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Offline Gert-Jan  
#1 Posted : 06 September 2005 00:48:09(UTC)
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Does anyone know a link for a bigger picture of my Märklin first and all time favorite BR 89 ???

Any real life pictures, preferably old...bigger than this one below would be nice

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Thanks in advance!
Mosty era III DB.
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Offline MärCo  
#2 Posted : 06 September 2005 00:54:30(UTC)
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That is difficult because 89 is not actually a class. The number 89 is used for various types of small steam locomotives. The picture of your 89 is the newest one.
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Offline MärCo  
#3 Posted : 06 September 2005 01:08:18(UTC)
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From which only 10 were build, see also —>

http://www.dlok.de/112.htm
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Offline PierreGILLARD  
#4 Posted : 06 September 2005 02:20:45(UTC)
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Any idea of actual colours ?
It seems there are some differences with # 3000.
Thanks for the picture.
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Offline verheyen  
#5 Posted : 06 September 2005 03:19:31(UTC)
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Color photos of 89 008 can be found at http://home.arcor.de/k.wuestermann/vorbild/node62.html and http://home.arcor.de/rolf.runge...89008/04-Lok89008-01.htm. The engine is black with red frame, drivers, ... The usual.

What's funny about this engine and Märklin is that it never existed as a DB engine having spent it's life in the East, with most of the 10 engines going to Poland and the PKP. Fleischmann makes a nicely, and correctly, detailed model for those who don't want to do it themselves.

Kurt Miska has a nice history of the engine on his website http://www-personal.umich.edu/~khmiska/BR%2089.htm.

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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by PierreGILLARD
<br />Any idea of actual colours ?
It seems there are some differences with # 3000.
Thanks for the picture.
Pierre.


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Offline franciscohg  
#6 Posted : 06 September 2005 05:21:38(UTC)
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Nice, nice picture of this little loco that i think we all love
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Offline Jacques D.  
#7 Posted : 06 September 2005 09:34:19(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by verheyen
<br /> Fleischmann makes a nicely, and correctly, detailed model for those who don't want to do it themselves.


Hi,

The Fleischmann is very nice indeed and - unusual for Fleischmann - the body is diecast (while the Märklin is plastic!). Unfortunately the Fleischmann does not exist in AC-version and it seems rather difficult to convert the DC-version to AC (imho not enough space for the slider - anybody any suggestions?)

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Offline Gert-Jan  
#8 Posted : 06 September 2005 13:58:42(UTC)
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Offline steventrain  
#9 Posted : 06 September 2005 15:59:10(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Gert-Jan
<br />Great pictures on http://www.ascher-transporte.de...rchiv/gueter/gueter.html




I like the link,it was great pictures of locomotives!
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Offline klinge-germany  
#10 Posted : 06 September 2005 17:35:07(UTC)
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as mentioned earlier, the class 89 was not a DB engine as it has been since nearly 50 years as M model. Another 'basic' M model has a similar history (if i remember it correctly), the class 81 (3031/3032), which is in my 'collection' the backbone of the shunting 'team' because of its Telex couplers. Perhaps someone here knoes it more exactly.
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Offline verheyen  
#11 Posted : 06 September 2005 19:18:43(UTC)
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The BR81 was a four-axle variant of the BR80 which Kurt Miska describes at http://www.worldrailfans.org/Articles/Europe/GBR80.shtml. There's a schematic at http://www.dlok.de/106.htm. Note that only 10 were ever built.

In German from the Hessen Courrier http://www.hessencourrier.de/hc-info3.htm:
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Die Baureihe 81 ist als Rangierlokomotive für die Deutsche Reichsbahn Gesellschaft entwickelt worden. Es wurden 1927 zehn Exemplare bei der Lokomotivfabrik Hanomag gebaut. Der Bau von 60 weiteren Lokomotiven war geplant, wurde jedoch durch den Kriegsausbruch nicht verwirklicht. Im Einheitslokprogramm der DRG waren auch Rangierlokomotiven vorgesehen, so konnten Einzelteile anderer Baureihen auch für die Baureihe 81 verwendet werden, was die Ersatzteilhaltung vereinfachte. Die 81 004 wurde 1963 ausgemustert und sollte nach USA gebracht werden. Es scheiterte jedoch an den hohen Frachtkosten. Nach längerer Standzeit an verschiedenen Orten in Deutschland, fand sie einen Platz als Denkmallok in Marienhafe. Seit 1988 zeigte der Verein HESSENCOURRIER Interesse an dieser Lok. Es ist geplant im Jahr 1999 mit der Aufarbeitung zu beginnen, dabei werden wir überlegen, einzelne Baugruppen eventuell auch in auswärtigen Werkstätten aufarbeiten zu lassen.


