingen Thanks, Hans Martin. I believe you, naturally. And as long as they are made in Western Germany - the better But why then all this trouble with BR50, BR05, and H.-W. ? They can't be from Germany, then ... [8)] - former ComBloc, perhaps ???
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john black		#54 Posted : 19 November 2005 01:53:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by jonquinn <br /> ...the biggest piece of crap software ever unloaded on unsuspecting dupes, I mean CEOs
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5HorizonsRR		#55 Posted : 19 November 2005 02:04:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,991 Location: CA, USA		Buy Oracle! It means me staying employed and paying for my marklin!
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john black		#56 Posted : 19 November 2005 02:17:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		- whatever you say, John ...
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Webmaster		#57 Posted : 19 November 2005 02:18:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,165		SAP is indeed a factor to consider... There are examples of smaller companies who have gone bankrupt due to the fact that "we need SAP" is spoken at management level without understanding the underlying costs for implementation... Once you get SAP consultants onto your premises, you're doomed to pay a lot for it... Ericsson had immense costs, and the implementation took years... But they seem to have it under control now... (Might add that we often get to sell our Warehouse Management System also to those who have failed to get efficient warehouse logistics with SAP modules and are looooosing a lot of bucks - and we *do* deliver according to the project plans & price estimates... "Why did we not consult you first?" is one of the most common questions we get after yet another succesful project...) But since SAP is a German product, I guess it was out of the question to get anything "foreign" to make your business & logistics more efficient... No offense, but Germany seems to be rather "old-fashioned" regarding business... Funny that when someone mentions "SAP", everyone except CEO:s and such critters immediately sees problems, unnecessary costs and money flowing out of the company... Sometimes you really should listen to the technicians too...
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hmsfix		#58 Posted : 19 November 2005 02:21:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/02/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,383 Location: Darmstadt,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by john black <br /> But why then all this trouble with BR50, BR05, and H.-W. ? They can't be from Germany, then ... [8)] - former ComBloc, perhaps ??? Hi John, I don't know what's technical origin. It's a new technology, with new risks. The BR50 decoders are o.k. in the lab, I suppose, but something unforeseable happens to them under user conditions. Too easy to say: "this technology is not yet mature". Market pressure forces enterprises to bring new products and technologies to market in shorter and shorter time intervals. Looks nice in the advertisement, but we customers have to pay the bill. There are far more dramatic examples for this policy than Märklin in automotive, telecommunication, aviation industries. Bad enough to have a few such products (sigh!), but making company fate depend on that ? In my company, we call this management disease bull-sh**-zophrenia [}:)][}:)][}:)]. I hope Märklin won't do that but remember their classical strengths. Hans Martin
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Webmaster		#59 Posted : 19 November 2005 02:33:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,165		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by hmsfix Too easy to say: "this technology is not yet mature". The real problem is that you're taking "homebrew" technology and try to implement it in a harsh environment without considering the facts of eg momentary power loss, voltage spikes, low voltage conditions, noisy (electrically signal-wise) environment and such... The old M decoders are very tolerant, but stuff from ESU, Uhlenbrock and such has never been as "industrial" as the old M ones... It's just too bad that it seems the "industrial reliability" aspect of the decoders has disappeared and you settle for a kind of "household" type of electronics... Even the c90 is a rock compared to the offerings today...
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john black		#60 Posted : 19 November 2005 03:20:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Webmaster <br />we often get to sell our ... System Aha. I see - your company sells those nice machines the French Revolution used to send their enemies crossing Jordan ... [}:)]
		I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators. AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only. CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ... Outlaw Member of BIG JUHAN's OUTSIDER CLUB. With the most members, worldwide
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rschaffr		#61 Posted : 19 November 2005 03:56:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,181 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		And their "friends", too, John.
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tayloma		#62 Posted : 19 November 2005 13:07:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 156 Location: Boksburg East, Gauteng		Dear all I don't mean to be nasty but I have been an SAP consultant for 12 years. Please don't blame a Rolls Royce system for bad implementations run by money grabbing consultancies who employ people who have no idea about systems. How on earth can Auditing companies become IT system implementers?? I have worked with consultants that have completed the SAP academy after 5 weeks, managed to pass the certification exam and then know squat about implementing the system. The company I work for supports 15 implementations of SAP (incl. Aventis Synthelabo, Clariant and Dimension Data). Strange that with so many customers running such a crap system we NEVER need to work overtime and we are not on standby either...!? Please don't blame an IT system for downright bad management and arrogance! It is not the decision maker.
