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chon		#1 Posted : 17 November 2005 15:54:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/03/2004(UTC) Posts: 113 Location: Antwerp,		Hi, I want to upgrade two little steam locos with a new motor. The BR24 (M*3003) and the BR38 M*3099). Which high efficiency motor do you advice me ? Thanks,
		Chon
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franciscohg		#2 Posted : 17 November 2005 20:50:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,289 Location: Patagonia		The one that fits on it Ussually 3003 can be fitted with a 60903, or mfx equivallent. with 3099 should be the same. Now for the 3003 with the 60901 there is a slight problem with the screw of the bottom of the motor plate, it touch the wheel of the loco, so you have to polish the head of the screw to msake it fit.
		German trains era I-II and selected III, era depends on the mood, mostly Maerklin but i can be heretic if needed XD, heresy is no longer an issue.. LOL
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chon		#3 Posted : 18 November 2005 00:25:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/03/2004(UTC) Posts: 113 Location: Antwerp,		Hi Francisco, Thanks for the information. I'll try a 60903 for both. Is there any list published of the right "high efficiency motor" related to old 3xxx and 31xx locos ? I've a lot of them and want to upgrade some in the future. It's not clear for me when a 60901 is appropriate or not. Most lists are related to decoders, not to motors, and, honnestly, I don't see the differences. Thanks again
		Chon
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Maxi		#4 Posted : 18 November 2005 00:48:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 757 Location: Wawa, Ontario		This website has a list of locomotives which can be converted with the 60903 and 60904 kits. http://home.swipnet.se/perz/el.html
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chon		#5 Posted : 18 November 2005 01:15:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/03/2004(UTC) Posts: 113 Location: Antwerp,		Hi Matthew, Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Maxi <br />This website has a list of locomotives which can be converted with the 60903 and 60904 kits. http://home.swipnet.se/perz/el.html Very interesting site. Strangely, the two locos I mentioned are not included [:(]. Anyway, I trust Francisco and will follow his advice Once again, when you need assistance, there's only one address : Marklin-users.net
		Chon
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franciscohg		#6 Posted : 18 November 2005 04:50:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,289 Location: Patagonia		I have putted a 60903 on a 3003. now i'm at the hospital tomorrow i will post a picture of what is to be done. The lists ussually are for locos with no problems of conversion, when you have to do some little thing they did not appear.
		German trains era I-II and selected III, era depends on the mood, mostly Maerklin but i can be heretic if needed XD, heresy is no longer an issue.. LOL
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dudok12		#7 Posted : 18 November 2005 13:48:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/08/2004(UTC) Posts: 152 Location: Eindhoven,		I hope you did not end up in the hospital because you tried to convert the 3003... Please tell us how you converted the 3003 with the 60903. I would love to convert my old 3003 for my son. Thanks, Bernhard
		IB since 2000. Latest loc aquisition: 37554 BR 55 a long time ago...
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RayF		#8 Posted : 18 November 2005 14:18:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,854 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Is there any list published of the right "high efficiency motor" related to old 3xxx and 31xx locos ? try this on the US Marklin Website: http://www.marklin.com/tech/decodertable.html Remember the 60901, 60903, 60904 etc products include the motor parts as well as the decoder. Ray
		Ray Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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chon		#9 Posted : 18 November 2005 17:28:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/03/2004(UTC) Posts: 113 Location: Antwerp,		Hi Francisco and Ray, Francisco, I wish you an ICE-y or TGV-y recovery, hoping your hospitalization were a preventive measure without consequence for you. I'm looking forward for your detailed explanations. Thanks for the link, Ray. It looks like the one Matthew has sent. But do you know where the several notes in the last column are refering to ? I found no explanation of it.
		Chon
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Maxi		#10 Posted : 18 November 2005 23:22:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 757 Location: Wawa, Ontario		The missing footnotes are as follows (based on what was printed in the Marklin Magazine). (1) Later production of these and similar models were converted to drum commutator motors. (2) This model is indicated as suitable for conversion in the instructions to 60903, 60904. (3) This model requires extra effort for conversion. (4) This locomotive was tested by the author for conversion with 60903/4. (5) Vertical top screw required on brush plate. New models (e.g. 24 061 no. 30033) have a motor hood. It has not yet been possible to test these models. (6) The 60903 set will probably fit, since the locomotive frame is caomparable to 3034. Test fit the housing! (7) Decoder fits in turned posistion without milling. More recent examples of this class have drum commutator motors. (8) Eventually, the LED lighting may need to have its polarity reversed when connected.
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chon		#11 Posted : 19 November 2005 00:26:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/03/2004(UTC) Posts: 113 Location: Antwerp,		Thanks again, Matthew. It's really wonderful : you've a problem, you need assistance, you ask a question and someone there, member of marklin-users.net, has the answer. You're wonderful, guys, and, obviously, girls !