The Verein Historische Eisenbahn Frankfurt e. V once had an 81 (1001) which they used to pull railfan trips, but ended up having to sell it. The number "1001" never existed in the prototype. There are pictures at http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/de/steam/81/pix.html.

In terms of it's history, I was able to find the following at http://www.werkbahn.de/eisenbah...okbau/museum/pres_km.htm.

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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Saargruben AG, Kokerei Reden "36" (07.1970 vh) /1980 Historische Eisenbahn Frankfurt/Main HEF ""81 1001"" (07.1993 vh) /199x Museums-Eisenbahn-Club Losheim MECL, Losheim (04.2002, 04.2003 vh)


This seems to indicate that that particular engine was used as an industrial switcher in the west. Dingler, a maker of finescale models (much more likely to be prototypically correct them Märklin) offers the 81 in 1 and 0 with the DB "keks." Their website is at http://www.dingler.de/. Fleishmann also makes an h0 model in DRG livery.

I love my Märklin model for the same reasons, and it too is my main shunter because of the telex, but I also just like the sturdy looks.

p.

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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by klinge-germany
<br />as mentioned earlier, the class 89 was not a DB engine as it has been since nearly 50 years as M model. Another 'basic' M model has a similar history (if i remember it correctly), the class 81 (3031/3032), which is in my 'collection' the backbone of the shunting 'team' because of its Telex couplers. Perhaps someone here knoes it more exactly.
Alfred
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Offline hmsfix  
#12 Posted : 06 September 2005 22:28:41(UTC)
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Hi Peter,

very interesting sites on the BR 81 and BR 89. Last summer I visited that museum railway in Losheim, with lok No. 34 in action. It is very similar to the BR 81. This machine has been in service of the former Röchling Werke Völklingen/Saar, Germany (today: Völklingen Saarstahl), shunting ore and coal trains.

Have made a few photos. You will find some minor details that are different from other surviving loks of this type, but if I remember right, Lok 34 has not been made by Henschel (as the other BR 81s) but by Krauss Maffei (not quite sure about that)

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Concerning the BR 89, I have done some paintwork with it. I suppose Märklin didn't do that in order to keep costs low for a typical starter product. I painted the red stripes on the valve gear. Also the air and water tanks got some red paint. Now it looks as if it was recently reworked in the lok yard.

Hans Martin

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Offline verheyen  
#13 Posted : 07 September 2005 05:42:43(UTC)
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Just checked my BR 81 and it's 81 003, so entirely plausible as a DB model. The last one was retired in '63 or '64 I believe so the DB Keks would fit, no?

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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by klinge-germany
<br />as mentioned earlier, the class 89 was not a DB engine as it has been since nearly 50 years as M model. Another 'basic' M model has a similar history (if i remember it correctly), the class 81 (3031/3032), which is in my 'collection' the backbone of the shunting 'team' because of its Telex couplers. Perhaps someone here knoes it more exactly.
Alfred
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Offline klinge-germany  
#14 Posted : 07 September 2005 14:32:21(UTC)
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thank you Peter for the links, i will have a look into my library on the weekend, perhaps i find some more information. The funny thing for me is, that two 'big sellers' of M fitted as era 3 locos (the 89 and the 81) were either not active within the DB (89) or had an early retirement. Where are the real shunting steamers of era 3, f.e. class 82 or class 94 ? I know that class 50 and 55 were used for shunting purposes, i know that Piko had (or has) a class 82 and Fleischmann a 94, but i would like one of M.....
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Offline john black  
#15 Posted : 08 September 2005 01:08:37(UTC)
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Beautyful work on the loco, Hans Martin - very nice diorama, too ... Smile

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Offline MärCo  
#16 Posted : 10 September 2005 22:56:43(UTC)
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Postcard from my own collection

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#17 Posted : 12 November 2005 23:28:20(UTC)
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Please resize your pictures to a maximum width of 640 px before posting them.

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Offline franciscohg  
#18 Posted : 12 November 2005 23:45:12(UTC)
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Yes, it is a great picture, but what is the point if you cannot see it complete at one time?
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