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David Dewar		#63 Posted : 19 November 2005 13:08:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,463 Location: Scotland		Lars ; Thanks for info regarding Heljan. Will keep a lookout over the next month or so. David
		Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
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nevw		#64 Posted : 19 November 2005 13:20:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by tayloma <br />Dear all I don't mean to be nasty but I have been an SAP consultant for 12 years. Please don't blame a Rolls Royce system for bad implementations run by money grabbing consultancies who employ people who have no idea about systems. How on earth can Auditing companies become IT system implementers?? I have worked with consultants that have completed the SAP academy after 5 weeks, managed to pass the certification exam and then know squat about implementing the system. The company I work for supports 15 implementations of SAP (incl. Aventis Synthelabo, Clariant and Dimension Data). Strange that with so many customers running such a crap system we NEVER need to work overtime and we are not on standby either...!? Please don't blame an IT system for downright bad management and arrogance! It is not the decision maker. THere is a lot of Software going under the generic title of SAP. This is just a genreic description . BUT remember Garbazge in Garbage out. The consulatant MUST become fully conversant of the Clients REqUIRED Outcomes. Unfortunately many consultants (1) Do not Listen (2). Have a preconceived Solution to the Clients Requiremants and the two do not meet. NEv
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jonquinn		#65 Posted : 19 November 2005 19:15:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,591 Location: Pennsylvania		SAP for metals and most other manufacturing companies = square peg into the round hole. speaking from experience as a materials engineer. absolutely worthless from my perspective as to finding out customer information (who has ordered what and when in the past), linking up with quality data,... hersheys chocolate is a pretty good company in the uSA I think. How then did the $ black hole called SAP manage to confound the entire inventory chain to the point where they missed easter deliveries a few years ago. I used a better system 15 years ago at US Steel that was probably even 5-10 years old back then and even today it would blow away SAP. SAP was designed for the chemical business - that is why they call parts, heats of metal, whatever, "batches". You must fit our system or you WILL fit our system. That ought to be the SAP motto. Rolls-royce I don't know, of course it (SAP) is overpriced too, can really do much (you wouldn't take it to the shopping mall or grocery store or haul home improvement supplied with it), outdated production methods,... but I still say from experience, its more like the YUGO of MRP systems.
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john black		#66 Posted : 21 November 2005 10:30:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Would anyone please tell me what the heck that "SAP" thing ?????? is all about ... [xx(]
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Piper		#67 Posted : 21 November 2005 11:57:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/09/2005(UTC) Posts: 262 Location: Johannesburg		John, Don't even ask. However it is a group of software programs from a German company SAP AG. They claim it can manage all business processes of any large organisation. Things like the payroll, human resources, general ledger, sales, production, stock, ordering etc. and it is all integrated. Call it the CS of business. The problem is that the 6021's and IB's can also do some of it or maybe most and maybe better. Just look at all that is said about IB vs. CS on this forum, now multiply that issues/problems and hype by 1 000 0000 and you will know what they have to deal with. Cheers Piper
		Era I-V / HO / C-Track / MS2, CS2 & CS3 Z gauge. Insider Member of Märklin Modellers Group
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David Dewar		#68 Posted : 21 November 2005 14:21:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,463 Location: Scotland		Is the SAP better than the CS and the IB for running trains? When will it be available and should we order now? John: Well done for asking what it was all about...I thought I was the only one who did not have a clue what everyone was talking about. David
		Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
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Guus		#69 Posted : 21 November 2005 15:19:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,616		Hi all, For those of you who are still interested in SAP,this is what I googled: http://sap.ittoolbox.com/pub/sap_overview.htm Let's wait and see who's the first to post a fitting meaning of SAP in the current fun topic Kind regards Guus
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john black		#70 Posted : 21 November 2005 15:25:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Piper <br />Call it the CS of business. Just look at all that is said about IB vs. CS on this forum, now multiply that issues/problems and hype by 1 000 0000 and you will know what they have to deal with Thanks Pieter. Since my knowledge about International Business is quite the same as about the weather on Mars - that's all I need to know. No wonder some countries' economies are struggling ... [xx(] David: I'll need a $ 400 000 000 loan for upgrading my CS with that SAP thingy from The Royal Bank of Scotland. If showing them CS' price tag - clearance o.k. by tomorrow morning ... ?? [}:)] Best Regards John
		I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators. AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only. CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ... Outlaw Member of BIG JUHAN's OUTSIDER CLUB. With the most members, worldwide
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steventrain		#71 Posted : 21 November 2005 15:41:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,697 Location: United Kingdom		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by john black David: I'll need an $ 400 000 000 loan for upgrading my CS with that SAP thingy from The Royal Bank of Scotland - clearance o.k. by tomorrow morning ... ?? [}:)] Best Regards John You mean $400 million [xx(]
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jeehring		#72 Posted : 21 November 2005 16:41:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		" However the personnel reduction 2004 cost 13 million euro " This Babelfish traduction means they have saved 13 Million E thanks to personnel reductions I presume ? --- Well....This report doesn't sound so tragically I guess Worrying but not tragic .