		Chon
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franciscohg		#12 Posted : 19 November 2005 00:33:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,289 Location: Patagonia		Hi, no, i'm just working at hospital like usual. Anyway here are the pictures of the 60903 kit on a 3003: Loco stripped out and fully cleaned: Screws that come with the 60903, original and polished one The original screw, touching the wheel and now, everything is ok Apart from that, the kit runs perfectly, i have no decoder yet, but the engine was tested with a DC source and runs like heaven. This weekend i will buy decoders and other stuff, so i hope to have a final result in a couple of weeks.
		German trains era I-II and selected III, era depends on the mood, mostly Maerklin but i can be heretic if needed XD, heresy is no longer an issue.. LOL
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steamfriend		#13 Posted : 19 November 2005 00:39:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/11/2002(UTC) Posts: 378 Location: Leuven, Belgiium		Very nice work, Fancisco ! Thanks for the hints, it makes me willing to convert my good old BR24 also... Bob
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hmsfix		#14 Posted : 19 November 2005 01:50:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/02/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,383 Location: Darmstadt,		Congratulations, this is a clean solution for old 3003! BTW, are all the BR 24 equiped with an SFCM and not with the more modern DCM motor ? In this case, the 60903 should always do with a BR 24. Hans Martin
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franciscohg		#15 Posted : 19 November 2005 01:58:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,289 Location: Patagonia		I don't know, perhaps newer ones have the DCM, in this case the 60901 kit should fit.
		German trains era I-II and selected III, era depends on the mood, mostly Maerklin but i can be heretic if needed XD, heresy is no longer an issue.. LOL
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chon		#16 Posted : 19 November 2005 01:59:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/03/2004(UTC) Posts: 113 Location: Antwerp,		Hi Francisco, Well, now I feel more comfortable. It's worth a try. You wait for your decoders and I for the motors Thanks a lot
		Chon
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franciscohg		#17 Posted : 19 November 2005 02:19:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,289 Location: Patagonia		So, the race begins....... who will be the first one to finish it? Certainly i will be beat, since you're much closer to the supliers than me[:(]
		German trains era I-II and selected III, era depends on the mood, mostly Maerklin but i can be heretic if needed XD, heresy is no longer an issue.. LOL
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john black		#18 Posted : 19 November 2005 02:58:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by franciscohg <br /> Loco, stripped by surgeon. Nice job, those parts look sterile, Francisco
		I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators. AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only. CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ... Outlaw Member of BIG JUHAN's OUTSIDER CLUB. With the most members, worldwide
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franciscohg		#19 Posted : 19 November 2005 03:39:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,289 Location: Patagonia
		German trains era I-II and selected III, era depends on the mood, mostly Maerklin but i can be heretic if needed XD, heresy is no longer an issue.. LOL
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rschaffr		#20 Posted : 19 November 2005 03:53:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,180 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		Marklin does make a screw with a reduced head like you created, Francisco. I think it is 756060. I bought a few for my parts drawer and used one in one of my conversion for this purpose.
		-Ron Digital, Epoch IV-V(K-track/CS3/6021Connect/60216051), Epoch III(C-track/6021/6036/6051) http://www.sem-co.com/~rschaffr/trains/trains.html
		WWW
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franciscohg		#21 Posted : 19 November 2005 03:59:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,289 Location: Patagonia		Thanks Ron, good to know, i think i will have the same trouble in some of my other old locos, it is always good to use original Marklin parts.....
		German trains era I-II and selected III, era depends on the mood, mostly Maerklin but i can be heretic if needed XD, heresy is no longer an issue.. LOL
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franciscohg		#22 Posted : 19 November 2005 16:24:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,289 Location: Patagonia		By the way, i was thinking on adding a seuthe unit to this loco. Can it be done? The plastic will have no harm?, i don't want my old loco (one of my father's originals) to be melted.
		German trains era I-II and selected III, era depends on the mood, mostly Maerklin but i can be heretic if needed XD, heresy is no longer an issue.. LOL
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franciscohg		#23 Posted : 03 January 2006 05:06:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,289 Location: Patagonia		Done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I finally have finished the conversion of this loc I have put a lokpilot 2.0 on it and.............great. The results are absolutely magnificent.
		German trains era I-II and selected III, era depends on the mood, mostly Maerklin but i can be heretic if needed XD, heresy is no longer an issue.. LOL
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orubias		#24 Posted : 03 January 2006 12:35:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/11/2004(UTC) Posts: 690 Location: Justo ahí		Congratulations, Francisco. Please keep us updated if you manage to fit a smoke unit on it. I have the same idea for one of mine, but also not sure on how to isolate the plastic case.
		Band on the run
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john black		#25 Posted : 03 January 2006 22:04:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Congratulations, Francisco
		I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators. AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only. CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ... Outlaw Member of BIG JUHAN's OUTSIDER CLUB. With the most members, worldwide
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