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Offline mike c  
#1 Posted : 23 February 2009 08:48:12(UTC)
mike c

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In one of the other threads, there has been a lot of discussion about the various models of the Ae 6/6 after I had posted a comment that the Swiss Crest on the front of the Maerklin Kanton Loks was not prototypically correct.
I also noted that the Roco Ae 610 Cargo (Erstfeld) comes with the Crest from the Kanton series, which can be identified by the larger brass plate around the crest itself. The same mistake can also be found on Fleischmann's new N scale model. The announced new Kanton Lok model from Fleischmann should have the correct crest.
There were a few photos posted in the thread, which instigated a few comments about which model had the best crest.
There are two main versions of the Ae 6/6, the Kanton Lok (11401-11425) and the Staedte (City) Loks (11426-11520). The Kanton Loks can be identified by the chrome stripes and the larger crest plate. The City Loks have a crest with less chrome that is similar to the Re 4/4II and Re 6/6.
The prototype Ae 6/6 (11401-11402) had some differences from the rest of the series, but not in ways that pertain to this post. 11401-11426 were equipped with dual lights between the windows, the rest of the loks with only one. Since the late 1980s, the dual lights have been removed from most of the Loks in order to make room for the UIC socket. Additionally, the loks were equipped with a step adjacent to the right buffer and a railing to facilitate access to the UIC connection. (This UIC connector was also installed on most SBB and Swiss Loks).

The models of the Ae 6/6 may also have slightly different colors (roof, buffers, plow, etc, depending on which era the model is from).
So, all this accounts for the differences between the various models of the Ae 6/6.

The Ae 6/6 is one of the most reproduced models of Swiss locomotives. Versions of this lok have been available from Maerklin, Hag, Fleischmann, Roco, Lima, Kleinbahn, Lemaco and many others.
If you are interested in more information, Loki Magazine recently released a special edition (in German) (Loki Spezial 29 Faszination Ae 6/6)
http://www.loki.ch/custom/shop/index.php3
or www.roundhouse.ch and other dealers.

I cannot say that I have one preferred model of this lok, as each model has it's advantages and shortcomings. Maerklin and Hag have painted chrome stripes and lettering, Roco has molded chrome and lettering (raised). Maerklin had the green tinted windows on some models and Roco models have a two tone roof (I am not certain that all Ae 6/6s had this feature.)
I guess that the final preference is up to the modeller.

If somebody could explain the exact function of the "Falschfahrlicht" (Red light between the windows), it would be appreciated.

Regards

Mike C
Offline Guus  
#2 Posted : 23 February 2009 09:43:01(UTC)
Guus

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Hi Mike,

Thanks for your extensive report on the Ae 6/6.

The "Falschfahrlicht" or more correctly "Fahrberechtigungssignal" has been discussed on the HAG forum:

Falschfahrlicht

The hard to be found LOKI # 19 is also an excellent source for information on the Ae 6/6.

Kind regards
Guus
Kind regards,
Guus
Offline river6109  
#3 Posted : 23 February 2009 14:05:17(UTC)
river6109

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Mike,
Kanton & City Locos:

Is it a norm that city locos are red and Kanton locos are green ?
and if so, why ?
If I'm correct, the end red light, not between windows, is for solo travel ?
And what has been the reason behind the numbering of the city and Kanton locos ?
I have 2 earlier Ae 6/6 Märklin locos 3350, 3332.
and than 3636, 3638, 3737, 3739,
2 x @ SBB Re 460, @ BLS 465,
2 x Roco Ce 6/8 Crocodiles, and 1 Märklin 3652 Crocodile.
and 4 Re 6/6 from Roco, 1x red, 1x green, 1 cargo, 1 VSL (Swiss loco driver club).
Another abnormality I've noticed with co-co locos, BR 194, BR 103 and Ae 6/6 for instance the motorbogy has its center axle raised slightly. Why I've got no idea.
You may have not noticed this, but when you look closer, a.) you'll finsd the wheel itself has not been touched and b.) when placing it on a flat surface you can slide a piece of paper under it.

On an other topic I've exchanged the light with the led's module.
(Ae 6/6) and a Roco silent slider.




John
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Offline jvuye  
#4 Posted : 23 February 2009 15:09:36(UTC)
jvuye

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I must say that my favorites are still the Marklin version(s), closely followed by HAG's.
I even like the "short" ones 3050, etc. but that is essentially emotional...because they meant so much to me when I was a kid!
The Falschfahrlicht (red on top, in the middle) indicates that the train is running on the "wrong" (falsch) track. In Switzerland that means on the track to the right side of the right of way.
This special identification was needed so that at night, the personel would know the status of that incoming train, since signals were normally installed on the other side.
It was also indispensable for track workers to see that the incoming train was on the side were they would normally have moved for an incoming convoy.
In today's RR this is no longer used very often with the interlocked signalisation and banalisation of the main lines ("Banalisation" means that regular operation can be performed on either track in any direction. It implies basically that all signals and related track apparatus are doubled)
Hope this helps.
Jacques Vuye aka Dr.Eisenbahn
Once a vandal, learned to be better and had great success!
Offline river6109  
#5 Posted : 23 February 2009 15:12:20(UTC)
river6109

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Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square
I've noticed this on SBB videos and i thought, hang on what's going on here, they're travelling on the wrong side.
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Offline Guus  
#6 Posted : 23 February 2009 15:19:23(UTC)
Guus

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John,

Maybe you know this already, however just to be sure, Swiss trains normally drive on the left side.
Inherited from the English when the Swiss people started building and operating their railway system with the help of the English engineers and constructors.

Kind regards
Guus
Kind regards,
Guus
Offline river6109  
#7 Posted : 23 February 2009 15:34:47(UTC)
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Offline Unholz  
#8 Posted : 23 February 2009 16:17:41(UTC)
Unholz

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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by river6109
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Is it a norm that city locos are red and Kanton locos are green ?
and if so, why ?


No, this is not true. Originally, all 120 Ae 6/6 were painted green. In the 1980's, the SBB started to paint the Ae 6/6 red, and a number of them (canton and city locos) received the red livery. Later, some units received the blue/red "Cargo" paint job.

Thus, nowadays you can see a mix of green, red, and "Cargo" locos, some of them cantons, some cities.
Offline bmcrae  
#9 Posted : 23 February 2009 19:03:48(UTC)
bmcrae

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Location: Okanagan Valley, BC
Hi all. Great topic Mike, on easily one of my favorite locomotives of all time! Thanks for the info.

One of the gentlemen on Stefan's HAG forum has now reached the total of FIFTY-ONE Ae 6/6's!! (with no end in sight) [:p][:p][:p]
Offline mike c  
#10 Posted : 24 February 2009 01:04:51(UTC)
mike c

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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by river6109
Another abnormality I've noticed with co-co locos, BR 194, BR 103 and Ae 6/6 for instance the motorbogie has its center axle raised slightly. Why I've got no idea.
You may have not noticed this, but when you look closer, a.) you'll find the wheel itself has not been touched and b.) when placing it on a flat surface you can slide a piece of paper under it.


You can find this on many models of loks that have powered wheels so close together. The middle wheel is slightly smaller and may also have a different flange. This is so that the bogie or lok can turn on the tight radii normally used for model trains. If it did not have this feature, the lok would be prone to derailments.

A very visible example of this type of solution is the Classic Maerklin Crocodile model being rereleased this year.

Regards

Mike C
Offline steventrain  
#11 Posted : 24 February 2009 22:59:29(UTC)
steventrain

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Very nice collection, Lutz.
Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
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