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Piper		#73 Posted : 21 November 2005 16:50:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/09/2005(UTC) Posts: 262 Location: Johannesburg		John, Noooooooo[B)] Rather buy yourself one of our neighbouring African countries it might be cheaper to maintain.(There might even be some railway system that you can fix) Everybody seem to forget to tell you that if things go wrong you have to spend another $400 million more on maintenance to try and get it right. Pieter
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David Dewar		#74 Posted : 22 November 2005 00:23:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,463 Location: Scotland		John : No problem with the cash from Royal Bank of Scotland. I think Lok shop are selling the new SAP for slightly less although postage is high because of the extra weight. David PS Royal was not my Bank so my pension should still be safe.
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hagstrom88		#75 Posted : 22 November 2005 00:25:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 38 Location: Ronninge, Stockholm		I have seen some pretty big men weep after installing SAP.. The company I worked for some years ago was mainly a subcontractor to IBM who just installed that thing. We couldnt get paid for 3 months... almost went bust. The funny thing is that they still could send out invoices. I heard tjat at P&G HQ in Asia - almost 30% of the staff left - they couldnt stand working with it. Someone put it this way "It's german - not human".
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Frostie		#76 Posted : 22 November 2005 02:15:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,614 Location: Birmingham,Alabama		SOFTWARE conversions are very difficult and you will go through huge turnover after it happens due to burnout. SAP is pretty good software, you just have to work through it, and it is very complex. ALL of the bie ERP systems like SAP PeopleSoft Oracle etc are so.
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Webmaster		#77 Posted : 22 November 2005 02:18:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,165		Can we get back to our regular program soon? Or aSAP?
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jonquinn		#78 Posted : 22 November 2005 03:54:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,591 Location: Pennsylvania		I don't think you would want SAP software in your CS, even if were possible. SAP is supposed to be an MRP (something like production planning/inventory control/quality reporting package). My company only uses it for production planning (production happening I say is more like it) and inventory control. SAP woudl require that you start calling your locomotives "batches", routes woudl be ZEPS, and you would loose track of what cars you have and even if it did list them, you wouldn't be able to get them on the track you wanted.
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rschaffr		#79 Posted : 22 November 2005 16:37:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,181 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		Any further news on the basic topic here? Any of our members in Germany seen anything further in the papers?
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Sander van Wijk		#80 Posted : 22 November 2005 17:30:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,248 Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands; Göteborg, Sverige,		Hi all, To get back on topic: All (Dutch) dealers have recieved an email containing information on the results of Märklin. In this mail they mention the fact that the Deutscher Verein Spielwarenindustrie forecasts bad results for big german toy companies like Zapf, Steiff and also Märklin due to demographic changes. Märklin states they are prepared to face this challenge. They confirm that, if Christmas sales are not as expected, 70 to 80 persons indirectly working for Märklin will be fired. There won't be any workers laid off this calender year. Let's all do our very best to support big M a little...
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rschaffr		#81 Posted : 22 November 2005 17:34:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,181 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		Thanks, Sander. I'm doing my part.
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Guus		#82 Posted : 22 November 2005 19:17:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,616		Thanks Sander, Won't be long before ordering my next item. Guus
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Timaximus		#83 Posted : 22 November 2005 19:37:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/06/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,412 Location: Home		We will try Sander. But I think at least 1 person can work 1 month longer with the purgases we make this Sint Nicolaas (holy man) and Christmas.
