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chon		#1 Posted : 18 October 2005 15:47:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/03/2004(UTC) Posts: 113 Location: Antwerp,		Does anybody have information about a fire that has broken in the depot of Nürnberg ? At the news today, there were said that a lot of old and unique engines burned. An incalculable loss !
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rschaffr		#2 Posted : 18 October 2005 16:07:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,193 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		See http://www.v160.de/phoru...?3,12442,12442#msg-12442 and http://www.rp-online.de/...achrichten/journal/10949 Irreplacable losses. I am really depressed today. I'm sure glad we took a day trip to Nurnberg from Munich to see these old beauties in December 2003. At least i still have my pictures and memories. (Links courtesy of the MB&G)
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steventrain		#3 Posted : 18 October 2005 17:25:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,702 Location: United Kingdom		It is very sad and losses.[V]
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Sander van Wijk		#4 Posted : 18 October 2005 17:31:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,248 Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands; Göteborg, Sverige,		Wow... this really sucks. This museum was on my wishlist to visit, guess I'm too late now.
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franciscohg		#5 Posted : 18 October 2005 17:55:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,298 Location: Patagonia		Horrible, really a bad feeling to see those pictures.....
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rschaffr		#6 Posted : 18 October 2005 18:16:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,193 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		My son and I will be in Nurnberg this December. We were planning to revisit the museum. Guess that's out, now.
		-Ron Digital, Epoch IV-V(K-track/CS3/6021Connect/60216051), Epoch III(C-track/6021/6036/6051) http://www.sem-co.com/~rschaffr/trains/trains.html
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Tony		#7 Posted : 18 October 2005 18:25:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/09/2004(UTC) Posts: 726 Location: Cape Town		Man!! [:0][:0] What an absolute shame [:(!][:(!]
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steventrain		#8 Posted : 18 October 2005 19:02:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,702 Location: United Kingdom		The small engine 1935 adler among there. See the Adler links http://www.germanembassy...ews03/apr%5Cpg16-17.html
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chon		#9 Posted : 18 October 2005 19:11:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/03/2004(UTC) Posts: 113 Location: Antwerp,		Let us hope they can reconstruct some of those engines. Anyway, some were already copies of original ones, no ?
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DasBert33		#10 Posted : 18 October 2005 19:19:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/01/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,275		I hope too they can restore some of them. One would think an all metal steamloco can be repainted, so that it at least looks as it was before. I fear the worst for the diesels and the electrics though... They are less though than an iron workhorse Bert
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Guus		#11 Posted : 18 October 2005 19:31:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,616		This is shocking news.Does anyone know how many locs are damaged and what type they are? This museum was on my wishlist too Guus
		Kind regards, Guus
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verheyen		#12 Posted : 18 October 2005 19:47:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/01/2004(UTC) Posts: 639 Location: ,		Definitely lost were: 01 150 23 105 38 2884 45 010 50 622 86 457 89 837 V60 150 V80 002 V100 1023 V100 2023 V200 002 E19 12 E52 34 E71 19 E75 09 Adler-Zug There is video, in German, at <http://www.tagesschau.de/sendun..._PLYinternal_NAV,00.html>. More pictures at the Nürnberger Nachrichten <http://www.nordbayern.de/thema.asp?thema=37&man=3>. p.
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Webmaster		#13 Posted : 18 October 2005 20:30:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,165		The museum itself is not hit, but the depot in another part of town where working loks were parked...
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Oscar		#14 Posted : 18 October 2005 21:31:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/11/2003(UTC) Posts: 783 Location: ,		None of the engines who where in the fire can ever be restored. They will probably have to be scrapped on-site, where they are now. They cannot even be towed somewhere else. I don't know much about the history of German steam engines, but the diesels and electrics I am very fond of. The loss of the V80 and the E-locs, especially, seems tragic. Thankfully, there are other V100 and V200 locos around in good condition, if I recall correctly. What a shame, such a loss. I wonder what caused it.
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verheyen		#15 Posted : 18 October 2005 21:48:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/01/2004(UTC) Posts: 639 Location: ,		Report has it roofers were at work... Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Oscar <br />What a shame, such a loss. I wonder what caused it.
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Webmaster		#16 Posted : 18 October 2005 23:09:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,165		These were not at that location Bay. S 2/6 (15 001) 05 001 38 2884 E19 12
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Sander van Wijk		#17 Posted : 19 October 2005 00:30:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,248 Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands; Göteborg, Sverige,		What a luck! (If you can call it luck) Take for example the S 2/6, there was only one of these machines build... Anyway, it's horrible to see what happened to all these great pieces of history and restoration work.
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steventrain		#18 Posted : 19 October 2005 01:01:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,702 Location: United Kingdom		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Webmaster <br />These were not at that location Bay. S 2/6 (15 001) 05 001 38 2884 E19 12 What a lucky escape,The 05 001 was very lucky.
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Gert-Jan		#19 Posted : 19 October 2005 23:57:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/04/2005(UTC) Posts: 777 Location: Netherlands		The biggest one of them all, the BR 45, seems lost [xx(].
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Webmaster		#20 Posted : 20 October 2005 00:06:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,165		BR45 was unfortunately one of the victims...[:(][xx(]
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viragoLDR		#21 Posted : 20 October 2005 00:26:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2005(UTC) Posts: 703 Location: ,		Seems the loco of the Adler set is at least salvagable. The cars they can rebuild, but still a shame to lose something like that
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verheyen		#22 Posted : 20 October 2005 03:55:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/01/2004(UTC) Posts: 639 Location: ,		Here's a grim overview of the whole thing... p.
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steventrain		#23 Posted : 20 October 2005 12:30:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,702 Location: United Kingdom		Are the insuance cover all the loss?
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Zora la rousse		#24 Posted : 22 October 2005 13:07:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/10/2005(UTC) Posts: 856 Location: ,		For the Dutch speaking people —> http://forum.macosx.nl/v...opic.php?p=771733#771733
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jonquinn		#25 Posted : 22 October 2005 19:01:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,591 Location: Pennsylvania		I think chance of restoration of steamers would depend on how hot the fire heated the boilers up to - if the boiler plate lost its temepr and became too soft then they would have to be scrapped most likely. the sheet metal on the electrics and diesels would not be as critical - maybe some heat buckles and physical damage. its all question of money.
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hmsfix		#26 Posted : 03 November 2005 00:38:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/02/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,383 Location: Darmstadt,		Was on a business trip to Nürnberg today and passed the destructed lok depot. Huh, what a horrible picture. The images in the newspapers and on the web are unable to give a true impression on that giantic hill of scrap that I saw. I am pessimistic that they can save or rework anything that was in the depot. Fortunately I also saw the BR 38 on a side track. Not damaged as it seems. Hans Martin
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