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john black		#84 Posted : 22 November 2005 20:39:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Sander van Wijk <br />Hi all ... let's all do our very best to support big M a little ... No problem at all. The more U.S. models they release the more I can buy
		I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators. AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only. CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ... Outlaw Member of BIG JUHAN's OUTSIDER CLUB. With the most members, worldwide
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rschaffr		#85 Posted : 22 November 2005 20:49:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,181 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		John: Like all those "American" 'gators in your yard?
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john black		#86 Posted : 23 November 2005 01:05:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Yeah, M was lucky. They're an exception I couldn't resist - NYC's long line of Gators
		I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators. AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only. CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ... Outlaw Member of BIG JUHAN's OUTSIDER CLUB. With the most members, worldwide
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Digitaltrains01		#87 Posted : 23 November 2005 04:50:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/11/2005(UTC) Posts: 3 Location: Roseburg, OR		I am new here. Just read the article. Not sure what to think about it. I have all Marklin digital HO locomotives. But I use Uhlebrock digital controllers, they are much superior to anything Marklin has made. It's my opinion Marklin needs to listen to it's customers and stop trying to scew them every chance they get. Watch out Marklin, Broadway Limited in the USA is going to give you a run for your money in both quality and new technology. Marklin is like General Motors in America, they had it too good for too long and become callus to change. When Wolkswagon came on the scene, GM just laughed and said no one would buy their cars, they did the same with Toyota, now look who's laughing and who's crying.
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Davy		#88 Posted : 23 November 2005 10:59:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,915 Location: Netherlands		It is not only Marklin. It is Roco and also Fleischmann is in trouble. If the three big ones in Europa go broke. There is not much left of our hobby in Europa. Only on internet sales our hobby can not survive.
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nevw		#89 Posted : 23 November 2005 11:06:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		I am doinfg my bit. Waiting for delivery of ordered items is a pain though. Nev[:p][^] Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Sander van Wijk <br />Hi all, year. Let's all do our very best to support big M a little...
		NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders and a hose pipe on the aorta Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
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Piper		#90 Posted : 23 November 2005 17:28:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/09/2005(UTC) Posts: 262 Location: Johannesburg		Originally posted by nevw <br />I am doinfg my bit. Waiting for delivery of ordered items is a pain though. Nev[:p][^] nevw is so right it is like pulling teeth waiting for the orders. I've ordered the CS September 2004, and some locos this year, it’s probably worth waiting. John don't you think a nice green MFX croc or gator with lots sounds will be great?
		Era I-V / HO / C-Track / MS2, CS2 & CS3 Z gauge. Insider Member of Märklin Modellers Group
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john black		#91 Posted : 23 November 2005 17:34:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Digitaltrains01 <br />I am new here Hi John - welcome to The Forum ! Have fun, John
		I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators. AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only. CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ... Outlaw Member of BIG JUHAN's OUTSIDER CLUB. With the most members, worldwide
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john black		#92 Posted : 23 November 2005 17:36:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Piper <br />John don't you think a nice green MFX croc or gator with lots sounds will be great ? Pieter, you're right. That's why we are here ...
		I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators. AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only. CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ... Outlaw Member of BIG JUHAN's OUTSIDER CLUB. With the most members, worldwide
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stephenbb		#93 Posted : 23 November 2005 18:32:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/11/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,836 Location: Trumbull, CT		I am certainly helping the cause. This year I purchased 18 items from M including car sets and engines. I have another six items which are still backordered. Some from o4 and one from 03 . Maybe if they were able to keep to their delivery schedule or not promise as many items we would all be happier..I am looking forward to hearing what the introductions will be at the toy fair next week. Stephen(USA)
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jeehring		#94 Posted : 23 November 2005 20:31:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		One third of the German retailers layout is actually disappearing according to recent forecasts . All companies have to do their best to go through the tempest [xx(]without causing too much damage.[B)]...Needs a skillful management ...[^] " every cloud has a silver lining " How did the old Lady went through three wars + many economic depressions ? BTW I don't think 2006 will be a great year for new items.... I just receive the confirmation of a new French Lok.....I do open a new topic for that.....
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steventrain		#95 Posted : 24 November 2005 00:22:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,697 Location: United Kingdom		Welcome to the forum Digitaltrains01.
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